Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Armand2REP]

SPECIAL: #India set to hand over Myanmar its first ever submarine. Kilo class INS Sindhuvir likely to be sent across this year after indigenous refit.

It is about time IN ditched these floating fire hazards. Now that they are being decommed it looks like IN will be ready to get that +3 AIP extension on Scorpene.

 

[Tanmay]

SPECIAL: #India set to hand over Myanmar its first ever submarine. Kilo class INS Sindhuvir likely to be sent across this year after indigenous refit.

So we are already having a submarine deficit and still giving one off to others.
Are we leasing it or selling/donating it permanently?
Can't understand the logic, every new report and navy interviews are filled with falling submarine numbers and here we are. There is something more to this than what meets the eye.

 

[rkhanna]

in 2004 inc changed the flag to current one.....

Thats half the story and not completely accurate

From 2001-2004 the Indian Navy Ensign was wall White with the Indian Flag on the top left corner and Indian Navy Emblem Right Center.

The Issue was that all the white and blue the Flag was not distinguishable on the High Seas as it merged with the Sky and Sea

The Navy as well as MOD decided to revert back to the Red Cross with the Addition of Lions on the Cross and in 2014 सत्यमेव जयते was added.

There is nothing wrong with this. Any semantic nitpicking is pure mental masturbation.

 

[rkhanna]

It is about time IN ditched these floating fire hazards. Now that they are being decommed it looks like IN will be ready to get that +3 AIP extension on Scorpene.

Just as an FYI - these floating hazzards repeatedly defeated anti sub screens of a US Navv CG and took kill shots a few years ago

Also if anybody thinks this Kilo transfer is some sort of Diplomatic Gift dont hold your breath. Who wants a bet that the Boat will be manned by Indian Crew (with Token Burmese for "training") while flying a burmese flag.

This is Modi's chess game with China

 

[binayak95]

Just as an FYI - these floating hazzards repeatedly defeated anti sub screens of a US Navv CG and took kill shots a few years ago

Also if anybody thinks this Kilo transfer is some sort of Diplomatic Gift dont hold your breath. Who wants a bet that the Boat will be manned by Indian Crew (with Token Burmese for "training") while flying a burmese flag.

This is Modi's chess game with China

Precisely!

First two-three years will have token Burmese crew. Then, we might see Indian built refitted Kilos being transferred to Burma, while IN gets Scorpenes (the three add ons) and P75I online.

 

[Enquirer]

SPECIAL: #India set to hand over Myanmar its first ever submarine. Kilo class INS Sindhuvir likely to be sent across this year after indigenous refit.

All this is fine!
But when will India transfer T55 tanks and 105mm field guns to Afghan army???
I guess they might have delayed it a little too much. Taliban is now so strong that they're to come back to power (with US assistance!)

 

[rkhanna]

All this is fine!
But when will India transfer T55 tanks and 105mm field guns to Afghan army???
I guess they might have delayed it a little too much. Taliban is now so strong that they're to come back to power (with US assistance!)

AFAIK some artillery has already gone. T-55 forms almost no part of Afghan Orbat as

1) one almost all our T-55s are obsolete and even to get them into working condition is of no use
2) Primary offensive military kit will come from Uncle Sam unless they request something from us. (a list of items we can send to Astan is already with the Coalition forces and Afghan Govt

Afghan Forces will work more with IFVs and Air Power Concept rather than MBTs.

 

[Enquirer]

AFAIK some artillery has already gone. T-55 forms almost no part of Afghan Orbat as

1) one almost all our T-55s are obsolete and even to get them into working condition is of no use
2) Primary offensive military kit will come from Uncle Sam unless they request something from us. (a list of items we can send to Astan is already with the Coalition forces and Afghan Govt

Afghan Forces will work more with IFVs and Air Power Concept rather than MBTs.

