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How many total are we going to get?I hope we buy another six asap.
How many total are we going to get?I hope we buy another six asap.
4.How many total are we going to get?
MoD wants and has cleared procurement of 10 more taking total to 22 such P8i aircraft, we have to wait when the order is placed.How many total are we going to get?
Thats why I am saying, we should import some items for Navy using ForEx as our Navy uses up a huge no. Of defence budget because of high level of indigenisation.Ya'll Nibbiars this designing all new class after every four ships is eating the resources. And if they combined all the Corvettes into a multi purpose heavily armed updated Kamorta class will save the budget and also time. And will help the private players to get contract for additional capacity utilization and also will ease th3 complexity in building as the new private shipyards can collaborate with the existing shipbuilders if the class. And this will also reduce the logistic constraints, cost and also th3 Marinences constraint and costs.
Ya'll Nibbiars cancel this contract even this will strain the budget for the surface combatant. We need the Corvettes, OPV's in large numbers. Also needs to order more frigatea. And better to delay the Project 18 Class Destroyer in favour of the additional 6 Project 15B class Destroyers.
It will get delayed in the lights of the recent IN Budget constraints.MoD wants and has cleared procurement of 10 more taking total to 22 such P8i aircraft, we have to wait when the order is placed.
India Approves Procurement of 10 More P-8I Maritime Patrol Aircraft
The Indian Ministry of Defense reportedly greenlit the acquisition of 10 more P-8I Neptune sub-hunting planes.thediplomat.com
LPD is an element of quad, all other three have them in sufficient numbers except us.Ya'll Nibbiars this designing all new class after every four ships is eating the resources. And if they combined all the Corvettes into a multi purpose heavily armed updated Kamorta class will save the budget and also time. And will help the private players to get contract for additional capacity utilization and also will ease th3 complexity in building as the new private shipyards can collaborate with the existing shipbuilders if the class. And this will also reduce the logistic constraints, cost and also th3 Marinences constraint and costs.
Ya'll Nibbiars cancel this contract even this will strain the budget for the surface combatant. We need the Corvettes, OPV's in large numbers. Also needs to order more frigatea. And better to delay the Project 18 Class Destroyer in favour of the additional 6 Project 15B class Destroyers.
We should go for more sea guardians. Our own Rustom-II is useless as it is not developed yet, production will take decades.It will get delayed in the lights of the recent IN Budget constraints.
But then Aussies and Japanese don’t have Aircraft carriers, they have LHDs.LPD is an element of quad, all other three have them in sufficient numbers except us.
Ya'll Nibbiars this designing all new class after every four ships is eating the resources. And if they combined all the Corvettes into a multi purpose heavily armed updated Kamorta class will save the budget and also time. And will help the private players to get contract for additional capacity utilization and also will ease th3 complexity in building as the new private shipyards can collaborate with the existing shipbuilders if the class. And this will also reduce the logistic constraints, cost and also th3 Marinences constraint and costs.Hit by budget crunch, Indian Navy now plans to buy 2 Landing Platform Docks instead of 4
Navy is working on a fresh request for proposal with new specs, two months after the defence ministry cancelled the 2013 RFP to buy 4 Landing Platform Docks.
New Delhi: A budget crunch could force the Indian Navy’s hand to cut down the number of Landing Platform Docks (LPDs) it is seeking to buy, ThePrint has learnt. The Navy is now looking at two LPDs, also known as amphibious transport docks, instead of four.
Defence sources told ThePrint that the Navy is working on drafting a fresh ‘Request for Proposal’ (RFP) with new specifications for the LPDs, and discussions are on to reduce the number to two. However, a senior defence official told ThePrint that the Navy can float another tender in the future to buy the other two LPDs, depending on its priorities.
The defence ministry in September withdrew the earlier RFP for procuring four LPDs. The Navy had, in November 2013, invited proposals from private shipyards to build these four LPDs at a cost of Rs 20,000 crore. Since then, the RFP saw nine extensions and one re-submission of bids in seven years before it was withdrawn in September.
Earlier this year, the Comptroller and Auditor General, in its report tabled in Parliament, had pointed out the Navy’s failure to conclude the contract to procure the LPDs, despite deciding on the acquisition in 2010.
Budget crunch
In the last Union Budget, the Indian Navy was allocated only Rs 41,259 crore, as against the projected amount of Rs 64,307 crore. The budgeted amount wasn’t enough to meet its existing committed liabilities — the expenditure that the Navy is committed to pay vendors as part of earlier orders and acquisitions.
The budget cuts had forced the Navy to rethink its long-term plan to build a 200-ship fleet by 2027, as laid out in its Maritime Capability Perspective Plan (MCPP) for 2012-2027. It revised the figure to about 175 ships, up from the current strength of 150 ships and submarines.
