Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Lonewolf]

I hear the USN might be interested in the Naval version of the LCA for training pilots on a supersonic trainer, they are retiring the goshawk and the Talon.

If we can make a catapult version of it

 

[Chinmoy]

But thst would mean our own capability are never developed in designing a vessel , but time is running out for us ,so the fastest route should be taken

Naval Design Bureau is involved in designing and indigenization of subs too. But unlike the surface ships, they have not yet designed a complete inhouse design.

Time was never on our side, but equally economy was also not on our side and even now it is not their. So to save time, we can't gamble on billion dollar project.

 

[Lonewolf]

Naval Design Bureau is involved in designing and indigenization of subs too. But unlike the surface ships, they have not yet designed a complete inhouse design.

Time was never on our side, but equally economy was also not on our side and even now it is not their. So to save time, we can't gamble on billion dollar project.

Do you have any info on development about p 75 i ,can it be scorpene based ??

Chances are slim but still my wishful thinking led me to ask this .

 

[fire starter]

Naval Design Bureau is involved in designing and indigenization of subs too. But unlike the surface ships, they have not yet designed a complete inhouse design.

Time was never on our side, but equally economy was also not on our side and even now it is not their. So to save time, we can't gamble on billion dollar project.

You mean priorities right. Are you sure that they have absorbed the TOT of scorpene or they didn't even need it. Heck even the bankrupt countries are now developing their own submarine, fifth gen aircraft and what not.

 

[Lonewolf]

You mean priorities right. Are you sure that they have absorbed the TOT of scorpene or they didn't even need it. Heck even the bankrupt countries are now developing their own submarine, fifth gen aircraft and what not.

You mean turkey ?

 

[Vamsi]

Naval Design Bureau is involved in designing and indigenization of subs too. But unlike the surface ships, they have not yet designed a complete inhouse design.

Time was never on our side, but equally economy was also not on our side and even now it is not their. So to save time, we can't gamble on billion dollar project.

Aren't P-75A SSN's supposed to be complete inhouse design ?

 

[Chinmoy]

Do you have any info on development about p 75 i ,can it be scorpene based ??

Chances are slim but still my wishful thinking led me to ask this .

Logic says that it should be based on Scorpene, but there are 4 designs on fray. So can't say as of now.

 

[Chinmoy]

You mean priorities right. Are you sure that they have absorbed the TOT of scorpene or they didn't even need it. Heck even the bankrupt countries are now developing their own submarine, fifth gen aircraft and what not.

TOT is for industries, not design bureau. Naval design bureau is engaged with designing ships with design inputs to suit us and as per our need. They are concerned with bringing in indigenous systems wherever necessary.

Comparison in between nations at the drop of hat is not the right way to gauge potential.

 

[Chinmoy]

Aren't P-75A SSN's supposed to be complete inhouse design ?

No. Why you think we have visited Naval group recently?

 

[Lonewolf]

No. Why you think we have visited Naval group recently?

Here goes our indigenization and all in drain if it's just direct assembly .

Or is it just technical help ?

We do have our pumpjet in development , reactor too .
what would the help in hydrodynamic studies ? Layout ? Reactor ? Or all?

 

[Chinmoy]

Here goes our indigenization and all in drain if it's just direct assembly .

Or is it just technical help ?

We do have our pumpjet in development , reactor too .
what would the help in hydrodynamic studies ? Layout ? Reactor ? Or all?

I don't understand this crying about of indigenous in each and every thing.

You can't make a plane, a ship or a sub with complete indigenous tech. Let this sink in. We do go for a few ships of the same class as compared to others. The reason for this being, our ship building industries can't churn out 2 to 3 ships from the same dockyard in a year. So by the time we complete the last ship of the class, the first ship needs to go to refit. So the logical step is what IN is following.
In this scenario, the most logical step is to go for proven design which would cut down on effort and money. Look at IAC1. We are building it for more then a decade. Do you want same with the subs?

As far as I've heard, the 6 subs would come with pumpjet propulsion and AIP which is an improvement over the existing Scorpene class. So this is more of a logical step to ramp up your strength instead of going for a complete indigenous design and waste valuable time behind it.

 

[Lonewolf]

I don't understand this crying about of indigenous in each and every thing.

You can't make a plane, a ship or a sub with complete indigenous tech. Let this sink in. We do go for a few ships of the same class as compared to others. The reason for this being, our ship building industries can't churn out 2 to 3 ships from the same dockyard in a year. So by the time we complete the last ship of the class, the first ship needs to go to refit. So the logical step is what IN is following.
In this scenario, the most logical step is to go for proven design which would cut down on effort and money. Look at IAC1. We are building it for more then a decade. Do you want same with the subs?

