Indian Role in Afghanistan

[Neo]

Durand Line was indeed the border disput but the old treaty was between the Afghan and British Crownes and it officially expired on 12 November 1993.

 

[Neo]

Regarding CIA's covert war in Afghanistan, please also check the other thread I posted earlier:

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...zation-afghanistan-aimed-ussr.html#post870672

 

[bose]

No, you are paying for your proxy war in Afghanistan.

India does not need to build hospitals and roads for paying for a proxy war... there are better means for higher returns in proxy war...

If you get a chance to read Noble Laureate Tagore's story on KABULIWALLA which he wrote some more than 75 years back... that will give you some hindsight...

Please tell me, if the Soviets had annexed Afghanistan in say 1981/82, would India have recognised it as part of USSR?

Never...

 

[Neo]

Pakistan too has spent $250 million in Afghanistan building roads connecting major cities, The Jinnah University in Kabul and the Allama Iqbal Faculty of University of Arts in Kabul.

 

[Blackwater]

Pakistan too has spent $250 million in Afghanistan building roads connecting major cities, The Jinnah University in Kabul and the Allama Iqbal Faculty of University of Arts in Kabul.

They r for Taliban ,as u said after amrikans gone they will convert into Taliban head quater

 

[Haman10]

I don't understand pakistan's policy in afghanistan , in any manner pakistan should never forget the fact that afghanistan is a subtle redline for iran . Cross it and deal with our Army . If iran let US attack afghanistan without any consequences , it was for a simple fact that taliban is much more dangerous for iran than US

 

[Neo]

I don't understand pakistan's policy in afghanistan , in any manner pakistan should never forget the fact that afghanistan is a subtle redline for iran . Cross it and deal with our Army . If iran let US attack afghanistan without any consequences , it was for a simple fact that taliban is much more dangerous for iran than US

First of all Pak-Iran are friendly neighbors sans border dispute, even after the fall of Shah we have maintained cordial relations with eachother. We will never go to war.

During Soviet invasion Iran closed the borders with Afghanistan and took very little refugees compared to Pakistan's 5 million.
The Mujhahideen and later Taliban were trained in Pakistan by CIA, MI5 and ISI so naturally we have been dragged more into this conflict than any other neighbor and the world powers expected us to deal with Afghanistan after they defeated. USSR.

It's not different this time, even US doesn't see Taliban as a threat and has converted backdoor diplomacy into direct talks.
Our task is to stabalise Afghanistan and if she goes to civil war we'll once again side with the Pashtum majorty and help Taliban.

Iran's support to Syria and Southern Iraq is more dangerous than Taliban since both have powerful terrorist arms aimed at Israel where as the Taliban have broken ties with Al Qaeda.

 

[MLRS]

Our task is to stabalise Afghanistan and if she goes to civil war we'll once again side with the Pashtum majorty and help Taliban.

This is the root of Afghanistan's current troubles.

 

[Neo]

This is the root of Afghanistan's current troubles.

No, the root of your trouble is ethnic devide which is creating problems for the neighbors.
Your country has become an international stage of multiple proxy wars because you are weak and devided.

 

[The Messiah]

Iran's support to Syria and Southern Iraq is more dangerous than Taliban since both have powerful terrorist arms aimed at Israel where as the Taliban have broken ties with Al Qaeda.

LMAO time to wake up and smell the coffee :ranger:

 

[MLRS]

No, the root of your trouble is ethnic devide which is creating problems for the neighbors.

You can build a high wall on the Durand line if you don't like us. However, pakistan wants to turn us into a fifth province and govern it by proxy through Islamabad.

As Nawaz Sharif proudly said, shortly after the fall of the communist government, "you gave up Dhaka, we took Kabul".

 

[Haman10]

First of all Pak-Iran are friendly neighbors sans border dispute, even after the fall of Shah we have maintained cordial relations with eachother. We will never go to war.

During Soviet invasion Iran closed the borders with Afghanistan and took very little refugees compared to Pakistan's 5 million.
The Mujhahideen and later Taliban were trained in Pakistan by CIA, MI5 and ISI so naturally we have been dragged more into this conflict than any other neighbor and the world powers expected us to deal with Afghanistan after they defeated. USSR.

It's not different this time, even US doesn't see Taliban as a threat and has converted backdoor diplomacy into direct talks.
Our task is to stabalise Afghanistan and if she goes to civil war we'll once again side with the Pashtum majorty and help Taliban.

Iran's support to Syria and Southern Iraq is more dangerous than Taliban since both have powerful terrorist arms aimed at Israel where as the Taliban have broken ties with Al Qaeda.

Look buddy I never said we are going to war . I never ever support any war specially with our neighbors .

About iran's support for syria and iraqi govt. Well they are both internationlly recognized govt.s.

Whereas pakisran supports ISIS , TALIBAN , jebhat al-nusra and other AL-QAEDA crap

So my friend , whether you're blind to see the huge flaws in your country or you're too nationalist to see them

This is not the first time I see a pakistani support israel . Take into consideration that iran is only enemies with israel because of palestine .

