Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[nitesh]

cross post:

this is good idea independent brigade

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/S...and-navy-plan-to-set-up-a-marine-brigade.html
Army and navy plan to set up a marine brigade

 

[nitesh]

India Sets Sail for Leadership

 

[youngindian]

Indian nuclear submariners sail on US nuke sub

New Delhi, June 10, 2010

The Obama administration may have yet to bridge a trust deficit with the Indian government but cooperation is galloping in the military sphere. In a first of its kind, three crewmembers from India's indigenously built nuclear submarine INS Arihant sailed for a week onboard the USS Annapolis, a Los Angeles class nuclear powered attack submarine, in the Arabian Sea last month.

The attachment, kept under wraps, formed part of the annual Malabar joint Indo-US naval exercises which concluded off Goa in early May. The move is significant. Just as the US is guarded about access to its nuclear submarines, the Indian navy is wary about granting access to its pioneering nuclear submariners or even a glimpse of its first indigenously built nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine, the Arihant.

Photography was banned at the Arihant's July 26 launch last year and the first official photograph of the nuclear submarine was released by the government only last week. (The first photograph of the Arihant was carried by India Today last year). The Arihant crew were given complete access to all areas of the Annapolis and had a hands-on experience of life on board a US nuclear powered submarine at sea. India's homemade SSBN is meanwhile undergoing harbour trials in Visakhapatnam and is expected to begin full-fledged sea trials only next year and is slated to be commissioned in 2012.

The Indian navy's first nuclear submarine, the INS Chakra, an Akula-2 nuclear powered attack submarine is to be commissioned later this year in Vladivostok. The Chakra is to join the navy on a ten-year lease and is to be used to train crews for the Arihant class submarines.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/S...-nuclear-submariners-sail-on-us-nuke-sub.html

 

[NI4NI]

This is the way to go. Learning from the best means less headaches later on.

US Navy is probably the best in maintaining and operating nuclear subs.

 

[anoop_mig25]

yeah but donot u think there is risk involved here that in future american spy agency would try to get a lot of information about our militrary assets

 

[Anshu Attri]

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/06/4th-convocation-of-niat-held.html

4th Convocation of NIAT held

The fourth Convocation Ceremony of the Naval Institute of Aeronautical Technology (NIAT) was held at the Udaan auditorium at Naval Base today. During the ceremony, a total of 330 Naval Air Technical personnel who successfully completed the MTech, BSc, Post Diploma and Diploma courses were awarded certificates by Cochin University of Science and Technology (CUSAT). Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Southern Naval Command, Vice Admiral KN Sushil, was the Chief Guest of the function. Dr Ramchandran Thekkedath, Vice Chancellor, Cochin University of Science and Technology (CUSAT) was the Guest of Honour. Commodore VR Kandru, Director, NIAT and Dr N Chandramohan Kumar, Registrar CUSAT were amongst the other dignitaries present.
In his address, Vice Admiral KN Sushil, acknowledged the gratitude of the Indian Navy to CUSAT for embracing the Navy as a part of the University family. The Admiral stressed that in this age of advanced technology, it is imperative that we know our enemy, not only mentally and physically but also by the systems he operates. Dr R Thekkedath emphasized the role of discipline in professionalism.
NIAT, the alma mater of all aviation technical personnel of the Indian Navy, has a glorious history which dates back to 1956. The Institute has been designated the Centre for Aeronautical Science and Technology (CASAT) by CUSAT. NIAT is equipped with latest facilities and simulators for imparting training on all types of naval aircraft, where trainees from friendly foreign nations also undergo training. NIAT presently conducts MTech, BSc, Diploma and Advanced Diploma programs in the field of Aeronautics under a curriculum approved by CUSAT and Indian Navy. These programmes of the Institute have been approved by the All India Council of Technical Education, New Delhi. Presently, CUSAT has accredited about 80 courses conducted by the Indian Navy following an MOU signed between CUSAT and Indian Navy in 2002.

 

[nandu]

Navy creating a new base for nuke submarines near Visakhapatnam

Navy creating a new base for nuke submarines

New Delhi: The navy is coming up with a secret base on the east coast, under the code name Project Varsha, to berth its upcoming fleet of nuclear submarines.

India's first indigenous nuclear-powered submarine, INS Arihant, under project Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV), was launched for trials last year at the Visakhapatnam-based ship building centre (SBC). Arihant is still undergoing its criticality certification at the SBC.

The navy has plans to build five more such nuclear-powered submarines at SBC. The defence ministry also took over the Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) in Visakhapatnam last year from the ministry of shipping, so that it could use HSL's facilities and infrastructure to build the submarines.

