Indian nuclear submarines

[Gessler]

No Arihant class may ever be converted to SSN/SSGN duty because of the under powered reactor

We will see about that.

and not enough second strike capability even with the larger boomers especially with our puny warheads period.

First of all, what is "enough" second-strike capability? Is there some benchmark number? Who has given these numbers? Who exactly knows how many warheads we have? What kind of MIRVs we're developing?

Definitely it's neither you nor me.

It are the people who know the correct answers to these questions that determine what constitutes as "enough" second-strike capability.

If it is true then it is a good news . Well Russians might not help us as it will violate NPT even in 2000 they might have helped us only in the core geometry of the Ok-650 for us to miniaturize.It is highly optimistic for us to expect them to help us in it after we sucked up to west . All these may be a big " if "

Only way we're gonna make that 190Mw-rated PWR, is with Russian help. Ofcourse they won't do anything violating their treaties, but a workaround is always there. No-one is going to transfer the core technologies to us, those IPRs will remain with the Russians.

Well who said we are looking for 5000t SSNs

Who said we're not? You will see that regardless of whether we go for French or Russian-type designs, the SSN class we'll be building will be in the region of 5,000 tons displacement.

What is known is that they'll be smaller than the Arihant for sure. Smaller, lighter, faster & harder to detect. A true hunter-killer.

all these are in realm of speculation. India should build upon the 971 and the OK 650 reactor of the subs it has operated upon not some midget french SSN.

By what measure of naval warfare is a 5,000-ton nuclear submarine considered a midget?

WTF does this mean ?????????????????????????????????????

It means that what YOU want is vastly different from what IN wants.

 

[warrior monk]

First of all, what is "enough" second-strike capability? Is there some benchmark number? Who has given these numbers? Who exactly knows how many warheads we have? What kind of MIRVs we're developing?

Definitely it's neither you nor me.

It are the people who know the correct answers to these questions that determine what constitutes as "enough" second-strike capability.

Nobody knows but due to the lack of testing our warheads have low YTW ratio than Chinese making them only effective if they are launched in larger numbers . The reason for keeping reasonably high number of CANDU derivatives outside safeguard was precisely this to increase the amount of fissile material . While our staged implosion device has partial burn with less than 60 % or less who knows will make our warheads terribly inefficient compared to others and because our program and this ATV program and all the programs are mostly geared toward PRC it can be reasonably said that it will be a long time before we have credible minimum deterrence against China .
Even with our future larger SSBNs we will not have credible minimum deterrence for some time our 200 kt warheads are puny and those CDEEP pics you posted with 4 MIRVs it may not be able to carry them as it has 4 RVs for 2 tonne throw weight .

Only way we're gonna make that 190Mw-rated PWR, is with Russian help. Ofcourse they won't do anything violating their treaties, but a workaround is always there. No-one is going to transfer the core technologies to us, those IPRs will remain with the Russians.

Yes you want to make 190 Mwt reactor with Russian help with moderately enriched Uranium except for KTL-40 how many Russian reactors operate or for that matter any country except US can operate HEU fuelled high burnup naval reactors . Most of the Russian reactors don't transfer more than 45000 shp per shaft and you want to run a make believe 20000 tonne SSBN with 190 Mw reactor which might transfer not more than 50000 Shp even at higher burnup assuming we managed to create a TRISO fuel ( Our CHTR has TRISO fuel) how will it run. Ever wondered why Americans are creating a special reactor for Ohio plus class which has similar tonnage with our make belief 20000 tonne SSBN .

Who said we're not? You will see that regardless of whether we go for French or Russian-type designs, the SSN class we'll be building will be in the region of 5,000 tons displacement.

What is known is that they'll be smaller than the Arihant for sure. Smaller, lighter, faster & harder to detect. A true hunter-killer.

Smaller , lighter and Faster doesn't make it harder to detect , improved hull coatings ,improved propeller designs and quieted propulsion plant and better shielding of Reactors etc will do that do tell how French can help us with that or how 5000 t SSN will do that.
I don't think the GOI has released the specifications or requirements and everything is in the realm of speculation .

It means that what YOU want is vastly different from what IN wants.

I wanted 10 CBGs for IN and Tumblehome hulled destroyer ?????????????

 

[Superdefender]

Good news! Hull fabrication of third Arihant ship (S4) is completed. Arihant perhaps will be commissioned couple of months later. Aridhaman will be commissioned in 2018. Thus, 1 SSBN will enter in every 2 years.

