Indian nuclear submarines

[SATISH]

no man even agusta has that capability.
i have read in somany forums.
but our Indians used 2 outcry them and tell them wat ever u have those less then our Akula's

No mate...those forum guys are crapping...The Scorpene is based on the first SSN design of France...That is why it can accommodate a reactor. If you have doubts you caneven read the brochure.

 

[bhramos]

what is the contribution of Russia in ATV?

mainly design and reactor propably.
but we reverse engg that reactor and made our own reactor.
we 2 reactors from Russia in 98 only.

 

[Yusuf]

what SSBN will do after it fire all its missile ???

Rush back to base as quickly as possible without getting detected by the enemy and reload.

 

[Adux]

I would love to see a few Shkvals fired from our ATV...a Barrage of 4 Shkvals and the Chinese carrier becomes a submarine...

Nopes, Shkval is a suicide weapon, and has only a range of 50kms and no guidance system; unlike conventional Torpedo's

 

[sayareakd]

No mate...those forum guys are crapping...The Scorpene is based on the first SSN design of France...That is why it can accommodate a reactor. If you have doubts you caneven read the brochure.

satish is right i read that brouchure....... it has space for reactor if you want one to be installed.......

 

[bhramos]

Shakval can also use N-warhead, its main use is to destroy whole CBG, with one torpedo,
but as Adux mention its a sucide weapon.

 

[sayareakd]

Rush back to base as quickly as possible without getting detected by the enemy and reload.

that can be possible only with pak, with rest there wont be a base left.......

 

[Yusuf]

Why would a weapon that's a potential suicide weapon be doveloped? Shkval can be a useful weapon.

 

[Yusuf]

that can be possible only with pak, with rest there wont be a base left.......

Current adversaries are Pakistan and China. They will not be able to take out all our bases.

 

[Adux]

Why would a weapon that's a potential suicide weapon be doveloped? Shkval can be a useful weapon.

It is a suicide weapon by the virtue of its limitations, You are already under 100 Kms inside CBG Battle space; You cant take out all the CBG components, There is no escape.

 

[Adux]

Shakval can also use N-warhead, its main use is to destroy whole CBG, with one torpedo,
but as Adux mention its a sucide weapon.

No it cant take out the whole CBG Group.

Read this Carrier Strike Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bhramos]

1st time when they r deployed the N-tipped torpedos is in the Cuban missile crisis.
sucide weapons are devoloped for do r die situatutions,

 

[ajay_ijn]

But the capital is being provided by India not Russia, nor was the Project under Russian Defence Export Ministry.You are wrong in assuming, Indians when they spend nearly a 3-4 billions in this project will taking a cue from a 1960's sub, that was the case till late 1989's, but not after Russians started provided direct help from mid 1995's/

but your assuming that India might given money to Russian to design an entirely new class of submarines where are so many good ones. nuclear submarine does cost billions of dollars. not 1960s but may be 80s or 90s or even 21st century Borei Class submarine. Even reporters were saying the same.

 

[Adux]

1st time when they r deployed the N-tipped torpedos is in the Cuban missile crisis.
sucide weapons are devoloped for do r die situatutions,

Its about getting into range, itquite hard to reach that far into CBG santized airspace and waters at war time. Again nuke tipped at what destruction capacity, it is still a small weapon with a war head carrying capability of 210 Kgs with a range of only 13 Kilometers. All the while a US Torpedo will do it at a range of 23Kms and 45% more payload capacity, while the British Spearfish Torpedo will do 54 Kms, at 50% more payload capacity. Stand off ranges are important, in a highly network centric multiple platform enviornment.

 

[Yusuf]

It is a suicide weapon by the virtue of its limitations, You are already under 100 Kms inside CBG Battle space; You cant take out all the CBG components, There is no escape.

Is there a longer range guided version of the Shkval coming up? That would take care of the current limitation .

 

[Adux]

but your assuming that India might given money to Russian to design an entirely new class of submarines where are so many good ones. nuclear submarine does cost billions of dollars. not 1960s but may be 80s or 90s or even 21st century Borei Class submarine. Even reporters were saying the same.

Why not? I am not assuming look at the damn thing's sketches at livefist, It has no Russian counterpart. Reporters in India are not called DDMs for nothing, They have been saying Charlie all this while, now they claim it to be a Borei influence, I see more resemblence to the Shang Class but with Baliistic misiles. Check it out. Or show me a similar Russian design.There isnt one.

 

[prahladh]

Will a nuclear tipped Brahmos take care of CBG. How much does a CBG cover. 250 miles ?!

 

[Adux]

Is there a longer range guided version of the Shkval coming up? That would take care of the current limitation .

Sorry it is not 100 Kms, but 10 Kilometers., the highest range possible is 13kms.

 

[venom]

Will a nuclear tipped Brahmos take care of CBG. How much does a CBG cover. 250 miles ?!

I think it might destroy 60% of CBG...

 

[ajay_ijn]

That is not the point, it is about assured second strike.

yes thats the point. no need for assured second strike when it comes Pak, no need of SSBN at all.

And also more noise. SSN's are noiser and when confronting Pakistan they will have to do that in Littoral waters, a fortae of Diesel-AIP subs

why only littoral waters? and i cannot assume that Indian SSNs will be more noisy than conventional subs.

You already lost if your SSBN is caught, it is all about Stand off ranges; It is simple, move so far deep into Indian Ocean, far away where it is logistically impossible for Pak Navy to track our asset. And launch our second strike;This is where Agni-3L or K-X comes in.

I was talking about SSN but gave example of SSBN in movies.

You are forgetting one vital asset, P-8I and network centercity

yes its indeed a vital asset from Uncle Sam if he allows to deploy it against Pak.

It is stupid to go to littoral waters with an SSN,like the US submarine found out in Malabar exercise of the coast goa, that is where our HDW 209's shined.

I didn't know about US Submarine story. can you give us some reliable source. and what happens in littoral waters.
even if there is problem then SSNs can patrol outside littoral waters.

Start counting them like this, We are assured to have 5 aircraft carrier battle groups; that is 5already there, and we plan to have nearly 8-10 SSBN's, that is 16-20 SSN's right there. So we may have nearly 25 SSN's, 10 SSBN, and 12 Diesel Electric Scorpene's/ Second line. And think South China Sea, that is where our SSN's have to go, not Arabian Sea or Bay of Bengal,That is where Jin and Tang class SSBN's will be there to launch their JL-2's

I don't think India can afford 5 Aircraft Carriers, 35 nuclear Submarines in near term. Its a costly affair to build and operate even few nuclear submarines patrolling regularly. we have small budgets but big ambitions.

capital outlay for Navy is approx 18000 Cr which amounts to 3.7 bil USD. with that money they have to buy, operate submarines, fighters, carriers, missiles, bombs, torpedoes and all the related to equipment to maintain them.