Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Haldilal]

LOL

Why Russia is offering India old submarines

The offer of three or more ex-Soviet submarines in the short term plugs a gap in the missing numbers as the Indian Navy struggles to acquire new units

www.indiatoday.in

Interestingly, the Zvezdochka shipyard made a formal offer for the sale of three Kilo class conventional submarines to India at a token price of one rupee. In a presentation made to Admiral Singh, the Russian side said it wants India to pay only for the approximate $250 million refit cost of each boat (Rs 1,857 crore). India last opted for this acquisition model when it acquired the mothballed former Soviet aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov in 2004, for an eventual refit cost of over $2 billion.

Now my Question?

Is it not possible to have these boats and have refit in India? Russia can be paid for consultancy. Upgrade can be done with many Indian and parts from friendly countries (Russian and non-Russian). It will be cheaper and Indian docks will learn.

Ya'll Nibbiars Russian nahi manage.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

1 . Keep the older Vessel longer in the Services.

2 . A large New Constructions Programme.

3 . Acquire refurbished Vessels.

4 . Step up the IAC programme.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars The current 200 Vessel programme can be traced back to the 90's when the Mlecchas PLAN was taken into consideration. But not that has shifted to the 240 Vessel Programmes. And this can be only achieved within a stipulated time with more proper education running the Vessel classes longer in tje production and with increased capital exposure.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars this is the following I can deduct.

INS Vikramaditya 1 45,000 tons.

INS Vikrant 1 45,000 tons.

Delhi Class Destroyers 3 6,000 tons.

Kolkata Class Destroyers 3 7,400 tons.

Vishakapatanam Class Destroyers 4 7,400 tons.

Project 18 Class Destroyers 6 13,000 tons.

Bharmaputra Class Frigate 3 4,000 tons.

Talwar Class Frigate 10 5,500 tons.

Shivalil Class Frigate 3 6,400 tons.

Nilgiri Class Frigate 7 6,700 tons.

Next Generation Frigate 12 7,000 plus tons.

Kora Class Corvette 4 1,800 tons.

Kamorta Class Corvette 4 3,000 tons.

Abhay Class Replacement 16 around 1,000 tons.

Project 28A 6 3,000 plus tons.

NGMV 6 2,500 to 3,000 tons.

Saryu Class OPV 4 2,300 tons.

Next Generation OPV 12 2,300 tons.

Bangaram Class OPV 4 500 tons.

Car Nicobar Class OPV 14 500 tons.

Kalvari Class SSK 6 2,200 tons.

Sindhugosh Class SSK 2 3,000 tons.

Shishumar Class SSK 2 1,800 tons.

Project 75 I Class SSK 6 3,000 tons.

Project 75 K Class SSK 12 4,500 tons.

Project 75 I Class SSN 6 7,000 tons.

Arihant Class SSBN 4 7,000 tons.

S 5 Class SSBN 4 15,000 tons.

Am I missing anything?.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars this is the following I can deduct.

INS Vikramaditya 1 45,000 tons.

INS Vikrant 1 45,000 tons.

Delhi Class Destroyers 3 6,000 tons.

Kolkata Class Destroyers 3 7,400 tons.

Vishakapatanam Class Destroyers 4 7,400 tons.

Project 18 Class Destroyers 6 13,000 tons.

Bharmaputra Class Frigate 3 4,000 tons.

Talwar Class Frigate 10 5,500 tons.

Shivalil Class Frigate 3 6,400 tons.

Nilgiri Class Frigate 7 6,700 tons.

Next Generation Frigate 12 7,000 plus tons.

Kora Class Corvette 4 1,800 tons.

Kamorta Class Corvette 4 3,000 tons.

Abhay Class Replacement 16 around 1,000 tons.

Project 28A 6 3,000 plus tons.

NGMV 6 2,500 to 3,000 tons.

Saryu Class OPV 4 2,300 tons.

Next Generation OPV 12 2,300 tons.

Bangaram Class OPV 4 500 tons.

Car Nicobar Class OPV 14 500 tons.

Kalvari Class SSK 6 2,200 tons.

Sindhugosh Class SSK 2 3,000 tons.

Shishumar Class SSK 2 1,800 tons.

Project 75 I Class SSK 6 3,000 tons.

Project 75 K Class SSK 12 4,500 tons.

Project 75 I Class SSN 6 7,000 tons.

Arihant Class SSBN 4 7,000 tons.