 

[sayareakd]

Good news! Hull fabrication of third Arihant ship (S4) is completed. Arihant perhaps will be commissioned couple of months later. Aridhaman will be commissioned in 2018. Thus, 1 SSBN will enter in every 2 years.

yeah, still our nuke factory is producing at slow rate, it should be one every year.

 

[Superdefender]

yeah, still our nuke factory is producing at slow rate, it should be one every year.

We have to build atleast another two MDL or GRSE for that to accomplish!!

 

[Superdefender]

yeah, still our nuke factory is producing at slow rate, it should be one every year.

We have to build atleast another two MDL or GRSE for that to accomplish!!

 

[Jangaruda]

Does anyone knw whn will the arihant be comissioned??

 

[Superdefender]

Does anyone knw whn will the arihant be comissioned??

Most likely next month.

Does anyone knw whn will the arihant be comissioned??

Does anyone knw whn will the arihant be comissioned??

Most likely next month.....................................

 

[Kharavela]

India’s INS Arihant will force China to Complete Pakistan Nuclear Triad: Aussie Media
SOURCE: Aakar Patel / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

The Sydney Morning Herald (SMH) a daily published in Sydney said in a report that while India’s 6000-tonne Arihant Nuclear submarine is all set for Induction into Indian Navy which will push India into Elite Countries who posses Nuclear Blastic missile Submarine clearly aimed at Countering China’s growing influence in Indian ocean Region, Bejing will be forced to respond to India’s New Submarine by adding Pakistan submarine program .

Arihant Nuclear submarine deployment would complete India’s nuclear triad, allowing it to deliver atomic weapons from land, sea and air. Only the US and Russia are considered full-fledged nuclear triad powers now, with China and India’s capabilities still largely untested.

While Both India and China espouse a no-first-use policy on nuclear arms but Arihant will also act as a deterrence against an outbreak of war by discouraging enemies from attacking. Ballistic-missile submarines are considered to have played such a deterrent role in the Cold War.

Pakistan for long has been trying to acquire weapons systems which will allow it to establish second strike capability against arch rivals India. It’s known fact that Pakistan can ill afford Nuclear submarines in its arsenal but China might provide its assistance in providing Conventional under sea capabilities which can deliver nuclear warheads.

Pakistan with China has finalized its long-negotiated Conventional submarine deal which likely can be armed with Cruise missiles which capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons, thus completing Pakistan Nuclear Triad.

Export version of the Type 039A, the S20, is believed to be air-independent propulsion (AIP) capable submarine and should the Pakistanis opt for this capability it would give them greater operational flexibility through increased endurance. Pakistan is developing its Babur Cruise missile into a Submarine launched Cruise missile variant which will allow it to hit targets inside India with Nuclear weapons.
http://idrw.org/indias-ins-arihant-...kistan-nuclear-triad-aussie-media/#more-90178

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Complete pak nuclear triad ? Interesting Chinese can freely violate NPT seems to be ok with Australia. All good boys in Indian govt take note. By the way ATV is for China not pak someone tell aussies pak nuclear sub can also reach australia.


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[salute]

@LETHALFORCE

aussies are uk's bit*h,

their media and bbc you wont find much of the difference between them,

all they want to say is that pakis triad is india fault,pakis protection and chinas obligation for balancing of power.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

@LETHALFORCE

aussies are uk's bit*h,

their media and bbc you wont find much of the difference between them,

all they want to say is that pakis triad is india fault,pakis protection and chinas obligation for balancing of power.

Who cares what they say? My point is if China can freely violate NPT others should also be allowed too. Australia is suppose to be part of anti Chinese naval alliance . If Pakistan goes for nuclear triad Iran should also go for triad. Pak nuclear program has blessings of USA who want pak nuclear program to be proxy for Saudis.


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[sasum]

India’s INS Arihant will force China to Complete Pakistan Nuclear Triad: Aussie Media
SOURCE: Aakar Patel / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

The Sydney Morning Herald (SMH) a daily published in Sydney said in a report that while India’s 6000-tonne Arihant Nuclear submarine is all set for Induction into Indian Navy which will push India into Elite Countries who posses Nuclear Blastic missile Submarine clearly aimed at Countering China’s growing influence in Indian ocean Region, Bejing will be forced to respond to India’s New Submarine by adding Pakistan submarine program .

Arihant Nuclear submarine deployment would complete India’s nuclear triad, allowing it to deliver atomic weapons from land, sea and air. Only the US and Russia are considered full-fledged nuclear triad powers now, with China and India’s capabilities still largely untested.

While Both India and China espouse a no-first-use policy on nuclear arms but Arihant will also act as a deterrence against an outbreak of war by discouraging enemies from attacking. Ballistic-missile submarines are considered to have played such a deterrent role in the Cold War.