T55’s still are part of Afghan army’s armor Corp.
India’s T55 are still in ‘Reserve’, they are not completely obsolete. Stuff in ‘Reserve’ is meant to be brought back into action in dire circumstances (some T55s have been moved to LOC recently to provide direct firing on Paki posts....as mortars and other shelling only provide indirect fire)

US has been loathe to provide offensive armor to Afghan army; US only provided rifles and a ton of defensive armored vehicles.

 

[bhramos]

IN MiG-29 takeoff straight up into the Sun !!!

 

[Tanmay]

One more wish to come true.
Brahmos Naval Coastal Battery.

A few at Porbandar, Mumbai, Andaman and voila! a 450km no-go zone for Pakis

 

[Prashant12]

MoD clears missiles to guard coast for Navy

The Next Generation Maritime Mobile Coastal Batteries would (NGMMCB) be fitted with supersonic BrahMos surface-to-surface cruise missile and deployed along the coast.

Chairing his first Defence Acquisition Council meeting on August 8, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh cleared a Rs 1,350 crore purchase of two batteries of Brahmos land-based missiles for the Indian Navy. The Next Generation Maritime Mobile Coastal Batteries would (NGMMCB) be fitted with supersonic BrahMos surface-to-surface cruise missile and deployed along the coast.

Interestingly, these missiles will give the Navy's current National Maritime Domain Awareness project an offensive punch. The project, a network of radars and a high bandwidth fusion centre, was initiated after the 26/11 attacks on Mumbai by seaborne terrorists exposed the vulnerability of the 7,500 km coastline.

The land-based Brah-Mos missiles to be acquired will be an anti-ship missile fired from a land-based mobile autonomous launcher and, thus, a hybrid of the naval and Army variants. The missiles will get targeting inputs from Scanter radars acquired from Terma of Denmark and built in India in collaboration with Tata Advanced Systems' subsidiary firm Tata Nova.

The radars can track multiple simultaneous air and surface targets up to a range of 170 km. One radar can cover up to 98,000 sq km of situational awareness. Each BrahMos NGMMCB will comprise a single command post, two radar units and two firing units with three anti-ship missiles each.

Each battery will also have a reconnaissance vehicle and two vehicles carrying Man-Portable Air Defence Missile Systems (MANPADs) to provide short-range defence against aerial targets. The systems will be delivered within two years from the date of orders being placed.

The Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic missile, in production for over 20 years now, is clearly a continually evolving beast. It began as a purely ship-to-ship missile and then landbased and air-launched variants went on to equip the Indian Army and Air Force. BrahMos Aerospace, the Indo-Russian joint venture firm that manufactures the missile continues to push the envelope with fresh iterations of the missile.

It has readied a 500-km range variant of the missile and is working on a smaller, lighter Next Generation or NG version and a Very Long Range Air to Air Missile (VLRAAM) variant to knock down AWACs and airborne tankers. Clearly, there are plenty of surprises in the Brah-Mos store.

https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-toda...es-to-guard-coast-for-navy-1579864-2019-08-12

 

[rkhanna]

MoD clears missiles to guard coast for Navy

The Next Generation Maritime Mobile Coastal Batteries would (NGMMCB) be fitted with supersonic BrahMos surface-to-surface cruise missile and deployed along the coast.

Chairing his first Defence Acquisition Council meeting on August 8, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh cleared a Rs 1,350 crore purchase of two batteries of Brahmos land-based missiles for the Indian Navy. The Next Generation Maritime Mobile Coastal Batteries would (NGMMCB) be fitted with supersonic BrahMos surface-to-surface cruise missile and deployed along the coast.

Interestingly, these missiles will give the Navy's current National Maritime Domain Awareness project an offensive punch. The project, a network of radars and a high bandwidth fusion centre, was initiated after the 26/11 attacks on Mumbai by seaborne terrorists exposed the vulnerability of the 7,500 km coastline.