As far as I've heard, the 6 subs would come with pumpjet propulsion and AIP which is an improvement over the existing Scorpene class. So this is more of a logical step to ramp up your strength instead of going for a complete indigenous design and waste valuable time behind it.

Aip ,ssn ?????

I was talking about ssn ,if it will be barracuda class or inspired by barracuda class

 

[fire starter]

I don't understand this crying about of indigenous in each and every thing.

You can't make a plane, a ship or a sub with complete indigenous tech. Let this sink in. We do go for a few ships of the same class as compared to others. The reason for this being, our ship building industries can't churn out 2 to 3 ships from the same dockyard in a year. So by the time we complete the last ship of the class, the first ship needs to go to refit. So the logical step is what IN is following.
In this scenario, the most logical step is to go for proven design which would cut down on effort and money. Look at IAC1. We are building it for more then a decade. Do you want same with the subs?

As far as I've heard, the 6 subs would come with pumpjet propulsion and AIP which is an improvement over the existing Scorpene class. So this is more of a logical step to ramp up your strength instead of going for a complete indigenous design and waste valuable time behind it.

It seems that we have to go a long way in ship building.

 

[Chinmoy]

Aip ,ssn ?????

I was talking about ssn ,if it will be barracuda class or inspired by barracuda class

I am talking about the 6 SSK which has been approved.

 

[WolfPack86]

DEADLY 'ROMEOS' HELICOPTERS COMING TO INDIA! INDIAN NAVY GETS FIRST MH-60RS
According to officers, the Indian Navy is going to receive the fourth -generation MH-60Rs `Romeos’ helicopters. The pilots and ground crew from the Indian Navy are already in the US undergoing training. They will return with the new MH-60Rs


The first three out 24 MH-60R Seahawks are expected to be delivered next month. Sources have confirmed to Financial Express Online that “Dates are in the process of being confirmed for delivering the helicopters to the Indian Mission in the US. After which they will be sent to India.”

The pilots and ground crew from the Indian Navy are already in the US undergoing training. They will return with the new MH-60Rs.

For the balance of the helicopters, the delivery will be as per the timeline stated in the contract inked between the governments of India and US. The 24 helicopters are coming through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route and are for approximately USD 2.6 billion. These helicopters are going to help the Indian Navy play a critical role in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR).

What Is Indian Navy Going To Get?

According to the contract, the package includes spare parts, air-to-ground weapons support and training of pilots and ground crew. The training is already going on as reported earlier.

Due to the global shut down in 2020 because of the COVID-19 pandemic, the process of training had been delayed. And once the world started opening gradually, the team left for the US to be trained.

When Was The Deal Approved?

In 2020, the deal got the stamp of approval by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) last year in February before the former US President Donald Trump’s arrival in New Delhi.

Who Spearheaded The Talks For MH-60R?

The talks for these helicopters was spearheaded by Dr Vivek Lall, who was then the Vice President of Strategy and Business Development at Lockheed Martin. He has been credited to have played a very significant role in the military trade between US and India.

In an earlier interaction with Financial Express Online, Dr Lall had said about these helicopters that, “These helicopters will provide a vital capability for the Indian Navy in the Indo-Pacific region.”

According to officers, the Indian Navy is going to receive the fourth -generation MH-60Rs `Romeos’ helicopters.

These helicopters are going to be loaded with torpedoes and missiles and these missiles are going to be used in anti-submarine roles.

The delivery of these helicopters will be completed in five years from the time the deal was inked.

As reported earlier, these helicopters will replace the British Sea King helicopters.

The Defence Acquisition Council had put its stamp of approval in 2018.

Eye In The Sky

MH-60Rs `Romeos’ helicopters when combined with the already being operated Boeing’s P8-I by the Indian Navy will help submarine hunting grow stronger when combined with these helicopters.

And soon the Indian Navy will be getting Sea Guardian Drones from the US based General Atomics.

Modifications

The US based Lockheed Martin Company will be modifying the helicopters as per Indian specifications. And these modifications will be carried out in Owego, New York; and Stratford, Connecticut, based facilities of Lockheed Martin.

What India is going to receive are three helicopters which were meant for the US Navy and is a naval version of Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk and a member of the Sikorsky S-70 family.

The modification will include the folding main rotor and a hinged tail, which will help in reducing the footprint on board the ships.

