Indian nuclear submarines

[Aniruddha Mulay]

What about S4?

Launched already, should be heading for sea trials by now.
S4* is in final stages of construction.

 

[Arihant Roy]

INS Arighat?

Back in August, it was reportedly due to get commissioned "later this year." Just 45 days left in this year.

INS Arighat: Ghost set for Official Induction later this year – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

This is conjecture from the stables of IDRW. If it had been Sandeep or other mainstream journos would have believed in this.

But I do believe there is a sub between INS Arihant and INS Arighat and she is in active service since N2018 .

Either PM was referring to the commissioning of INS Arighat / third sub in Arihant class. OR
PM was referring to the launch of the fourth boat in the Arihant class. Which would be S4*.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Why was there such a long gap between launch of Arihant and Arighat and then Arighat and S4 were launched in quick succession? Were missiles not available?

There is a second sub in between INS Arihant and INS Arighat. It cannot be that there will be gap of eight years between the launch of the lead boat in a class and the second boat . Arihant was launched with much fanfare on 26th July 2009 and Arighat was launched in a low key event in Nov 2018. A gap of more than 8 years in between.

Somewhere something is not right. And since the entire program is of a strategic nature with the PM and his inner circle directly overseeing it, info will be tightly controlled and whatever is released through defense editors may be for misinfo to deliberately mislead other nations with a keen interest in our nuclear program .

 

[no smoking]

It cannot be that there will be gap of eight years between the launch of the lead boat in a class and the second boat .

INS Arihant was the first ever nuclear submarine built by India, certainly there are lot of things that India navy and shipbuilding industry can learn from its operation. Naturally, they will use these experiences to improve the design and building of the following ships. So, 8 years is quite reasonable.

Somewhere something is not right. And since the entire program is of a strategic nature with the PM and his inner circle directly overseeing it, info will be tightly controlled and whatever is released through defense editors may be for misinfo to deliberately mislead other nations with a keen interest in our nuclear program.

Then, India is really wasting the time if she is trying to mislead others on this issue.
Intelligence agency doesn't solely reply on the press release which is only working as reference. There are plenty of foreign components suppliers for India nuclear submarine. Their production and delivery schedule tell you lots of things.

 

[Freezer Dam]

INS Arihant was the first ever nuclear submarine built by India, certainly there are lot of things that India navy and shipbuilding industry can learn from its operation. Naturally, they will use these experiences to improve the design and building of the following ships. So, 8 years is quite reasonable.




Then, India is really wasting the time if she is trying to mislead others on this issue.
Intelligence agency doesn't solely reply on the press release which is only working as reference. There are plenty of foreign components suppliers for India nuclear submarine. Their production and delivery schedule tell you lots of things.

What's your popular belief in that case?
Till today how many NSub India produce?
Now, what you suggest about all type of 2nd strike of capability achieved only 1 NSub?

 

[Arihant Roy]

INS Arihant was the first ever nuclear submarine built by India, certainly there are lot of things that India navy and shipbuilding industry can learn from its operation. Naturally, they will use these experiences to improve the design and building of the following ships. So, 8 years is quite reasonable.




Then, India is really wasting the time if she is trying to mislead others on this issue.
Intelligence agency doesn't solely reply on the press release which is only working as reference. There are plenty of foreign components suppliers for India nuclear submarine. Their production and delivery schedule tell you lots of things.

The first ever nuclear sub to be made in India . Allright but do you most of its blocks / components are designed in Russia by Russian people. They are all based on designs of proven systems . So it's not that it's a brand new system and you have to test out each and everything .

There are a hell lot of things going on in between India and Russia. If you are to poke around or have friends in the right places, you will come to know that there are quite a no of Russians in SBC even now and the technicians, engineers are also there on the sub when she goes out on trials .

BARC was given the chance to design a miniature compact reactor but after 10 years they were unable to do so and we have to look elsewhere.

Why do you think MoD has been so accomodative to Russian concerns and ruled out the Swedish objection that the Ruskies have been given indie advantage in the manpad trials? Or why did we stop dead on the tracks in the SPGAM tender even after coming to the conclusion that an upgraded Tunguska didn't meet out GSQR.

The Russians have provided us a springboard from which we are going to take things forward in case of certain critical items . Their OEM even provided uss the know how of things and the detailed manufacturing processes blueprints. Our industries both private and public then went to work quietly . More on this later.

Even then we had many teething troubles in making the various systems talk to each other and perform in a satisfactory manner. We had our stumbling blocks. Some systems in INS Arihant are indigenous though . Those IPR are held by us . That's why Arihant took so long to be commissioned.

INS Arihant also took that long because Congress always looked at the ATV project as some sort of a science project/ a tech demonstrator of sorts which would show the world that India is also capable of doing things. UPA under congress was never serious about operationalising the Arihant class and deploying them on patrols . That's why the project languished for some time. A Indian sub with live nuke warheads was too much for MMS and his dhoti shivering RM. You need balls of titanium

Congress had also extended the same step motherly treat

 

[NAMICA]

INS Arihant was the first ever nuclear submarine built by India, certainly there are lot of things that India navy and shipbuilding industry can learn from its operation. Naturally, they will use these experiences to improve the design and building of the following ships. So, 8 years is quite reasonable.




