Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Super Flanker]

max range of NASM can be achieved at 3 km drop altitude so along the IB of Rajasthan, Punjab & Jammu region, LCH may be deployed with 2 nos of ground attack variant of NASM with lighter warhead of SAAW. Its just a thought from me.

We only the following things about NASM in it's current configuration :

It can carry a Warhead of 100 kg, overall missile has a weight of 380 kg and it has a range of 55 kms. This is all the Specifications of NASM available in mainstream media following the recent test. So I don't from where you got this figure of 3 kms altitude to get max range. No one Knows what is the range of NASM if fired from a particular Altitude. It's all speculations and nothing else.

 

[Super Flanker]

Yes primarily it will be used by our fighter fleet but I meant that Rustom-2 will also be made capable to deploy SAAW. It is also envisaged to be used by CATS warrior. I feel even if you are only able to use it close to border then also SAAW equipped Rustom-2 will be great asset.

As of now, SAAW is planned to be used mainly in platforms like SU-30 MKI, Tejas MK-1, Jaguar, Hawk-i. But yes, we can use SAAW to Destroy Enemy bunkers. Rustom-2 can definitely carry it, how many it will be able to carry, I don't know but atleast 2+ will be ok from my side. We could use Rustom-2 with SAAW similar to Turkish TB-2 drones.

 

[Arpuster]

We only the following things about NASM in it's current configuration :

It can carry a Warhead of 100 kg, overall missile has a weight of 380 kg and it has a range of 55 kms. This is all the Specifications of NASM available in mainstream media following the recent test. So I don't from where you got this figure of 3 kms altitude to get max range. No one Knows what is the range of NASM if fired from a particular Altitude. It's all speculations and nothing else.

Launch altitude of NASM is 91 m to 3 km. Check this out

 

[Akula]

As of now, SAAW is planned to be used mainly in platforms like SU-30 MKI, Tejas MK-1, Jaguar, Hawk-i. But yes, we can use SAAW to Destroy Enemy bunkers. Rustom-2 can definitely carry it, how many it will be able to carry, I don't know but atleast 2+ will be ok from my side. We could use Rustom-2 with SAAW similar to Turkish TB-2 drones.

Rustom 2 needs missile like Spike NLOS. Will be enough to destroy targets.

 

[Super Flanker]

Rustom 2 needs missile like Spike NLOS. Will be enough to destroy targets.

In terms of Weopons, we need to make Rustom-2 like Turkish Bayraktar TB-2, see through Wikipedia page on TB-2 in the Specifications sections where it is listed what type of Weopons TB-2 can carry.

Launch altitude of NASM is 91 m to 3 km. Check this outView attachment 156500

Thank you.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

But bro
What's the solution as awacs in carriers are necessary

We are already doing so much with Dhruv and Rudra as platform. We can develop AEW version in limited numbers. Might need to change to more powerful engines though.

No. IN uses it own comms.
Ka31 cancellation is not a big thing now, I think.
Why spend half a billion on old tech, if we can develop one, with a little help ?

For time being I think we would be using Naval Dhruv in this role as a stop gap.
Citation Needed for bellow statement

I remember reading in an article that Israeli marine radar installed Naval Dhruv has search/track range of around 150km similar to E-801M OKO radar.

The problem will be it doesn't have 360° azimuth.
I tried finding this article but couldn't trace it. Can someone independently confirm this.
With Naval Dhruv we would be getting better network warfare capabilities compared to Ka-31.

 

[karn]

For time being I think we would be using Naval Dhruv in this role as a stop gap.
Citation Needed for bellow statement
The problem will be it doesn't have 360° azimuth.
I tried finding this article but couldn't trace it. Can someone independently confirm this.
With Naval Dhruv we would be getting better network warfare capabilities compared to Ka-31.

Wouldn't it be too small .. ka 31 has significantly more engine power.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

We only the following things about NASM in it's current configuration :

It can carry a Warhead of 100 kg, overall missile has a weight of 380 kg and it has a range of 55 kms. This is all the Specifications of NASM available in mainstream media following the recent test. So I don't from where you got this figure of 3 kms altitude to get max range. No one Knows what is the range of NASM if fired from a particular Altitude. It's all speculations and nothing else.

It won't matter much from what altitude NASM is fired.
NASM is designed as a sea-skimming missile. It will always fly low close to surface. Drag and air resistance will be always high.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Wouldn't it be too small .. ka 31 has significantly more engine power.

