Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[THESIS THORON]

All kind of batteries catch fire. You can find similar videos for normal Li ion batteries too.

TILL NOW I THOUGHT LIPO BATTERIES ARE HIGHLY FLAMMABLE BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE FALSE

THIS MIGHT HELP YOU

 

[Lonewolf]

No battery can provide you unlimited power ,it can be perpetual motion but laws of physics will be defied if something provide infinite power

 

[Jimih]

 

[SUPERPOWER]

22 years...

 

[Starlight]

We have Li-Polymer batteries too beside normal Li-Ion. LiPo batteries have much better endurance and charge retaining capacity then normal Li-Ion one. Why don't we use LiPo for large scale use?

Regenerative Silicone Crystalline Graphite batteries are solid state batteries. They don't catch fire. Li-po batteries melt and are very susceptible to burning and short curcuits. The SiC batteries are extremely stable and their power regeneration is superfast.

 

[Lonewolf]

If scorpene based design is chosen then time will shrink .

Possible contender

1. Barracuda short fin - pump jet propulsion , 4500 t (too heavy ) ,no vls but 8* 21inch torpedo tubes with 28 torpedo + harpoon,80 days endurance ,but batteries are lead acid batteries , and aip is not much better than drdo one ,

2. Type 214 - no pump jet ,no vls ,1800t ,one kf the best aip ,endurance 84 days ,8*21 inch tt ,12 torpedo only +4 harpoon .

3.amur class - almost 1000 t or 1800 t , 4*21 inch /6 tt , 16 torpedo , 8 vls , endurance 45 days to 70 days depending on version ,aip optional ,future improvement envisaged ,due to being russian product timeline are shady .

4.scorpene with indigenous aip ,vls compartment and pumpjet , almost 2400-2700 t , 80 days endurance ,6*21 inch tt ,18 torpedo ,aip indigenous ,faster construction , improvement in equipment with latest tech ,vls addition possible .


So best option are amur or scorpene indigenous , barracuda short fin is too expensive won't fit kn budget ,also too heavy , capability are good but no vls addition possible .

 

[Starlight]

If scorpene based design is chosen then time will shrink .

Possible contender

1. Barracuda short fin - pump jet propulsion , 4500 t (too heavy ) ,no vls but 8* 21inch torpedo tubes with 28 torpedo + harpoon,80 days endurance ,but batteries are lead acid batteries , and aip is not much better than drdo one ,

2. Type 214 - no pump jet ,no vls ,1800t ,one kf the best aip ,endurance 84 days ,8*21 inch tt ,12 torpedo only +4 harpoon .

3.amur class - almost 1000 t or 1800 t , 4*21 inch /6 tt , 16 torpedo , 8 vls , endurance 45 days to 70 days depending on version ,aip optional ,future improvement envisaged ,due to being russian product timeline are shady .

4.scorpene with indigenous aip ,vls compartment and pumpjet , almost 2400-2700 t , 80 days endurance ,6*21 inch tt ,18 torpedo ,aip indigenous ,faster construction , improvement in equipment with latest tech ,vls addition possible .


So best option are amur or scorpene indigenous , barracuda short fin is too expensive won't fit kn budget ,also too heavy , capability are good but no vls addition possible .

Scorpene and Barracuda all the way!

 

[Lonewolf]

Scorpene and Barracuda all the way!

Barracuda no , scorpene yes ,barracuda is too much expensive ,you can't make it in our proposed budget

 

[Starlight]

Barracuda no , scorpene yes ,barracuda is too much expensive ,you can't make it in our proposed budget

DCNS Barracuda submarine to be studied and then we base our SSNs on the design to keep current comanality with the Scorpene class underway with IN.

 

[Jimih]

If scorpene based design is chosen then time will shrink .

Possible contender

1. Barracuda short fin - pump jet propulsion , 4500 t (too heavy ) ,no vls but 8* 21inch torpedo tubes with 28 torpedo + harpoon,80 days endurance ,but batteries are lead acid batteries , and aip is not much better than drdo one ,

2. Type 214 - no pump jet ,no vls ,1800t ,one kf the best aip ,endurance 84 days ,8*21 inch tt ,12 torpedo only +4 harpoon .

3.amur class - almost 1000 t or 1800 t , 4*21 inch /6 tt , 16 torpedo , 8 vls , endurance 45 days to 70 days depending on version ,aip optional ,future improvement envisaged ,due to being russian product timeline are shady .