Then, India is really wasting the time if she is trying to mislead others on this issue.
Intelligence agency doesn't solely reply on the press release which is only working as reference. There are plenty of foreign components suppliers for India nuclear submarine. Their production and delivery schedule tell you lots of things.

Can you name any foreign supplier who is publicly claiming and revealing this.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Congress had also extended the same step motherly treatment to DRDO's fledgling BMD program . It was a tech demonstrator project on steroids which was meant to impress people but was never meant to be operationally deployed . NDA under Narendra Modi gave this program a renewed push and the results are there for us folks to see.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Can you name any foreign supplier who is publicly claiming and revealing this.

Can anyone name a foreign OEM , both Chinese and North Korean or Ukrainian who publicly claim that they are ones behind missiles like Ghauri Ghaznavi and even the Shaheen series and cruise missiles like Babur and Raad ?

Can a Dutch OEM explicitly claim that their centrifuges were used by Pakistan in their nuke weapons program ?

If you can answer these two questions, you will also be able to get the answer to your own question.

 

[NAMICA]

The first ever nuclear sub to be made in India . Allright but do you most of its blocks / components are designed in Russia by Russian people. They are all based on designs of proven systems . So it's not that it's a brand new system and you have to test out each and everything .

There are a hell lot of things going on in between India and Russia. If you are to poke around or have friends in the right places, you will come to know that there are quite a no of Russians in SBC even now and the technicians, engineers are also there on the sub when she goes out on trials .

BARC was given the chance to design a miniature compact reactor but after 10 years they were unable to do so and we have to look elsewhere.

Why do you think MoD has been so accomodative to Russian concerns and ruled out the Swedish objection that the Ruskies have been given indie advantage in the manpad trials? Or why did we stop dead on the tracks in the SPGAM tender even after coming to the conclusion that an upgraded Tunguska didn't meet out GSQR.

The Russians have provided us a springboard from which we are going to take things forward in case of certain critical items . Their OEM even provided uss the know how of things and the detailed manufacturing processes blueprints. Our industries both private and public then went to work quietly . More on this later.

Even then we had many teething troubles in making the various systems talk to each other and perform in a satisfactory manner. We had our stumbling blocks. Some systems in INS Arihant are indigenous though . Those IPR are held by us . That's why Arihant took so long to be commissioned.

INS Arihant also took that long because Congress always looked at the ATV project as some sort of a science project/ a tech demonstrator of sorts which would show the world that India is also capable of doing things. UPA under congress was never serious about operationalising the Arihant class and deploying them on patrols . That's why the project languished for some time. A Indian sub with live nuke warheads was too much for MMS and his dhoti shivering RM. You need balls of titanium

Congress had also extended the same step motherly treat

Your statement sounds like it violated NPT but in reality it didn't. Russians only provided us way we moved forward on our own their cooperation was limited to some extent in fear of violation of NPT.

Well nuclear submarine programme also progressed well under Congress rule.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Your statement sounds like it violated NPT but in reality it didn't. Russians only provided us way we moved forward on our own their cooperation was limited to some extent in fear of violation of NPT.

Well nuclear submarine programme also progressed well under Congress rule.

Nuclear submarine progressed at a pace which is a couple of notches faster than a snail's pace under congress rule . It was strictly a laboratory experiment .

Russians provided us many things. People in the know won't open their mouths . Certain things need to remain confidential. I am not privy to them too but I have some inkling . Many things are happening in the shadows.

 

[no smoking]

The first ever nuclear sub to be made in India . Allright but do you most of its blocks / components are designed in Russia by Russian people. They are all based on designs of proven systems . So it's not that it's a brand new system and you have to test out each and everything .

Submarine is a complex weapon system, nuclear submarine is an even bigger challenge.
As you point out most of its blocks/components are designed by experienced Russian scientists, but these people are used to design submarines for Russian navy, Russian tactics in Russia's ocean environment. Indian navy is a group of people with different training background, different tactics and different potential battle field. Whether these Russian design can work perfectly with Indian navy is big question mask, you can only find out in the actual operation. And most likely, after using the first submarine, there are quite a lot need to be modified.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Submarine is a complex weapon system, nuclear submarine is an even bigger challenge.
As you point out most of its blocks/components are designed by experienced Russian scientists, but these people are used to design submarines for Russian navy, Russian tactics in Russia's ocean environment. Indian navy is a group of people with different training background, different tactics and different potential battle field. Whether these Russian design can work perfectly with Indian navy is big question mask, you can only find out in the actual operation. And most likely, after using the first submarine, there are quite a lot need to be modified.