That is why I asked the statement needs to be independently verified.

However with technological advancement range of radars is also increasing without much increase in required power.

 

[WolfPack86]

HOW WILL AMERICAN SUPER HORNET COMPETE WITH FRENCH RAFALE FOR MULTI-BILLION INDIAN NAVY DEAL
F/A-18E will undergo tests at INS Hansa testing facility of the Indian Navy. Marine Rafale already underwent the tests with INS Hansa earlier this year. The Indian Navy is looking to acquire 26 multi-role fighters for indigenous aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant


New Delhi: Indian Navy is looking for 26 fighter jets on board indigenous INS Vikrant and it is looking to do away with MiG-29Ks owing to several proven concerns. The Navy will commence flight trials with Boeing’s F/A-18E Super Hornets next week at INS Hansa, the shore-based test facility of the Navy in Goa.

In February, the Indian Navy also tested marine Rafale off the Goa coast from INS Hansa using a 283- metre long mock ski-jump platform.

The Block III variant of Super Hornet is essentially in the fray beside Marine Rafale for the Indian Navy’s carrier-capable fighter jets. The Super Hornet is also expected to undergo similar tests later this month. Let’s take a look at the aircraft to undergo trials next week.

What Is F/A-18E Super Hornet?

The Super Hornet is based on McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet and is a naval aircraft suited for operations from aircraft carriers. It is capable of carrying air-to-air missiles and also M-61 Vulcan cannon.

It has a total of 11 weapon stations and also carries the capability of bringing back three times more payload back to the aircraft carrier as compared to its predecessors.

It is designed for high-stress operations and requires minimum support equipment, high mission readiness, and low cost per flight hour.

Combat Capability

F/A-18E is the successor of the battle-tested F/A-18A/B Hornet. The fighter jets were used in Libya during 1986 strikes, where it launched a couple of high-speed anti-radiation missiles (HARMs) against their air defence radars and missile sites.

Comparison Between Rafale And F/A-18E

Apart from its regular size comparison with length, wing area, span, weight, power etc, the dogfight comparison and BVR (Beyond visual range) ratings will be one of the deciding factors besides the trials.

The Super Hornet is equipped with M61A1 Vulcan rotating cannon, while Rafale has GIAT 30M/719B mounted on it with the capability of controlled 0.5 or 1 second bursts. Super Hornet can fire 6,000 rounds per minute against Rafale’s 2,500 RPM.

Rafale is equipped with a primary missile as the multi-target, fire-and-forget, air to air MBDA MICA missile, while Super Hornet has semi-active radar homing Air Intercept Missile (AIM-7 Sparrow) missile.

On the other hand, Rafale has combat-proven better manoeuvrability as compared to Super Hornet.

In BVR air-to-air missile, Rafale has MBDA Meteor, while Super Hornet has AIM-120 AMRAAM.

The range of Rafale is 100 kms in BVR ratings and Super Hornet holds at 75 kms.

Rafale and Super Hornet have more similarities than expected, with the same speed limit of 4,248 km/hour, excellent radars, and operational range among others.

Deciding Factor

It is to be noted that both fighter jets after testing might be likely to give out different results. However, the deciding factor remains their compatibility and serving of purpose with India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, which is likely to become operational by next month. Out of the 26 carrier-based multi-role fighter jets that the Navy is looking to acquire for INS Vikrant, eight are to be used both for flight training and operations.

INS Vikrant is designed as a ski-jump launch ship, unlike many other such carriers, using catapult launch for their jet aircraft.

The aircraft which is finally selected by the Indian Navy must demonstrate the capability of taking off in this style, that is the ski jump fashion while carrying all weapon systems and full fuel load. The aircraft must also be capable of working with the Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR) tech installed on most Indian aircraft carriers.

It is looking for an aircraft capable of delivering nuclear loads, air-launched missiles, and precision-guided bombs.

It is obvious that both the suppliers are expected to offer to make and have already made some modifications to suit the needs of the Indian Navy, however, the final aircraft will be chosen by the Navy as per the outcome of these trials.

