Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[FalconSlayers]

Lol only 4 countries in the world right now manufacture carrier borne fighter.

Thats why I said they can now use Russian fighters on their carriers and that too will become unaffordable du to NATO sanctions. Plus if Turkey is planning catapult or EMALS based carrier then they can't use conventional MiG-29K or Su-33 on them, for that they will need to buy Su-57's carrier borne variant as MiG-29K and Su-33 are made for Ski Jump carriers and the latest Su-57 will be catapult launchable. but then Su-57 is expensive as fuck.

This all is not because of S-400 but because Turks support the ISIS directly and attack American allied Kurdish fighters and then Turkey purchased S-400 because of the situation of coup by military remains present in Turkey 24/7 hence a Russian SAM like S-400 with near perfect kill probability and unable to get integrated in NATO SAM network of Turk armed forces being of Russian origin keeps Erdogandu safe as last time AFAIK during a coup attempt an F-16 of Turk airforce literally bombed the Turkish parliament and Turkey had to purchase a non NATO SAM to prevent any further similar coup attempts from their own military as an S-400 is literally bought by Turkey to shoot down their own birds if a coup attempt happens and because of it Turkey is isolated.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

They are US/NATO ghulams technology wise all this while, US fighter jets, US/European jet engines, German Tanks, marine engines also Western, imported ship guns, they do however make their own small arms last i heard, and like us also build their own ships mostly.
Also they have their own drones, and missiles, probably having EU/US subcomponents.





Alhamdulilah sheikh chilly bhaijan, aisa hy hoga in kuffaro kay saath
Aysa hay Khwab -e- Pakistan



jy ha jnab, Ummah -e- Islam he Hendustan se zyada taakatwar, ek musulman hay dus henduo kay barabar, Ma'shallah.

It's hindistan for turkkanlar

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

We are behaving like their is great grand coalition of naval force is formed. Every country has got no issue but got one work to save porkis(for no reason).. Every country wants to fight india in order to safeguard porkis in case of war. Plzz identify who are friend who are our foes.
Turkish navy will be busy in Mediterranean sea but can transfer naval technology to porkis .
Iranian navy real foe are arab not us.
Real threat is pla navy not porkis navy.

Arre bharat ke utthan se har koi dar raha hai .
America me trump hara to kya hua , bharat ka apna social system itna jaldi koi nai tod sakta .
Although , samay ashant hone wala hai lekin bharat vijayi hoga kewal tabhi jab ki humari buraeucracy kewal sangh ke vichardhara se kam kare kam se kam 20 saal , iske paschat parinaam dekhenge .

 

[SavageKing456]

Chill maro yar,Turkey is nothing for us now,Drones like Bayrakhtar are sitting ducks for heavy airspace,that too when it has foreign systems,Turkey is still planning for two aircraft carriers and haven't started work yet,we would get 2 aircraft carriers operational by the end of 2021 and by 2027-30 third and could put blockade easily.
Does Turkey even makes its aircraft like we did for tejas,except assembling f16s?
Drone was nothing,we had superior drone than bayrakhtar-Rustom 1 in 2015s,Rustom 2 had some design problems hence was delayed.
Turkey has still doesn't started the manufacturing for a trainer hurjet,forget about making 5th gen TFX(PIPEDREAM)
we?Made tejas,upgraded it,tejas mk2 metal cutting would start this year itself and would enter production by 2025/2026 and AMCA,ghatak progressing well.
Technologies involved in tejas mk2 gave us experience than what Turkey would have in next 4-5 years.
Missles?
India is rn giving tough competition to China,forget Turkey,lol...

Turkey is a NATO member,they've accessed critical components easily and got technology,while we have to develop it fully still Turkey is behind.

 

[Cruise missile]

Chill maro yar,Turkey is nothing for us now,Drones like Bayrakhtar are sitting ducks for heavy airspace,that too when it has foreign systems,Turkey is still planning for two aircraft carriers and haven't started work yet,we would get 2 aircraft carriers operational by the end of 2021 and by 2027-30 third and could put blockade easily.
Does Turkey even makes its aircraft like we did for tejas,except assembling f16s?
Drone was nothing,we had superior drone than bayrakhtar-Rustom 1 in 2015s,Rustom has some design problems hence was delayed.
Turkey has still doesn't started the manufacturing for a trainer hurjet,forget about making 5th gen TFX(PIPEDREAM)
we?Made tejas,upgraded it,tejas mk2 metal cutting would start this year itself and would enter production by 2025/2026 and AMCA,ghatak progressing well.
Technologies involved in tejas mk2 would gave us experience than what Turkey would have in next 4-5 years

Lmao most of us can't even spot turkey on map so why this all discussion going here.