A senior Navy officer told ThePrint that the force is prioritising its immediate requirements to optimise available resources.
“Several factors will have be taken into account — such as the availability of troops trained in amphibious operations and the requirement of those ships during peacetime — in view of the available resources,” the officer said, adding that the Indian Navy possesses five large Landing Ship Tanks (LST), two medium LSTs and eight Landing Craft Utility (LCU) boats for amphibious operations.
‘Dual role of LPDs’
LPDs are used for amphibious operations or expeditionary warfare missions. They can carry Army battalions, tanks and armoured carriers, and helicopters into a war zone by sea. At present, the Indian Navy has just one LPD — INS Jalashwa.
A second senior Navy officer explained that an LPD has a dual role — in peacetime and during hostilities.
“In peacetime, it can be used for humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR) or noncombatant evacuation operations (NEOs). The Navy is the first responder in case of rendering HADR in Indian Ocean Region littorals (countries with coastlines connected to the Indian Ocean). During a war, it plays an important role in transporting large numbers of amphibious troops and equipment for suitable operations to influence events,” the officer said.
The officer explained that amphibious contingencies in India could mean landing a large body of troops on the enemy coast, or retaking any occupied island(s) in the Navy’s area of responsibility.
LPDs in other countries
Navies of other countries have developed advanced LPDs over the years.
For instance, China has been supplying military equipment for its base in the African country of Djibouti using its new Type 71 LPDs. These provide China’s PLAN (People’s Liberation Army Navy) with a ‘blue-water’ capability for landing forces away from its borders.
The US Navy has been building San Antonio-class LPDs since 2000, which are likely to make up two-thirds of its amphibious warfare fleet.
The vessels can function as part of a three-ship amphibious ready group, a larger joint task force and even independently.
Rear Admiral S.Y. Shrikhande (Retd), who headed India’s naval intelligence, told ThePrint that LPDs are a critical component of any nation’s expeditionary capability.
“It concerns me that with the Navy’s declining share of the budget, force planning has come under severe resource constraints. Of course, the priorities are for the naval staff to determine. If there is a constraint, maybe naval expeditionary capacities will not be the highest priority at the moment. The priority may be to work on other capabilities,” Shrikhande said.
The retired Rear Admiral added: “In the long run, a major Indo-Pacific nation like ours, which has a strategic offensive-defensive orientation, would do well to build the correct expeditionary capabilities — both air- and sea-borne. There will always be a need for such capabilities… The technology and tactics may change, but sea and air power have needed power projection capabilities, and expeditionary instruments are part of this.”
Hit by budget crunch, Indian Navy now plans to buy 2 Landing Platform Docks instead of 4
Navy is working on a fresh request for proposal with new specs, two months after the defence ministry cancelled the 2013 RFP to buy 4 Landing Platform Docks.theprint.in
Yeah better to build our surface fleet first and also submarine fleet. The Amphibious warfare can we developed after we develope and upgrade our surface Combatants and Submarine.LPD is an element of quad, all other three have them in sufficient numbers except us.
Ya'll Nibbiars we have have 8 LSC's, 2 Light LST's and 5 LST's and one LPD.But then Aussies and Japanese don’t have Aircraft carriers, they have LHDs.
LPD or LHP, if the need arises the idea is to move large number ground forces to the beach head.But then Aussies and Japanese don’t have Aircraft carriers, they have LHDs.
I guess its tough time for INS Vishal also coz afaik, Navy’s future programs are to over ambitious...Yeah better to build our surface fleet first and also submarine fleet. The Amphibious warfare can we developed after we develope and upgrade our surface Combatants and Submarine.
Our existing fleet is also under armed.We have LSC's LST's for the neighbourhood. LHD, LPD are useful for power projection or Assault on a far away place. But the current need is for more Surface combatant and Submarines. You can project power even with this. As the current Surface Combatanat have larger range.
We have LSC's LST's for the neighbourhood. LHD, LPD are useful for power projection or Assault on a far away place. But the current need is for more Surface combatants and Submarines. You can project power even with this. As the current Surface Combatants have larger range.LPD or LHP, if the need arises the idea is to move large number ground forces to the beach head.
when we keep talking about need for expeditionary marine forces in our neighbourhood, here again LPD has a role to play.
Ya'll Nibbiars I will place more emphasis on OPV's, Corvettes and Frigates. Produce them in large numbers. And also submarines produce more SSK's and SSN's. Then you can move to the large vessels.I guess its tough time for INS Vishal also coz afaik, Navy’s future programs are to over ambitious...
Our fleet numbers are stupid, our carrier battle groups can’t be even called carrier battle groups as our CBGs also lack numbers...
Navy’s ambitions...