These helicopters have the capability of handling the anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASUW) operations. They can also be used in search and rescue (SAR), as well as combat search and rescue (CSAR), naval special warfare (NSW) insertion, vertical replenishment (VERTREP), and medical evacuation (MEDEVAC).

Deadly 'Romeos' Helicopters Coming To India! Indian Navy Gets First MH-60Rs

According to officers, the Indian Navy is going to receive the fourth -generation MH-60Rs `Romeos’ helicopters. The pilots and ground crew f...

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[Jimih]

 

[sorcerer]

INDO-THAI COORDINATED PATROL (CORPAT)


Posted On: 09 JUN 2021 1:09PM by PIB Delhi



The 31stedition of India-Thailand Coordinated Patrol (Indo-Thai CORPAT) between the Indian Navyand the Royal Thai Navyis being conducted from 09 – 11 June 2021. Indian Naval Ship (INS) Saryu, an indigenously built Naval Offshore Patrol Vessel and His Majesty’s Thailand Ship (HTMS) Krabi, anOffshore Patrol Vessel, along with Dornier Maritime Patrol Aircraft from both navies are participating in the CORPAT.


Towards reinforcing maritime links between the two countries and with an aim of keeping this vital part of the Indian Ocean safe and secure for international trade, the two navies have been undertakingCORPATbi-annually along their International Maritime Boundary Line (IMBL) since 2005. CORPAT builds up understanding and interoperability between navies and facilitates institution of measures to prevent and suppress unlawful activities like Illegal Unreported Unregulated (IUU) fishing, drug trafficking, maritime terrorism, armed robbery and piracy. It further helps enhance the operational synergy by exchange of information for prevention of smuggling, illegal immigration and forconduct of SAR operations at sea.


As part of Government of India’s vision of SAGAR (Security And Growth for All in the Region), the Indian Navy has been proactively engaging with the countries in the Indian Ocean Region towards enhancing regional maritime security. This has been through bilateral and multilateral exercises, Coordinated Patrols, Joint EEZ Surveillance, andHumanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR) operations.The Indian Navy and Royal Thai Navy have especially enjoyed a close and friendly relationship covering a wide spectrum of activities and interactions, which have strengthened over the years.


The 31stIndo-Thai CORPAT will contribute towards Indian Navy’s efforts to consolidate inter-operability and forge strong bonds of friendship with Royal Thai Navy.

File Photos of Earlier Editions of Indo Thai Corpat

 

[laughingbuddha]

INDO-THAI COORDINATED PATROL (CORPAT)


Posted On: 09 JUN 2021 1:09PM by PIB Delhi



The 31stedition of India-Thailand Coordinated Patrol (Indo-Thai CORPAT) between the Indian Navyand the Royal Thai Navyis being conducted from 09 – 11 June 2021. Indian Naval Ship (INS) Saryu, an indigenously built Naval Offshore Patrol Vessel and His Majesty’s Thailand Ship (HTMS) Krabi, anOffshore Patrol Vessel, along with Dornier Maritime Patrol Aircraft from both navies are participating in the CORPAT.


Towards reinforcing maritime links between the two countries and with an aim of keeping this vital part of the Indian Ocean safe and secure for international trade, the two navies have been undertakingCORPATbi-annually along their International Maritime Boundary Line (IMBL) since 2005. CORPAT builds up understanding and interoperability between navies and facilitates institution of measures to prevent and suppress unlawful activities like Illegal Unreported Unregulated (IUU) fishing, drug trafficking, maritime terrorism, armed robbery and piracy. It further helps enhance the operational synergy by exchange of information for prevention of smuggling, illegal immigration and forconduct of SAR operations at sea.


As part of Government of India’s vision of SAGAR (Security And Growth for All in the Region), the Indian Navy has been proactively engaging with the countries in the Indian Ocean Region towards enhancing regional maritime security. This has been through bilateral and multilateral exercises, Coordinated Patrols, Joint EEZ Surveillance, andHumanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR) operations.The Indian Navy and Royal Thai Navy have especially enjoyed a close and friendly relationship covering a wide spectrum of activities and interactions, which have strengthened over the years.


The 31stIndo-Thai CORPAT will contribute towards Indian Navy’s efforts to consolidate inter-operability and forge strong bonds of friendship with Royal Thai Navy.

File Photos of Earlier Editions of Indo Thai Corpat

Brahmaputra looks ancient next to the foreign ship.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Don't see much in here to suggest a ship much bigger than a Steregushchiy-class. Either way its speculation, and I like to err on the safe/conservative side.

Ugly water marking

 

[Akula]

Ugly water marking

TRISHUL BLOG is famous for the watermark.