S 5 Class SSBN 4 15,000 tons.

Am I missing anything?.

Ya'll Nibbiars thats still 158 vessel am I missing some classes. Are minesweeper considered Combatant?.

 

[Marliii]

Ya'll Nibbiars thats still 158 vessel am I missing some classes. Are minesweeper considered Combatant?.

Next generation frigate?

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars this is the following I can deduct.

INS Vikramaditya 1 45,000 tons.

INS Vikrant 1 45,000 tons.

Delhi Class Destroyers 3 6,000 tons.

Kolkata Class Destroyers 3 7,400 tons.

Vishakapatanam Class Destroyers 4 7,400 tons.

Project 18 Class Destroyers 6 13,000 tons.

Bharmaputra Class Frigate 3 4,000 tons.

Talwar Class Frigate 10 5,500 tons.

Shivalil Class Frigate 3 6,400 tons.

Nilgiri Class Frigate 7 6,700 tons.

Next Generation Frigate 12 7,000 plus tons.

Kora Class Corvette 4 1,800 tons.

Kamorta Class Corvette 4 3,000 tons.

Abhay Class Replacement 16 around 1,000 tons.

Project 28A 6 3,000 plus tons.

NGMV 6 2,500 to 3,000 tons.

Saryu Class OPV 4 2,300 tons.

Next Generation OPV 12 2,300 tons.

Bangaram Class OPV 4 500 tons.

Car Nicobar Class OPV 14 500 tons.

Kalvari Class SSK 6 2,200 tons.

Sindhugosh Class SSK 2 3,000 tons.

Shishumar Class SSK 2 1,800 tons.

Project 75 I Class SSK 6 3,000 tons.

Project 75 K Class SSK 12 4,500 tons.

Project 75 I Class SSN 6 7,000 tons.

Arihant Class SSBN 4 7,000 tons.

S 5 Class SSBN 4 15,000 tons.

Am I missing anything?.

Ya'll Nibbiars

Costal Submarine 2 700 tons.

Veer Class Corvette's 2 700 tons.

And I think this is also considered the Combatant.

Mine Warfare Vessels 24 1,500 tons.

And heard of a Follow on to the Car Nicobar Class OPV that will replace the Veer by role of patrolling 18 to 24 planned but never seen any document supporting that.

 

[sorcerer]

KEEL LAYING CEREMONY FOR 1st WARSHIP OF ASW SHALLOW WATER CRAFT PROJECT AND 3rd WARSHIP OF SURVEY VESSEL LARGE PROJECT


Posted On: 06 AUG 2021 6:24PM by PIB Delhi



Keels of the first warship of the Anti-Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Craft (ASWSWC) project and the third warship of Survey Vessel Large (SVL) project for the Indian Navy were laid virtually on 06 Aug 2021 by VAdm SN Ghormade, Vice Chief of Naval Staff. The ships are being built by GRSE as part of the indigenous shipbuilding program for construction of eight ASWSWC and four SVL for the Indian Navy. The ships are partly being built under a unique Public Private Partnership model by GRSE at L&T Shipyard, Kattupalli. The Keel Laying is a major milestone activity in the shipbuilding process and indicates the amalgamation of various blocks towards construction of a ship.


VAdm Kiran Deshmukh, CWP&A, RAdm GK Harish, DGND (SSG), RAdmVKSaxena (Retd), CMD/GRSE, and other senior officials of the Indian Navy and GRSE were also present.


Speaking on the occasion, the Chief Guest appreciated the efforts put in by GRSE and L&T in achieving this milestone despite COVID constraints and resultant lockdowns. He called it a noteworthy achievement by the Shipyard and commended the professionalism displayed by all. He highlighted that construction of these vessels is a major boost for AtmaNirbhar Bharat and India’s ‘Make in India’ commitment with most of the weapons, sensors and equipment being indigenous.


He added that the ASW Shallow Water Craft equipped with state-of-the-art underwater sensors and weapons will boost the Navy’s ASW capability. The SVL ships capable of full-scale coastal survey, deep-water Hydrographic survey and determination of Navigational channels/ routes will also be fitted with state of art equipment.


Highlighting various challenges faced by the Shipyard in executing this complex shipbuilding project CMD-GRSE stated that despite challenges posed by the ongoing pandemic, production of the ships continued by utilisation of innovative solutions. He thanked the Indian Navy for their unstinted support and reiterated GRSE’s commitment to cater for the requirement of modern surface fleets.