4.scorpene with indigenous aip ,vls compartment and pumpjet , almost 2400-2700 t , 80 days endurance ,6*21 inch tt ,18 torpedo ,aip indigenous ,faster construction , improvement in equipment with latest tech ,vls addition possible .


So best option are amur or scorpene indigenous , barracuda short fin is too expensive won't fit kn budget ,also too heavy , capability are good but no vls addition possible .

Always have doubts in Submarines from NATO countries.

Will go with Amur class.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Barracuda no , scorpene yes ,barracuda is too much expensive ,you can't make it in our proposed budget

barracuda is ssn, short fin barracuda is ssk

 

[THESIS THORON]

DCNS Barracuda submarine to be studied and then we base our SSNs on the design to keep current comanality with the Scorpene class underway with IN.

i thought akula was studied thats why it was leased

 

[Lonewolf]

barracuda is ssn, short fin barracuda is ssk

I know that ,i wrote shortfin in my post above , but shortfin is way too expensive than any other competition

 

[Lonewolf]

Don't you guys feel ,these projects are way too expensive ,we almost pay 1.4 times for a submarine.tot and being build here , this is really least cost saving way of ours .

@Chinmoy do you know whether we have a indigenous design in works or designing phase .

This tot and license building is costing too much , we could have built 9 submarine at cost of 6 if design was indigenous , but what can we do , navy don't want it , neither we were capable in past , this p 75 i should be last of import .

 

[Vinod DX9]

P-75I amd possible contenders

 

[Gessler]

What I consider to be a very realistic assessment of what kind of force structure the Indian Navy is aiming for in the long-run. Note that 1) new ships will be replacing old classes 2) I'm not counting any fictional boats that either do not have approval, or never quoted as existing, or too far away to consider as realistic like IAC-2 or P-28A or P-76 SSP respectively.

34 Major Surface Combatants

• 4 x Project 15B Visakhapatnam-class -- Destroyer
• 3 x Project 15A Kolkata-class -- Destroyer
• 3 x Either/or Project 15 Delhi-class SLEP or Project 18 NGD (1 to 1 replacement possible) -- Destroyer
• 7 x Project 17A Nilgiri-class -- Frigate
• 3 x Project 17 Shivalik-class -- Frigate
• 10 x Talwar/Krivak-II/Adm. Grigorovich-class -- Frigate
• 4 x Project 28 Kamorta-class -- Ocean-going Corvette

52 Minor Surface Combatants

• 7 x NGC -- Corvette
• 6 x NGMV -- Corvette
• 16 x Shallow-water ASW -- Littoral Corvette
• 11 x NGOPV -- Ocean-going OPV
• 4 x Saryu-class -- Ocean-going OPV
• 8 x NG-MCMV -- Minesweeper

2 Aircraft Carriers

• 1 x Vikramaditya -- STOBAR
• 1 x Project 71 Vikrant -- STOBAR

11 Amphibious Warfare Platforms

• 2 x MRSV -- LHD
• 8 x Mk.4 -- LCU
• 1 x Jalashwa -- LPD

13 Nuclear Submarines

• 3 x Arihant-class -- SSBN (later possible SSGN)
• 1 x S4* class -- SSBN
• 3 x S5 class -- SSBN
• 6 x Project 75A/Project 76 -- SSN

12 Diesel Submarines

• 6 x Project 75 Kalvari-class -- SSK (later SSP)
• 6 x Project 75I class -- SSP

Further notes: Not counting any support vessels like tankers, survey ships etc. Wherever possible, I've gone with the more conservative number (like 3 instead of 4 boats each of S-5 SSBN & NGD).

V.2 after taking into account the inputs by several members here, plus making more additions.

34 Major Surface Combatants

• 4 x Project 15B Visakhapatnam-class -- Destroyer
• 3 x Project 15A Kolkata-class -- Destroyer
• 3 x Either/or Project 15 Delhi-class SLEP or Project 18 NGD (1 to 1 replacement possible) -- Destroyer
• 7 x Project 17A Nilgiri-class -- Frigate
• 3 x Project 17 Shivalik-class -- Frigate
• 10 x Talwar/Krivak-II/Adm. Grigorovich-class -- Frigate
• 4 x Project 28 Kamorta-class -- Ocean-going Corvette

52 Minor Surface Combatants

• 7 x NGC -- Corvette
• 6 x NGMV -- Corvette
• 16 x Shallow-water ASW -- Littoral Corvette
• 11 x NGOPV -- Ocean-going OPV
• 4 x Saryu-class -- Ocean-going OPV
• 8 x NG-MCMV -- Minesweeper