1. 3 S5 class SSBNs (13,000 tonnes each)
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2. 6 Indigenous SSNs (6,000 Tonnes each)
3. 6 Project 75(I) AIP Submarines
4. 1 Vishal class Nuclear Super Carrier (65,000 Tonnes EMALS super carrier)
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5. 4 Landing Helicopter Docks (27,000 Tonnes each)
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6. 6 Next Gen ASuW corvettes (2,200 tonnes each)
7. 12 Minesweepers (885 tonnes each)
8. 6 Next gen OPVs (2,500 tonnes each)
9. 5 fleet replenishment ships (45,000 tonnes each)
10. 57 Multirole Carrier Borne Fighter Aircraft
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11. 12 US2i Long Range Amphibious SAR Aircraft
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12. 123 naval multi-role helicopters (NMRHs) and 111 naval utility helicopters (NUHs).
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13. 22 Sea Guardian drones
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14. 10 Additional P8i aircraft
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15. 6 Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft
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16. Rudra helicopters
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So it is necessary that MoD increases the defence budget considering we are inching close to wars every passing time.
All these items are to be procured before 2030. So imagine the cost involving all these.
Ya Nibbiars SSN's are funded.Nuclear submarine programme is not funded from navy's budget.
Nuclear submarine programme is not funded from navy's budget.I guess its tough time for INS Vishal also coz afaik, Navy’s future programs are to over ambitious...
Our fleet numbers are stupid, our carrier battle groups can’t be even called carrier battle groups as our CBGs also lack numbers...
Navy’s ambitions...
1. 3 S5 class SSBNs (13,000 tonnes each)
View attachment 66966
2. 6 Indigenous SSNs (6,000 Tonnes each)
3. 6 Project 75(I) AIP Submarines
4. 1 Vishal class Nuclear Super Carrier (65,000 Tonnes EMALS super carrier)
View attachment 66967
5. 4 Landing Helicopter Docks (27,000 Tonnes each)
View attachment 66968
6. 6 Next Gen ASuW corvettes (2,200 tonnes each)
7. 12 Minesweepers (885 tonnes each)
8. 6 Next gen OPVs (2,500 tonnes each)
9. 5 fleet replenishment ships (45,000 tonnes each)
10. 57 Multirole Carrier Borne Fighter Aircraft
View attachment 66969
11. 12 US2i Long Range Amphibious SAR Aircraft
View attachment 66970
12. 123 naval multi-role helicopters (NMRHs) and 111 naval utility helicopters (NUHs).
View attachment 66971
13. 22 Sea Guardian drones
View attachment 66972
14. 10 Additional P8i aircraft
View attachment 66973
15. 6 Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft
View attachment 66974
16. Rudra helicopters
View attachment 66976
So it is necessary that MoD increases the defence budget considering we are inching close to wars every passing time.
All these items are to be procured before 2030. So imagine the cost involving all these.
https://www.orfonline.org/research/...the-indian-navys-rocky-road-to-self-reliance/Ya'll Nibbiars this designing all new class after every four ships is eating the resources.
Now IAF ambitions are like these...Ya'll Nibbiars I will place more emphasis on OPV's, Corvettes and Frigates. Produce them in large numbers. And also submarines produce more SSK's and SSN's. Then you can move to the large vessels.
Ya'll Nibbiars if IN want to have the submarine Surfac Combatant and the aircraft carriers here the way.
1. Continue the Kalevari Class Submarines with a longer variant for the VLS. Each will roughly cost 4,000 crores. 6 Submarine Total cost 24,000 Crores.
2. Construct another Vikrant Class IAC sister ship. Cost 20,000 crore.
3. Continue the Kamorta line along with the private shipyards with upgrades and VLS. 12 Corvettes each coating around 2,000 crores. Total cost 24,000 crores.
4. Continue the stretched ASW-SWC 8 corvettes each coating 700 crores. Total cost 5,600 crores.
5. Continue the Shaurya OPV with major upgrades and 24 VLS. each 12 OPV's costing 1,200 crores. Total Cost 14,400 crores.
6. Continue the Project 17 A class Frigate with a 17 B class programme. 12 frigates Each costing 4,000 crores. Total Cost 48,000 Crores.
7. Continue the Project 15 B with a Project 15 C programme. Total 6 Destroyers each costing 7,000 crores. Total Cost 42,000 Crores.
8. And make the MRSV into a 25,000 Tonnes Programme 4 Vessels with each costing 5,500 Crores.
And you can have all the wishlist in 2,00,000 crores. And that's also 61 vessels excluding the current under funding or Constructions.
See Ya'll Nibbiars everyone want bigger and better. But have to compromise in order to have all things.
And finally the IN will have 186 Combat Ships in services.
If IN wants total achievable of 200 ships then have to shell extra for additional 6 Corvettes with would have been filed by the Sanchi class and 8 other type of vessel.
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