ABBB/VM/PS

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

LOL

Why Russia is offering India old submarines

The offer of three or more ex-Soviet submarines in the short term plugs a gap in the missing numbers as the Indian Navy struggles to acquire new units

www.indiatoday.in

Interestingly, the Zvezdochka shipyard made a formal offer for the sale of three Kilo class conventional submarines to India at a token price of one rupee. In a presentation made to Admiral Singh, the Russian side said it wants India to pay only for the approximate $250 million refit cost of each boat (Rs 1,857 crore). India last opted for this acquisition model when it acquired the mothballed former Soviet aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov in 2004, for an eventual refit cost of over $2 billion.

Now my Question?

Is it not possible to have these boats and have refit in India? Russia can be paid for consultancy. Upgrade can be done with many Indian parts, equipments and parts from friendly countries (Russian and non-Russian). It will be cheaper and Indian docks will learn.

Russkies won't agree, even if they do, something like this is bound to happen.

Russia delayed sub refit to weaken shipyard?

Work extension by Russian experts delays submarine overhaul by years

www.google.com

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars this is the following I can deduct.

INS Vikramaditya 1 45,000 tons.

INS Vikrant 1 45,000 tons.

Delhi Class Destroyers 3 6,000 tons.

Kolkata Class Destroyers 3 7,400 tons.

Vishakapatanam Class Destroyers 4 7,400 tons.

Project 18 Class Destroyers 6 13,000 tons.

Bharmaputra Class Frigate 3 4,000 tons.

Talwar Class Frigate 10 5,500 tons.

Shivalil Class Frigate 3 6,400 tons.

Nilgiri Class Frigate 7 6,700 tons.

Next Generation Frigate 12 7,000 plus tons.

Kora Class Corvette 4 1,800 tons.

Kamorta Class Corvette 4 3,000 tons.

Abhay Class Replacement 16 around 1,000 tons.

Project 28A 6 3,000 plus tons.

NGMV 6 2,500 to 3,000 tons.

Saryu Class OPV 4 2,300 tons.

Next Generation OPV 12 2,300 tons.

Bangaram Class OPV 4 500 tons.

Car Nicobar Class OPV 14 500 tons.

Kalvari Class SSK 6 2,200 tons.

Sindhugosh Class SSK 2 3,000 tons.

Shishumar Class SSK 2 1,800 tons.

Project 75 I Class SSK 6 3,000 tons.

Project 75 K Class SSK 12 4,500 tons.

Project 75 I Class SSN 6 7,000 tons.

Arihant Class SSBN 4 7,000 tons.

S 5 Class SSBN 4 15,000 tons.

Am I missing anything?.

Ya'll Nibbiars thats still 158 vessel am I missing some classes. Are minesweeper considered Combatant?.

Ya'll Nibbiars

Costal Submarine 2 700 tons.

Veer Class Corvette's 2 700 tons.

And I think this is also considered the Combatant.

Mine Warfare Vessels 24 1,500 tons.

And heard of a Follow on to the Car Nicobar Class OPV that will replace the Veer by role of patrolling 18 to 24 planned but never seen any document supporting that.

Ya'll Nibbiars and I forgetton the Ampibious warfare vessels.

Shardul Class Tank Landing Ship 3 5,700 tons.

Magar Class Tank Landing Ship 1 5,700 tons.

LCU MK 4 8 1,100 tons.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Next generation frigate?

Follow on of the P17A Niligiri class frigates. It already be in the works and actual renders might be released once construction somewhere around 2026-27.

 

[Gessler]

Follow on of the P17A Niligiri class frigates.

We don't know that.

Whether the NGF will be a P17A follow-on or not will depend on the way the surface ship doctrine of IN evolves.

If what I think is right and NGD/P-18 really turns out to be a AAW/Land attack-focused destroyer, then chances are low that NGF would be a P17A follow-on. That is to say, a multi-purpose frigate that spreads combat load on ASW, AAW & ASuW equally.

AAW-focused NGD would mean NGF can be designed from ground-up to be leaning more toward ASW & perhaps ASuW.

That would make it a clean sheet design (or at least, heavily modified) and the resulting equation would be very similar to that between Type 45 destroyer & Type 26 frigate of Royal Navy (or Hobart-class DDG & Hunter-class FFG of RAN).

 

[Haldilal]

We don't know that.

Whether the NGF will be a P17A follow-on or not will depend on the way the surface ship doctrine of IN evolves.