Pakistan for long has been trying to acquire weapons systems which will allow it to establish second strike capability against arch rivals India. It’s known fact that Pakistan can ill afford Nuclear submarines in its arsenal but China might provide its assistance in providing Conventional under sea capabilities which can deliver nuclear warheads.

Pakistan with China has finalized its long-negotiated Conventional submarine deal which likely can be armed with Cruise missiles which capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons, thus completing Pakistan Nuclear Triad.

Export version of the Type 039A, the S20, is believed to be air-independent propulsion (AIP) capable submarine and should the Pakistanis opt for this capability it would give them greater operational flexibility through increased endurance. Pakistan is developing its Babur Cruise missile into a Submarine launched Cruise missile variant which will allow it to hit targets inside India with Nuclear weapons.
http://idrw.org/indias-ins-arihant-...kistan-nuclear-triad-aussie-media/#more-90178

Even if Pak doesn't buy a sub from China, it can always lease one capable of firing nuclear missile just like India did with Russia. Moreover, if Pak affords a naval base to China at Gwadar or Karachi, India is done for. In that case only option for India is to proliferate to Vietnam, Taiwan, South Korea etc. & hem China in.

 

[garg_bharat]

Complete pak nuclear triad ? Interesting Chinese can freely violate NPT seems to be ok with Australia. All good boys in Indian govt take note. By the way ATV is for China not pak someone tell aussies pak nuclear sub can also reach australia.


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Let us react to actual transfers, not guesswork.
Australia says this or that is not going to make much difference.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Australia is accurate except nuclear part. China does have sub deal with pak. Chinese have proliferated missiles and chic designs and given uranium to pak. I would call it proliferation don't know if others do?


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[LETHALFORCE]

Description of arihant and details

 

[Superdefender]

Complete pak nuclear triad ? Interesting Chinese can freely violate NPT seems to be ok with Australia. All good boys in Indian govt take note. By the way ATV is for China not pak someone tell aussies pak nuclear sub can also reach australia.


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ATV Arihant's & Aridhaman's primary role to deter Pakistan. K-4 can cover only half of China! To cover whole land, you have to be close to China's shore. And that's not possible for now because both ATVs will be very noisy and will be detected. Until K-5 arrives, we can't have fully fledged sea detterent with respect to China. We have to wait for S-5 series SSBNs.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Does anyone knw whn will the arihant be comissioned??

It can be any time from now onwards.

 

[Yumdoot]

Description of arihant and details

Description of K-15 is more interesting.

 

[tharun]

India’s INS Arihant will force China to Complete Pakistan Nuclear Triad: Aussie Media
SOURCE: Aakar Patel / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

The Sydney Morning Herald (SMH) a daily published in Sydney said in a report that while India’s 6000-tonne Arihant Nuclear submarine is all set for Induction into Indian Navy which will push India into Elite Countries who posses Nuclear Blastic missile Submarine clearly aimed at Countering China’s growing influence in Indian ocean Region, Bejing will be forced to respond to India’s New Submarine by adding Pakistan submarine program .

Arihant Nuclear submarine deployment would complete India’s nuclear triad, allowing it to deliver atomic weapons from land, sea and air. Only the US and Russia are considered full-fledged nuclear triad powers now, with China and India’s capabilities still largely untested.

While Both India and China espouse a no-first-use policy on nuclear arms but Arihant will also act as a deterrence against an outbreak of war by discouraging enemies from attacking. Ballistic-missile submarines are considered to have played such a deterrent role in the Cold War.

Pakistan for long has been trying to acquire weapons systems which will allow it to establish second strike capability against arch rivals India. It’s known fact that Pakistan can ill afford Nuclear submarines in its arsenal but China might provide its assistance in providing Conventional under sea capabilities which can deliver nuclear warheads.

Pakistan with China has finalized its long-negotiated Conventional submarine deal which likely can be armed with Cruise missiles which capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons, thus completing Pakistan Nuclear Triad.

Export version of the Type 039A, the S20, is believed to be air-independent propulsion (AIP) capable submarine and should the Pakistanis opt for this capability it would give them greater operational flexibility through increased endurance. Pakistan is developing its Babur Cruise missile into a Submarine launched Cruise missile variant which will allow it to hit targets inside India with Nuclear weapons.
http://idrw.org/indias-ins-arihant-...kistan-nuclear-triad-aussie-media/#more-90178

Written by a asshole named akar ahmad patel pure anti-india and anti-modi