2 Aircraft Carriers

• 1 x Vikramaditya -- STOBAR
• 1 x Project 71 Vikrant -- STOBAR

16 Amphibious Warfare Platforms

• 2 x MRSV -- LHD
• 8 x Mk.4 -- LCU
• 1 x Jalashwa -- LPD
• 3 x Shardul-class -- LST
• 2 x Magar-class -- LST

13 Nuclear Submarines

• 3 x Arihant-class -- SSBN (later possible conversion to SSGN)
• 1 x S4* class -- SSBN
• 3 x S5 class -- SSBN
• 6 x Project 75A/Project 76 -- SSN

12 Diesel Submarines

• 6 x Project 75 Kalvari-class -- SSK (later retrofitted to become SSP)
• 6 x Project 75I class -- SSP

9 Support Ships

• 5 x FSS -- Oiler/Fleet Support
• 2 x Deepak-class -- Oiler
• 1 x Aditya-class -- Oiler
• 1 x Komandarm Fedko/Jyoti -- Oiler

17 Special Vessels

• 1 x Dhruv -- MRIS
• 1 x Anvesh -- MRIS
• 4 x GRSE-class -- Hydrographic Survey (likely 4 x more at later stage)
• 1 x Makar-class -- Survey Catamaran
• 2 x DSV -- Diving Support Vessel
• 5 x DSC -- Diving Support Craft
• 2 x DSAR 500L -- Deep Submarine Rescue
• 1 x Astradhani -- Torpedo Recovery

Everyone is once again free to contribute/suggest changes & corrections. IN programs are a chore to effectively keep track of...for example till the point I sat down for this I was sure as sunrise that we had 1 more Torpedo recovery vessel in construction, apart from INS Astradhani that's already in service. Turns out, there isn't any such program.

 

[ladder]

V.2 after taking into account the inputs by several members here, plus making more additions.

34 Major Surface Combatants

• 4 x Project 15B Visakhapatnam-class -- Destroyer
• 3 x Project 15A Kolkata-class -- Destroyer
• 3 x Either/or Project 15 Delhi-class SLEP or Project 18 NGD (1 to 1 replacement possible) -- Destroyer
• 7 x Project 17A Nilgiri-class -- Frigate
• 3 x Project 17 Shivalik-class -- Frigate
• 10 x Talwar/Krivak-II/Adm. Grigorovich-class -- Frigate
• 4 x Project 28 Kamorta-class -- Ocean-going Corvette

52 Minor Surface Combatants

• 7 x NGC -- Corvette
• 6 x NGMV -- Corvette
• 16 x Shallow-water ASW -- Littoral Corvette
• 11 x NGOPV -- Ocean-going OPV
• 4 x Saryu-class -- Ocean-going OPV
• 8 x NG-MCMV -- Minesweeper

2 Aircraft Carriers

• 1 x Vikramaditya -- STOBAR
• 1 x Project 71 Vikrant -- STOBAR

16 Amphibious Warfare Platforms

• 2 x MRSV -- LHD
• 8 x Mk.4 -- LCU
• 1 x Jalashwa -- LPD
• 3 x Shardul-class -- LST
• 2 x Magar-class -- LST

13 Nuclear Submarines

• 3 x Arihant-class -- SSBN (later possible conversion to SSGN)
• 1 x S4* class -- SSBN
• 3 x S5 class -- SSBN
• 6 x Project 75A/Project 76 -- SSN

12 Diesel Submarines

• 6 x Project 75 Kalvari-class -- SSK (later retrofitted to become SSP)
• 6 x Project 75I class -- SSP

9 Support Ships

• 5 x FSS -- Oiler/Fleet Support
• 2 x Deepak-class -- Oiler
• 1 x Aditya-class -- Oiler
• 1 x Komandarm Fedko/Jyoti -- Oiler

17 Special Vessels

• 1 x Dhruv -- MRIS
• 1 x Anvesh -- MRIS
• 4 x GRSE-class -- Hydrographic Survey (likely 4 x more at later stage)
• 1 x Makar-class -- Survey Catamaran
• 2 x DSV -- Diving Support Vessel
• 5 x DSC -- Diving Support Craft
• 2 x DSAR 500L -- Deep Submarine Rescue
• 1 x Astradhani -- Torpedo Recovery

Everyone is once again free to contribute/suggest changes & corrections. IN programs are a chore to effectively keep track of...for example till the point I sat down for this I was sure as sunrise that we had 1 more Torpedo recovery vessel in construction, apart from INS Astradhani that's already in service. Turns out, there isn't any such program.