 

[SKC]

Keep underestimating ur enemies, not every country is India.

Theres nothing related to underestimating our enemy. It is simple economics. As mentioned already, a medium scale carrier will cost ~$10 Billion each. Even smaller Italian design should cost ~$7-8 Billion. Then there are two LHD. Where would they build it and how will they complete it before 2030?

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Real threat is gormint being Ahinsawadi and not willing to use force on threats both foreign and domestic.
PLA Navy wagera sab door ki baat hai.

PLA navy will not have to be involved when they can easily achieve their objectives by squatting on our land and the ambushing out troops with spiked clubs.

Piggies can continue doing jihad-jihad unless they cross a threshold that will force the Sadhu to punish them like they deserve.

Basically fear the threat of 0.5 front rather than the 2 front as that is the main attacking force that china and pak are relying on not just a support force,the 2 front is actually the anvil holding force.0.5 is for weakening India.take that out and think of it like : the enemy loses almost 80 percent of its initiative and stike forces like Germany after operation citadel.

Usa did not get weakened due to a single militry effort of china but the constant decades of 0.5 front damage dealt before trump even came to office,trump was too late even when he came to office,his use was in running interference and to launch landmines in he path of china which he achieved to the best of abilities for us.now we must eliminate the 0.5 front and carry he fight to the Pakis and chinese.

 

[SKC]

Lol...whats the problem if Turkey gets 2 aircraft carriers, let EU worry about it. And the plan itself seems to be only on paper. If a bankrupt country like pakis can afford to keep a weapons nuclear programe then 2 AC is no big deal Turks.

The thing is Pakis have grown up with philosophy of "Eating Grass" if needed to sustain Nuclear arms. They know already that such scale nuclear program will bankrupt them but they are willing to sacrifice everything to keep it up and running.
Such is not the case with Turkey. Their currency depreciated over 40% last year. They are not even $1 Trillion economy and they will never be with current socio-political scenario. They can only plan to have 2 Carriers + 2 LHD in their naval program.

 

[Akula]

God knows why, but underestimating them for not having the capacity to design and develop aircraft carriers in general is bit of a stretch.

I am not underestimating Turkey and they have shown their capabilities i.e drones. But the main question is why they need proper aircraft carriers. Mediterranean and Black sea to small to deploy them. All over world Navy's who operate aircraft carrier have large coastline or bases.

 

[shade]

I am not underestimating Turkey and they have shown their capabilities i.e drones. But the main question is why they need proper aircraft carriers. Mediterranean and Black sea to small to deploy them. All over world Navy's who operate aircraft carrier have large coastline or bases.

Ottoman Empire 2.0 cenab.
However I think the aircraft carrier thing is a meme, most likely it will be like 2x LHDs.

 

[Cruise missile]

Ottoman Empire 2.0 cenab.
However I think the aircraft carrier thing is a meme, most likely it will be like 2x LHDs.

With bankrupt economy.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

I am not underestimating Turkey and they have shown their capabilities i.e drones. But the main question is why they need proper aircraft carriers. Mediterranean and Black sea to small to deploy them. All over world Navy's who operate aircraft carrier have large coastline or bases.

Probably for force projection?? Since they have a lot of islands to defend against Greece and also Cyprus is another issue,all these problems can be solved by their LHDs, but don't know why aircraft carriers.

 

[shade]

Probably for force projection?? Since they have a lot of islands to defend against Greece and also Cyprus is another issue,all these problems can be solved by their LHDs, but don't know why aircraft carriers.

All very close to their Anatolian coast.
Greek islands are very close to the Turkish mainland.
In terms of major Islands hosting populations the Turks have just two, the Greeks have 20 easily.

 

[Cruise missile]

Probably for force projection?? Since they have a lot of islands to defend against Greece and also Cyprus is another issue,all these problems can be solved by their LHDs, but don't know why aircraft carriers.

You don't know reality behind the Turkish defence industry.