If what I think is right and NGD/P-18 really turns out to be a AAW/Land attack-focused destroyer, then chances are low that NGF would be a P17A follow-on. That is to say, a multi-purpose frigate that spreads combat load on ASW, AAW & ASuW equally.

AAW-focused NGD would mean NGF can be designed from ground-up to be leaning more toward ASW & perhaps ASuW.

That would make it a clean sheet design (or at least, heavily modified) and the resulting equation would be very similar to that between Type 45 destroyer & Type 26 frigate of Royal Navy (or Hobart-class DDG & Hunter-class FFG of RAN).

Ya'll Nibbiars Shant. Abhi tak namkaran nahi hua aur career decide karne lage.

 

[Cheran]

Hello experts, i am looking for some materials on the discussion of "Should we have more aircraft carriers" versus "We should concentrate more on submarines/destroyers/etc". Appreciate, if in case already discussed on this forum, to point to the resources.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Vikrant, nuclear submarine commissioning to ring in 75th Independence anniversary celebrations

India’s first indigenously built aircraft carrier, the Vikrant, and second indigenous ballistic missile submarine, the S3, are to make a powerful case for Aatmanirbhar Bharat

www.indiatoday.in

 

[sorcerer]

Indian Navy undertakes bilateral exercise ‘Zayed Talwar 2021’ with UAE Navy - NewsOnAIR -


Indian Navy undertook bilateral exercise ‘Zayed Talwar 2021’ with UAE Navy on Saturday off the coast of Abu Dhabi.


INS Kochi, with two integral Sea King MK 42B helicopters, deployed in the Persian Gulf, participated in the exercise.


UAE participated with UAES AL – Dhafra, a Baynunah class guided missile corvette and one AS – 565B Panther helicopter.

Indian Navy undertakes bilateral exercise ‘Zayed Talwar 2021’ with UAE Navy - NewsOnAIR -

Indian Navy undertook bilateral exercise ‘Zayed Talwar 2021’ with UAE Navy on Saturday off the coast of Abu Dhabi. INS Kochi, with two integral Sea King MK 42B helicopters, deployed in the Persian Gulf, participated in the exercise. UAE participated with UAES AL – Dhafra, a Baynunah class guided...

newsonair.com

 

[sorcerer]

Indian navy in Brunei to enhance ties
August 8, 2021

Two Indian naval ships, INS Shivalik and INS Kadmatt will visit the country from tomorrow to August 12 to bolster strong bonds of friendship between India and Brunei Darussalam.​

The Indian navy ships’ crew will discuss enhancing cooperation and inter-operability with the Royal Brunei Navy.​

High Commissioner of India to Brunei Darussalam Ajaneesh Kumar will address the media during a ceremony at the Muara Port tomorrow.​

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Indian navy in Brunei to enhance ties » Borneo Bulletin Online

<p>Two Indian naval ships, INS Shivalik and INS Kadmatt will visit the country from tomorrow to August 12 to bolster strong bonds of friendship between India and Brunei Darussalam. The Indian navy ships’ crew will discuss enhancing cooperation and inter-operability with the Royal Brunei Navy...

borneobulletin.com.bn

 

[Haldilal]

Submarines ,guided missile corvette's , air defemce corvette's , destroyers and submarines should be main policy instead of aircraft carrier .
Army to alag hi hai, god knows how many type of ammunition they use , war ke time me logistics ki gand faat jayegi.
Iaf should upgrade those fuckkng flankers , for God's sake.
You can't take tejas delivery , amca bohot door hai , 36 Rafaels se kuch nai hoga , atleast upgrade the flankers.

Ya'll Nibbiars see again what I written in the in this thread that is going to happen. And also Submarine deal would be fast tracked like the Rafale but build in India and also I think the Russian would chosen due to the cost and the VLS.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Ya'll Nibbiars see again what I written in the in this thread that is going to happen. And also Submarine deal would be fast tracked like the Rafale but build in India and also I think the Russian would chosen due to the cost and the VLS.

Amur class ?

 

[Gandaberunda]

Amur class ?

Russian offer of 6+2 Amur 650 with AIP and VLS ( brahmos). France Naval group offer 6 Extended scorpene or newly designed for Indian navy SMX 3.0 with AIP and VLS.
Navy choice is SMX 3.0 so as a continuation of scorpenes.

Both russians and french have extended to help design and build Indigenous SSN program