Pretty accurate but the timelines of major surface combatants and submarine are at mismatch. The timelines by which all the listed submarines will get inducted more surface combatants would have come aboard.
But which one/ which class? Can't say as nothing has been announced.

 

[flanker99]

V.2 after taking into account the inputs by several members here, plus making more additions.

34 Major Surface Combatants

• 4 x Project 15B Visakhapatnam-class -- Destroyer
• 3 x Project 15A Kolkata-class -- Destroyer
• 3 x Either/or Project 15 Delhi-class SLEP or Project 18 NGD (1 to 1 replacement possible) -- Destroyer
• 7 x Project 17A Nilgiri-class -- Frigate
• 3 x Project 17 Shivalik-class -- Frigate
• 10 x Talwar/Krivak-II/Adm. Grigorovich-class -- Frigate
• 4 x Project 28 Kamorta-class -- Ocean-going Corvette

52 Minor Surface Combatants

• 7 x NGC -- Corvette
• 6 x NGMV -- Corvette
• 16 x Shallow-water ASW -- Littoral Corvette
• 11 x NGOPV -- Ocean-going OPV
• 4 x Saryu-class -- Ocean-going OPV
• 8 x NG-MCMV -- Minesweeper

2 Aircraft Carriers

• 1 x Vikramaditya -- STOBAR
• 1 x Project 71 Vikrant -- STOBAR

16 Amphibious Warfare Platforms

• 2 x MRSV -- LHD
• 8 x Mk.4 -- LCU
• 1 x Jalashwa -- LPD
• 3 x Shardul-class -- LST
• 2 x Magar-class -- LST

13 Nuclear Submarines

• 3 x Arihant-class -- SSBN (later possible conversion to SSGN)
• 1 x S4* class -- SSBN
• 3 x S5 class -- SSBN
• 6 x Project 75A/Project 76 -- SSN

12 Diesel Submarines

• 6 x Project 75 Kalvari-class -- SSK (later retrofitted to become SSP)
• 6 x Project 75I class -- SSP

9 Support Ships

• 5 x FSS -- Oiler/Fleet Support
• 2 x Deepak-class -- Oiler
• 1 x Aditya-class -- Oiler
• 1 x Komandarm Fedko/Jyoti -- Oiler

17 Special Vessels

• 1 x Dhruv -- MRIS
• 1 x Anvesh -- MRIS
• 4 x GRSE-class -- Hydrographic Survey (likely 4 x more at later stage)
• 1 x Makar-class -- Survey Catamaran
• 2 x DSV -- Diving Support Vessel
• 5 x DSC -- Diving Support Craft
• 2 x DSAR 500L -- Deep Submarine Rescue
• 1 x Astradhani -- Torpedo Recovery

Everyone is once again free to contribute/suggest changes & corrections. IN programs are a chore to effectively keep track of...for example till the point I sat down for this I was sure as sunrise that we had 1 more Torpedo recovery vessel in construction, apart from INS Astradhani that's already in service. Turns out, there isn't any such program.

Pretty accurate but i Agree with what ladder said....unless the list is of known future projects for IN....oh and if ur putting kamortas in major Surface Combatants then NGC will belong in the same category and since ngd is included u should include ngf as well requirement is for atleast 10 ngf(from 2018 planner by mod)

 

[Gessler]

Pretty accurate but the timelines of major surface combatants and submarine are at mismatch. The timelines by which all the listed submarines will get inducted more surface combatants would have come aboard.
But which one/ which class? Can't say as nothing has been announced.

Pretty accurate but i Agree with what ladder said....unless the list is of known future projects for IN....oh and if ur putting kamortas in major Surface Combatants then NGC will belong in the same category and since ngd is included u should include ngf as well requirement is for atleast 10 ngf(from 2018 planner by mod)

As I said in my original version, I'm not counting any projects that are an unknown quantity or those of which it's too early to say anything. To quote from my original post:

"I'm not counting any fictional boats that either do not have approval, or never quoted as existing, or too far away to consider as realistic like IAC-2 or P-28A or P-76 SSP respectively."

 

[flanker99]

As I said in my original version, I'm not counting any projects that are an unknown quantity or those of which it's too early to say anything. To quote from my original post:

"I'm not counting any fictional boats that either do not have approval, or never quoted as existing, or too far away to consider as realistic like IAC-2 or P-28A or P-76 SSP respectively."

NGC will be the p28a or it will be called something else .....ngf exists just as much as ngd so if u include one then u should include the other as well.....same goes for indigenous ssn and s5 class ssbn neither have been granted aon but planned like ngd and ngf