 

[Tridev123]

They are US/NATO ghulams technology wise all this while, US fighter jets, US/European jet engines, German Tanks, marine engines also Western, imported ship guns, they do however make their own small arms last i heard, and like us also build their own ships mostly.
Also they have their own drones, and missiles, probably having EU/US subcomponents.





Alhamdulilah sheikh chilly bhaijan, aisa hy hoga in kuffaro kay saath
Aysa hay Khwab -e- Pakistan



jy ha jnab, Ummah -e- Islam he Hendustan se zyada taakatwar, ek musulman hay dus henduo kay barabar, Ma'shallah.

The Turks use a lot of European and US components and parts in most of their so called indigenous systems. Giving them fancy names. One of their flagship projects the Altay tank uses German engines from MKU and transmission systems from Renk. I suspect even their relatively successful drone programme uses many US or European components.

I am not totally undermining their capabilities but if we look inside their top indigenous weapons we will find many Western components.

But it is true that they are far more advanced technically than the Pakistanis and may even exceed India in a few areas. Example being the Fleet Support Ships contract being executed by a Turkish company.

India is far ahead of Turkey in many areas. But we need to be wary of increased Pak - Turkey cooperation in the defence sector.

 

[Illusive]

All very close to their Anatolian coast.
Greek islands are very close to the Turkish mainland.
In terms of major Islands hosting populations the Turks have just two, the Greeks have 20 easily.


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Those islands hold key to having access to EEZ which has rich natural resources. Turkey seems to be eyeing quick land grab.

 

[Ayushraj]

Real threat to Indian navy is pla navy. The way it's expanding must be worry for us. Pla navy has 50 destroyers(though they face logistics issue),80 submarine (chinese submarine are orchestra under sea,10 large landing ship dock and helicopter carrier,2 aircraft carrier (with serious flaws).After 10 -15 years this navy with extreme number will be a headache for us. pla in case of conflict will try to capture andaman and launch long range missiles from Andaman to mainland India. Thus opening southern front. Our main focus must be pla navy

PORKIS NAVY IS JOKE and indians are taking joke seriously.

 

[Cruise missile]

The Turks use a lot of European and US components and parts in most of their so called indigenous systems. Giving them fancy names. One of their flagship projects the Altay tank uses German engines from MKU and transmission systems from Renk. I suspect even their relatively successful drone programme uses many US or European components.

I am not totally undermining their capabilities but if we look inside their top indigenous weapons we will find many Western components.

But it is true that they are far more advanced technically than the Pakistanis and may even exceed India in a few areas. Example being the Fleet Support Ships contract being executed by a Turkish company.

India is far ahead of Turkey in many areas. But we need to be wary of increased Pak - Turkey cooperation in the defence sector.

Actually turkey got independence way before us and started their defence industry before us they are having tie ups with many foreign companies and license manufacturing many weapons . Ever since erdogan came to power 18 yrs ago their focus on defence sector increased but still they are behind us in many areas whereas our main focus only started after 2014.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Turkey's ATLAY tank is based on K-2 Black panther TOT from South Korea. It uses german MKU engine, a L55 derived gun based on TOT. Everything is acquired from abroad and assembled together by OTOKAR .
Similarly their planned TAI fifth gen fighter will only move beyond the drawing board if BAE systems and other european companies co-operate.

Their MPT assault rifle is a reverse engineered HK-417.

They have taken full advantage of being a NATO member to modernize its forces.
However, with sanctions placed on them by USA, most of their future programme faces uncertain future.

 

[Tridev123]

Turkey's ATLAY tank is based on K-2 Black panther TOT from South Korea. It uses german MKU engine, a L55 derived gun based on TOT. Everything is acquired from abroad and assembled together by OTOKAR .
Similarly their planned TAI fifth gen fighter will only move beyond the drawing board if BAE systems and other european companies co-operate.

Their MPT assault rifle is a reverse engineered HK-417.

They have taken full advantage of being a NATO member to modernize its forces.
However, with sanctions placed on them by USA, most of their future programme faces uncertain future.

One small correction. The future Turkish MBT is named Altay.
The Porks on PDF are going ballistic over it and having orgasms over the prospect of the Pak army acquiring it.
Believing it to be super effective.
Wet dreams.

They cannot indigenously develop and manufacture major weapon systems and hence have no other option than to ogle at imported weapons and try to adopt it as their own.