Yup...we are going to test if our SSBNs are working by firing a K5 each to Beijing and Shanghai. This is because Indian nuclear physics is completely different from Russian nuclear physics. Our physics is beyond the comprehension of CCPandas. We have hive mind technology where we fire missiles just by thinking about it.
To explain more, in our version atom is 'athma', and we believe that all energy comes from mind and body and not from the orbital jumps of excited electrons returning to their home orbits. So instead of a nuke reactor, we have a bunch of strong minded people lined up at the back of the sub who turn the propellers with their combined hive mind energies. We also have another set of strong willed people at the front of the sub with 20-20 vision who fire SLBMs with just their thoughts to hit targets accurately with a CEP of zero.
All this is being tested right now starting with the thought process of nuking Islamabad underway as we speak in India's equivalent of Area 51 - Dharavi slums in Mumbai, a clever disguise to fool the world. Elon Musk ( an alien from planet Xomorin in disguise) , actively working with our DRDO scientists under Xomorin interplanetary defence department and US DoD partnerships, has developed the neural interface that will test launch nukes on Pakshitstan first. Upon success, we will blight CCP land next. Tell Xi to start stocking up on diapers made by slaves in East Turkestan and Tibet. He and the politburo will need to soon change into several diapers an hour.

 

[Arihant Roy]

Submarine is a complex weapon system, nuclear submarine is an even bigger challenge.
As you point out most of its blocks/components are designed by experienced Russian scientists, but these people are used to design submarines for Russian navy, Russian tactics in Russia's ocean environment. Indian navy is a group of people with different training background, different tactics and different potential battle field. Whether these Russian design can work perfectly with Indian navy is big question mask, you can only find out in the actual operation. And most likely, after using the first submarine, there are quite a lot need to be modified.

Do the Indian Navy officers and DRDO scientists who are in charge of the ATV look like a bunch of Pappu chamchas to you with a single digit IQ?

Extensive mods had already been incorporated in the base design to make it match our GSQR . Some systems were designed exclusively for our usage . Some of our engineers were incorporated in their teams eight from the beginning so as to look just into this matter . Then there a lot of simulations done through various softwares followed by actual validating the performanc parameters of the individual systems in a real world environment . Then they are again tested as a whole system to see if all the blocks systems are interfacing with each other perfectly . Then the Navy guys come in and they are Amir Khan level perfectionists . No pun intended here. It's a fact .

And yes I agree with you that there is a lot of teething troubles with various systems in the first boat of a class. That's why it took so long to be commissioned. But I am certain that if NDA had come to power at the centre in 2009, INS Arihant would have been commissioned earlier . Afterall all these projects require firm political resolve and will to be taken forward to a level where the platform will be operationally deployed .

 

[no smoking]

Do the Indian Navy officers and DRDO scientists who are in charge of the ATV look like a bunch of Pappu chamchas to you with a single digit IQ?

Please leave your ego out of this discussion.

Extensive mods had already been incorporated in the base design to make it match our GSQR . Some systems were designed exclusively for our usage . Some of our engineers were incorporated in their teams eight from the beginning so as to look just into this matter . Then there a lot of simulations done through various softwares followed by actual validating the performanc parameters of the individual systems in a real world environment . Then they are again tested as a whole system to see if all the blocks systems are interfacing with each other perfectly . Then the Navy guys come in and they are Amir Khan level perfectionists . No pun intended here. It's a fact .

Every weapon system has been tested thoroughly by the highly skilled scientists and experienced military officers before entering service. But every weapon system has encountered kinds of issues in the operation, no matter it is Chinese, American or Russia. Just looking at UK's new AC, how many trouble they have to deal with after commissioned as they also have so many experienced navy officers and brilliant scientists.

Human's technology is not advanced enough to simulate every details of complicated reality in the same time;
People's experience is based on their past, when they are facing new technology and equipment, their experiences of the past don't always match the new thing;
More importantly, they are human. Human makes mistakes. It becomes a must when you get over tens of thousands humans working together.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Please leave your ego out of this discussion.



Every weapon system has been tested thoroughly by the highly skilled scientists and experienced military officers before entering service. But every weapon system has encountered kinds of issues in the operation, no matter it is Chinese, American or Russia. Just looking at UK's new AC, how many trouble they have to deal with after commissioned as they also have so many experienced navy officers and brilliant scientists.

Human's technology is not advanced enough to simulate every details of complicated reality in the same time;
People's experience is based on their past, when they are facing new technology and equipment, their experiences of the past don't always match the new thing;
More importantly, they are human. Human makes mistakes. It becomes a must when you get over tens of thousands humans working together.

That is why India, US etc have roped in experts from the 5th planet of the Diarrhea system - planet Xomorin. They are not human you see.

Meanwhile, CCP have to rely on crying hans to make weapons that do these (even after stealing it from other superior human species):

Only One Of Iraq's Chinese CH-4B Drones Is Mission Capable As Other Buyers Give Up On Them

Iraq's fleet of these unmanned aircraft is struggling with maintenance issues amid reports that other customers have been displeased with the design.

www.thedrive.com

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[FalconSlayers]

Launched already, should be heading for sea trials by now.
S4* is in final stages of construction.

INS Arighat is already complete, it is under sea trials.

 

[Ashok84]

S2,S3,S4 !!!Where is S1... some one explain please...

 

[Bleh]

S2,S3,S4 !!!Where is S1... some one explain please...

The consider Chakra S1

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

S1 is most probaly, the land based nuclear reactor, which was a precursor to INS Arhihant (S2).