How Will American Super Hornet Compete With French Rafale For Multi-Billion Indian Navy Deal

F/A-18E will undergo tests at INS Hansa testing facility of the Indian Navy. Marine Rafale already underwent the tests with INS Hansa earlie...

www.indiandefensenews.in

 

[saketkr]

HOW WILL AMERICAN SUPER HORNET COMPETE WITH FRENCH RAFALE FOR MULTI-BILLION INDIAN NAVY DEAL
F/A-18E will undergo tests at INS Hansa testing facility of the Indian Navy. Marine Rafale already underwent the tests with INS Hansa earlier this year. The Indian Navy is looking to acquire 26 multi-role fighters for indigenous aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant


New Delhi: Indian Navy is looking for 26 fighter jets on board indigenous INS Vikrant and it is looking to do away with MiG-29Ks owing to several proven concerns. The Navy will commence flight trials with Boeing’s F/A-18E Super Hornets next week at INS Hansa, the shore-based test facility of the Navy in Goa.

In February, the Indian Navy also tested marine Rafale off the Goa coast from INS Hansa using a 283- metre long mock ski-jump platform.

The Block III variant of Super Hornet is essentially in the fray beside Marine Rafale for the Indian Navy’s carrier-capable fighter jets. The Super Hornet is also expected to undergo similar tests later this month. Let’s take a look at the aircraft to undergo trials next week.

What Is F/A-18E Super Hornet?

The Super Hornet is based on McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet and is a naval aircraft suited for operations from aircraft carriers. It is capable of carrying air-to-air missiles and also M-61 Vulcan cannon.

It has a total of 11 weapon stations and also carries the capability of bringing back three times more payload back to the aircraft carrier as compared to its predecessors.

It is designed for high-stress operations and requires minimum support equipment, high mission readiness, and low cost per flight hour.

Combat Capability

F/A-18E is the successor of the battle-tested F/A-18A/B Hornet. The fighter jets were used in Libya during 1986 strikes, where it launched a couple of high-speed anti-radiation missiles (HARMs) against their air defence radars and missile sites.

Comparison Between Rafale And F/A-18E

Apart from its regular size comparison with length, wing area, span, weight, power etc, the dogfight comparison and BVR (Beyond visual range) ratings will be one of the deciding factors besides the trials.

The Super Hornet is equipped with M61A1 Vulcan rotating cannon, while Rafale has GIAT 30M/719B mounted on it with the capability of controlled 0.5 or 1 second bursts. Super Hornet can fire 6,000 rounds per minute against Rafale’s 2,500 RPM.

Rafale is equipped with a primary missile as the multi-target, fire-and-forget, air to air MBDA MICA missile, while Super Hornet has semi-active radar homing Air Intercept Missile (AIM-7 Sparrow) missile.

On the other hand, Rafale has combat-proven better manoeuvrability as compared to Super Hornet.

In BVR air-to-air missile, Rafale has MBDA Meteor, while Super Hornet has AIM-120 AMRAAM.

The range of Rafale is 100 kms in BVR ratings and Super Hornet holds at 75 kms.

Rafale and Super Hornet have more similarities than expected, with the same speed limit of 4,248 km/hour, excellent radars, and operational range among others.

Deciding Factor

It is to be noted that both fighter jets after testing might be likely to give out different results. However, the deciding factor remains their compatibility and serving of purpose with India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, which is likely to become operational by next month. Out of the 26 carrier-based multi-role fighter jets that the Navy is looking to acquire for INS Vikrant, eight are to be used both for flight training and operations.

INS Vikrant is designed as a ski-jump launch ship, unlike many other such carriers, using catapult launch for their jet aircraft.

The aircraft which is finally selected by the Indian Navy must demonstrate the capability of taking off in this style, that is the ski jump fashion while carrying all weapon systems and full fuel load. The aircraft must also be capable of working with the Short Take-Off But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR) tech installed on most Indian aircraft carriers.

It is looking for an aircraft capable of delivering nuclear loads, air-launched missiles, and precision-guided bombs.

It is obvious that both the suppliers are expected to offer to make and have already made some modifications to suit the needs of the Indian Navy, however, the final aircraft will be chosen by the Navy as per the outcome of these trials.

How Will American Super Hornet Compete With French Rafale For Multi-Billion Indian Navy Deal

F/A-18E will undergo tests at INS Hansa testing facility of the Indian Navy. Marine Rafale already underwent the tests with INS Hansa earlie...

www.indiandefensenews.in

If carrying a nuclear load is a criterion then Super Hornet would be out of the race by default. USA has never agreed to modify their platform to deliver Nuclear Weapons for India. Rafale has enabled that independent choice albeit for a cost. Here Rafale has an unbeatable advantage.