The new base, Project Varsha, will have special features to ensure safety of the submarines and the personnel onboard for maintenance. According to a source, the government would be taking the help of some other countries for the huge project as it required special fitments and attachments made of special material.

Located about 200 kilometres around Visakhapatnam at an undisclosed location, the base would be on the lines of the Chinese nuclear submarine base in Hainan island, the source said. The base will have accommodation and other facilities for the officers and men posted onboard.

The base would accommodate other submarines and ships if required, the source said, as a lot of vessels due for induction in the near future were facing space constraint.

Refusing to disclose the cost of the project and whether there would be any special facility for missiles, a source said, "Not sure when it would be ready. It might take time as it's a special project and meant mainly for nuclear submarines."

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_navy-creating-a-new-base-for-nuke-submarines_1395220

 

[sandeepdg]

Big plans the Navy surely has !!! I will want that we speed up our nuke sub production and continue the development of this port along with it simultaneously, so that a situation does not arrive when we have nuke subs but no dedicated base to berth them, or we have the base but no subs.

 

[Yusuf]

The Hainan based was picked by satellite analysis. Why the hell did the navy disclose any such project and also come out and tell that its going to be about 200kms away from Vizag? It will be easy for satellites to scan 200kms area surrounding vizag and pick up the base and its capabilities.

 

[ajtr]

^^ may be coz every 2 bit officer/person in india these days seeks his/her ten ceond fame on news media and in doing so they divulge all information be it related to national security or any case on which investigations are going on.Media circus on such thing are common in india and officers involved are willing contributor to it.for eg:arushi case 2 yrs back...

 

[tarunraju]

There is some hilly coastal terrain south of Vizag (further south of Simhadiri Thermal Power Station), that makes a juicy location for a submarine pen (as it would get natural cover from the hills). Any further south, and you get the Circars that are largely plain and north of Vizag (past Bheemili) again is largely plain. So my guess is this base won't be too far away from Vizag.

 

[nandu]

MoD to address sinking submarine fleet concerns today

Jun 8, 2010, 06.42am IST

NEW DELHI: The defence ministry is neither known for its fast decision-making, nor the ability to formulate long-term strategic plans. But there is some hope the already long-delayed Rs 30,000 crore programme for the second line of submarines will finally take concrete shape now.

Sources say the Defence Acquisitions Council, chaired by defence minister A K Antony, will meet on Tuesday to discuss Project-75I for the six new submarines, amid concerns that any further delay in its finalisation will leave India with gaping holes in its underwater combat capabilities in the years ahead.

The Navy has already been hit hard by the almost three-year delay in the ongoing Project-75 for French Scorpene submarines at Mazagon Docks, under which the six vessels were to roll out one per year from 2012 onwards, with price escalation pushing the total cost beyond Rs 20,000 crore, as was first reported by TOI.

India, after all, will be left with just five to six of its present fleet of 16 diesel-electric submarines -- 10 Russian Kilo-class, four German HDW and two virtually obsolete Foxtrot -- by 2014-2015.

With both China and Pakistan fast augmenting their submarine fleets, MoD's failure so far to identify a domestic shipyard, either public or private, for the second line of submarines has only accentuated the problem.

The RFP (request for proposal) to submarine manufacturers like Rosoboronexport (Russian), DCNS/Armaris (French), HDW (German) and Navantia (Spain) can be issued only after the shipyard is identified. With Mazagon Docks "already overloaded'', Navy is keen a different shipyard be fast selected to tie-up with the foreign manufacturer to ensure P-75I can get off the ground.

Navy wants all the six new submarines to be equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems to boost their operational capabilities, apart from having stealth, land-attack capability and ability to incorporate futuristic technologies.

Conventional submarines have to surface or snorkel every few days to get oxygen to recharge their batteries. If equipped with AIP systems, they can stay submerged for much longer periods, narrowing the gap with nuclear-powered submarines which can operate silently underwater for virtually unlimited periods.

Pakistan, incidentally, already has its first Mesma AIP-equipped submarine PNS Hamza, the third of the French Agosta-90B submarines it has inducted since 1999. It is now looking to induct three advanced Type-214 German submarines with AIP. China, of course, has 62 submarines, with 10 of them being nuclear-propelled.

Though India does not have nuclear submarines and SLBM (submarine-launched ballistic missile) capabilities at present, its long-term aim is to have three SSBNs (nuclear-powered submarines with long-range ballistic missiles) and six SSNs (nuclear attack submarines).