So if you don't believe in it , I hardly find you a muslim

Let's compare security in iran and pakistan ! Iran is the most safe country in ME whereas in pakistan its abnormal not to see a bombing eachday

The message you should receive is quite simple !

Supporting taliban and al-qaeda is back firing on you

 

[Kshatriya87]

Won't the Pakistan government have a problem with us building Chabahar Port?

 

[Neo]

You totally missed my point and started playing blame game like an average Indian.
I explained why we are stuck with Taliban and how the situation now is not very different from 1989 when Afghanistan came out a war and got sucked in in a power vacuum.

The comparison that Iran supports Assad regime is merely to show that every country puts her interests first.
Asad's regime may be internationally recognised, he's found guilty for a genocide; humdreds of thousands of innocent civilians including children have died and its not hard to tell difference between right and wrong. So please cut the I am holier than thou crap and don't judge who is a muslim or not because that is the biggest problem of muslim countries.

Thank God indeed that Iran is a safe country and not targeted by terrorist groups yet.

 

[Neo]

Won't the Pakistan government have a problem with us building Chabahar Port?

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No, from our pov the development of Chahbahar is only going to boost the development and help us increase quality and effeciency due fair competition.
Gwadar is being developped for the Chinese market which is probably twenty times bigger than the rest of CAR combined. Any trade with CAR is welcome but our main market will be China. Chahbahar is no threat to Sino-Pak trade.

 

[Neo]

India-Pakistan-Iran pipeline remains the most viable option
Mar 6, 2014 , By Sandeep Dikshit


Despite the Foreign Office emphasising that India was looking for an undersea route to source gas from Iran, bypassing Pakistan in the process, reliable sources here maintained that the India-Pakistan-Iran (IPI) "Peace Pipeline" still remained on the drawing board and was the most viable option.

Following talks between Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif and External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid last week, official sources suggested that one important subject, which was also discussed with the Oman Foreign Minister the same day, was the revival of an undersea pipeline project. Official sources suggested that this pipeline, which would bypass Pakistan, was now technically feasible after the success of the North Sea undersea pipeline.

If Iran was looking at the cheapest way to get gas to customers, it would prefer European customers. But what Iran had in mind was providing spillover benefits of the surface pipeline to the region it passes through, especially the Makran Plateau common to both Pakistan and Iran and where poverty has fuelled subversive tendencies.

And, the sources suggested that the future of the IPI pipeline was entwined with the Chah-bahar port as Iran was keen to ensure that this town and the surrounding region of Sistan-Baluchistan Province also gained from the availability of gas. The benefits will cross the border as development of industry due to availability of energy would give more employment opportunities to Pakistani youth. Interestingly, this is India's approach too. Its officials began two days of talks with their Pakistani counterparts here on Wednesday on exporting electricity.

Just 72 km from the Pakistani port of Gwadar being built with Chinese help, the first phase of developing the Chah-bahar port is nearly over. The Union Cabinet has already earmarked $100 millions for the development of the port in anticipation of Iran agreeing to involve India in developing the port as well as utilising a north-bound route that enters into Afghanistan and Central Asia.

India and Iran have held several rounds of talks on sharing operations and developing the port. After the latest conversation between the Iranian and Indian Foreign Ministers, official sources said Tehran will get back before Nauroz holidays (Persian New Year) with answers to queries raised. But the next government will have to work on several other fronts before Iran agrees to give India access to a port that faces the open sea unlike the bigger Iranian port of Bandar Abbas which is in the Persian Gulf.

Iranian Foreign Minister as well as other interlocutors have indicated that Iran is in no hurry to get the money back, held up due to sanctions by the US and the European Union. It would want this money, even if it accumulates further, to be utilised as export credit for some big ticket joint venture projects, possibly even a refinery at Chah-bahar which is just 900 km away from Gujrat's Mundhra Port.

The biggest problem is despite deep energy and civilisational links, India and Iran are unfamiliar with each other's processes and systems of doing business in other areas. "India does business with the West and so does Iran. But they are unfamiliar with the business situation in the other country. They don't know how to work together," acknowledged an official.

India-Pakistan-Iran pipeline remains the most viable option - The Hindu: Mobile Edition

 

[janme]

Won't the Pakistan government have a problem with us building Chabahar Port?

No why would they have a problem??
Chabhar port is in Iran and not in Pakistan.

 

[Kshatriya87]

No why would they have a problem??
Chabhar port is in Iran and not in Pakistan.

Due to the proximity of the port to Pakistan? What if we decide to set up a small Naval base there?

 

[janme]

Due to the proximity of the port to Pakistan? What if we decide to set up a small Naval base there?

Pakistan can only protest but that would hardly matter to us.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Due to the proximity of the port to Pakistan? What if we decide to set up a small Naval base there?

Naval bases I don't think so ..... but India has an observation post in Oman.

On the opposite side we have Chahabar port. India has considerable presence there.