I am not sure if Nuclear load is required for platforms operating from our Aircraft Carriers. In my opinion the stress is on anti-shipping, fleet air defense and near shore attacks on enemy infrastructure. In this case Super Hornet has an advantage over Rafale.

Other determinants may be what Chinese are going to field in IOR and which aircraft/aircraft-package blunts their edge. Super Hornet along with P8i, Predator drones and Romeo helicopters will be a handful to keep the Chinese at bay. This package is also supported by US MIC. My gut feeling says that it would be Super Hornet however much I dislike hitching our cart with USA.

I get a feeling that our Navy is going for Indo-US equipment and Airforce will stay Indo-French. All acquisitions points towards this direction.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

After living for 14 years without helicopter-launched anti-ship cruise missiles, the Indian Navy (IN) will this June re-equip itself with such missiles with the arrival of about 100 units of Kongsberg NSMs that will arm the 24 Lockheed Martin/Sikorsky MH-60R shipborne naval multi-role helicopters that are on order for the IN.

It may be recalled that the IN had MBDA-built Sea Eagle subsonic helicopter-launched anti-ship cruise missiles that were service-inducted back in 1988 and were decommissioned in 2008.

(Source: Trishul-trident)

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Navy successfully test-fires naval anti-ship missile
The Indian Navy Wednesday successfully carried out the maiden test firing of the first indigenously developed naval anti-ship missile from a Seaking helicopter, officials said.

The test was conducted at the Integrated Test Range (ITR) in Odisha’s Balasore.
“This firing is a significant step towards achieving self-reliance in niche missile technology and reaffirms the Indian Navy’s commitment to indigenisation,” said a senior Navy official.

The Indian Navy carried out the test in association with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

On Twitter, the Indian Navy released a brief video of the Seaking 42B helicopter firing the missile.

The test-firing of the new missile came over a month after an anti-ship version of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile was successfully test-fired jointly by the Indian Navy and the Andaman and Nicobar Command.

The Indian Navy has been steadily enhancing its overall combat capability to effectively protect India’s maritime security interests, particularly in the Indian Ocean region.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Tuesday launched two frontline warships of the Indian Navy.

The ships — INS Surat and INS Udaygiri — were launched at the Mazagon Docks Limited (MDL) in Mumbai.

INS Surat is the fourth guided-missile destroyer of the P15B class, while INS Udaygiri is the second stealth frigate of the P17A class.

Indian Navy successfully test-fires naval anti-ship missile

The test was conducted at the Integrated Test Range in Odisha's Balasore.

indianexpress.com

 

[WolfPack86]

BREAKING: Two
@Boeing_In
F/A-18 Super Hornet jets have just landed in Goa for ski-jump trials/demo with the
@IndianNavy
as part of the Multirole Carrier Based Fighter (MRCBF) contest. We wrote about it here:

 

[FalconSlayers]

BREAKING: Two
@Boeing_In
F/A-18 Super Hornet jets have just landed in Goa for ski-jump trials/demo with the
@IndianNavy
as part of the Multirole Carrier Based Fighter (MRCBF) contest. We wrote about it here:

First picture of the Super Hornet over the skies of Goa

 

[swapcv]

First picture of the Super Hornet over the skies of Goa
View attachment 157362

looks like a peacetime loadout, 2 AIM-9X+2 480USG Drop tanks

 

[Blademaster]

looks like a peacetime loadout, 2 AIM-9X+2 480USG Drop tanks

Might be the max ordnance takeoff.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Can some one explain regarding this particular mystery.

Both Vishakhapatnam class and Type-05D displaces similar tonnage but ours has only 32 VLS and the Chinese one has 64 VLS. The question arises

1. Either the design is inefficient in terms of utility of space.
2. Navy doctrine influence
3. Since Indian Navy have limited budget they may add the additional VLS systems during refit in future.

Some one shed light on this.

 

[Blademaster]

Not all countries can afford to put 64 missiles on each boat. Advanced missiles are expensive and they have a limited shelf life. So from a logistics point of view it may not be necessary to put up 64 missiles nor it may be desirable to do so.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Can some one explain regarding this particular mystery.

Both Vishakhapatnam class and Type-05D displaces similar tonnage but ours has only 32 VLS and the Chinese one has 64 VLS. The question arises

1. Either the design is inefficient in terms of utility of space.
2. Navy doctrine influence
3. Since Indian Navy have limited budget they may add the additional VLS systems during refit in future.

Some one shed light on this.

Chinese ships have more surface-to-air missiles packed in