It hopes to move towards this by first inducting the Akula-II class attack submarine `K-152 Nerpa' on a 10-year lease from Russia in October this year, and then the first indigenous nuclear submarine INS Arihant by early-2012.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-fleet-concerns-today/articleshow/6020722.cms

 

[RAM]

National Institute of Warship/Submarine design & indigenization centre by Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) at Beypore, Kozhikode
The proposal is to set up a full-fledged National Institute of Warship/Submarine design & indigenization centre, and anciliary facility, by Ministry of Defence and Defence shipyards with Mazagon Dock Ltd (MDL) as the lead shipyard. MDL has requested the Govt. to take necessary steps to allocate 100 acres of contigious land with sea frontage at the Chaliyam side of Beypore Port, in three phases. Presently, Government has 41.0 acres of land with the Revenue dept. and 5 acres additional accreted land. Steps have been initiated to transfer the land on long lease to MDL.

http://www.ksidc.org/ongoing-projects.php

 

[AJSINGH]

is it like underground facility , i mean inside a hill which is bordering the sea ?

 

[ZOOM]

The Hainan based was picked by satellite analysis. Why the hell did the navy disclose any such project and also come out and tell that its going to be about 200kms away from Vizag? It will be easy for satellites to scan 200kms area surrounding vizag and pick up the base and its capabilities.

Even if we had classified its proposed site then only we could not have able to hide the same from praying eyes of satellite, as Indian coastal locations aren't as big as China who despite having the same couldn't hide it. It depends upon Indian Naval posture whether to hide the location or not, either hiding its berth has nothing to do with saftey and security as Submarine will always be on mission deep in ocean and will visit its base only during repairs and replanishments.

 

[EagleOne]

i think ,all will keep the first project secret as India kept for arihant and remaining no need for keeping them secret as other countries already know tht we are going to construct more nuke subs ..
and no problem where the base is unless we are attacked

 

[Prince]

Navy to commission two fast attack craft this month

New Delhi, Jun 13 (PTI) To provide more teeth to its coastal security and surveillance capabilities, the Navy will induct two more water jet propelled Fast Attack Craft (FACs) in Visakhapatnam by this month-end.

The two FACs, built by Kolkata-based Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE), will be based in the eastern coast to facilitate Navy to carry out patrols and intercept rogue ships, Navy officers said here today.

Named INS Cankaso and INS Kondul, two island territories of India, these would be the fifth and sixth FACs under the Car Nicobar class of craft that India began building in 2007.

The Navy has already inducted four FACs under this class -- Car Nicobar, Chetlat, Korah Divh and Cheriyam -- last year as part of the fast-track process following the Mumbai terror attacks, when Pakistani terrorists used a boat to reach the coast of the metropolis.PTI

 

[SATISH]

Or this is misinformation spread?....Bay of Bengal is too shallow for operating submarines. And Ocean going vessels like the nuke sub will be based in a deep sea region. This is a totally different scenario now.

 

[p2prada]

The base will come at Vishakapatnam.

We don't need to keep it a secret because we cannot make the world believe we are a threat. Also, the location of submarine base does not have to be a big secret. Militaries and Intelligence agencies have a way of finding it out in the first year of construction of the base itself. Hainan is an example of it.

Also, the Bay of Bengal is deep enough to provide transit to the Nuke subs. Hainan is located in South China Sea and it is much more shallow than the Bay of Bengal. 300 to 400m depth is more than enough.

 

[bhramos]

Navy creating a new base for nuke submarines

New Delhi: The navy is coming up with a secret base on the east coast, under the code name Project Varsha, to berth its upcoming fleet of nuclear submarines.
India's first indigenous nuclear-powered submarine, INS Arihant, under project Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV), was launched for trials last year at the Visakhapatnam-based ship building centre (SBC). Arihant is still undergoing its criticality certification at the SBC.
The navy has plans to build five more such nuclear-powered submarines at SBC. The defence ministry also took over the Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) in Visakhapatnam last year from the ministry of shipping, so that it could use HSL's facilities and infrastructure to build the submarines.
The new base, Project Varsha, will have special features to ensure safety of the submarines and the personnel onboard for maintenance. According to a source, the government would be taking the help of some other countries for the huge project as it required special fitments and attachments made of special material.
Located about 200 kilometres around Visakhapatnam at an undisclosed location, the base would be on the lines of the Chinese nuclear submarine base in Hainan island, the source said. The base will have accommodation and other facilities for the officers and men posted onboard.
The base would accommodate other submarines and ships if required, the source said, as a lot of vessels due for induction in the near future were facing space constraint.
Refusing to disclose the cost of the project and whether there would be any special facility for missiles, a source said, "Not sure when it would be ready. It might take time as it's a special project and meant mainly for nuclear submarines."

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=13024

5 more submarines!!!