The land-based Brah-Mos missiles to be acquired will be an anti-ship missile fired from a land-based mobile autonomous launcher and, thus, a hybrid of the naval and Army variants. The missiles will get targeting inputs from Scanter radars acquired from Terma of Denmark and built in India in collaboration with Tata Advanced Systems' subsidiary firm Tata Nova.

The radars can track multiple simultaneous air and surface targets up to a range of 170 km. One radar can cover up to 98,000 sq km of situational awareness. Each BrahMos NGMMCB will comprise a single command post, two radar units and two firing units with three anti-ship missiles each.

Each battery will also have a reconnaissance vehicle and two vehicles carrying Man-Portable Air Defence Missile Systems (MANPADs) to provide short-range defence against aerial targets. The systems will be delivered within two years from the date of orders being placed.

The Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic missile, in production for over 20 years now, is clearly a continually evolving beast. It began as a purely ship-to-ship missile and then landbased and air-launched variants went on to equip the Indian Army and Air Force. BrahMos Aerospace, the Indo-Russian joint venture firm that manufactures the missile continues to push the envelope with fresh iterations of the missile.

It has readied a 500-km range variant of the missile and is working on a smaller, lighter Next Generation or NG version and a Very Long Range Air to Air Missile (VLRAAM) variant to knock down AWACs and airborne tankers. Clearly, there are plenty of surprises in the Brah-Mos store.

https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-toda...es-to-guard-coast-for-navy-1579864-2019-08-12

Am i reading this right - that the 400+km Brahmos will be skewed to a 170Km SCANTER radar?

Also How is a coastal missile battery an "offensive punch" ??!

 

[uoftotaku]

Am i reading this right - that the 400+km Brahmos will be skewed to a 170Km SCANTER radar?

Also How is a coastal missile battery an "offensive punch" ??!

All radars have a defined "horizon" range. For operations over 150km range Brahmos requires mid course guidance updates usually provided by a KA-31 helo or via sat link (RORSAT).

In parlance its known as a Kill-Chain, a system of sensors coordinating to give targeting capability beyond the radar horizon of a launch platform.

As far as their use of the term "offensive" its a bit dubious and I would attribute it to the reporter adding masala.

 

[Enquirer]

Am i reading this right - that the 400+km Brahmos will be skewed to a 170Km SCANTER radar?

Also How is a coastal missile battery an "offensive punch" ??!

All radars have a defined "horizon" range. For operations over 150km range Brahmos requires mid course guidance updates usually provided by a KA-31 helo or via sat link (RORSAT).

In parlance its known as a Kill-Chain, a system of sensors coordinating to give targeting capability beyond the radar horizon of a launch platform.

As far as their use of the term "offensive" its a bit dubious and I would attribute it to the reporter adding masala.

I think India will increasingly seek shore based 'offensive' power going forward....it's a lot cheaper and less vulnerable to counter-attack!

If you see India is developing longer and longer ranges of anti-ship & anti-submarine missiles (under-development are...... anti-ship ballistic missile with 1000+ kms range, SMART torpedo with 650kms range). Even Brahmos with 500 kms range can be 'offensive'....a Brahmos battery in Andaman & another in Vishakapatnam region will cover almost all of BayOfBengal......also, there's an 800kms Brahmos that's being worked on...

Right now IA needs a Billion dollar frigate to carry 16 Brahmos missiles (that costs just $50 million)!!!

 

[rkhanna]

I think India will increasingly seek shore based 'offensive' power going forward....it's a lot cheaper and less vulnerable to counter-attack!

A shore based Naval SSM battery cannot be offensive. It's job is to defend the shoreline from Ships that penetrate the Naval Screen. Nothing more. Hyperbole's not withstanding.

 

[IndianHawk]

A shore based Naval SSM battery cannot be offensive. It's job is to defend the shoreline from Ships that penetrate the Naval Screen. Nothing more. Hyperbole's not withstanding.

When your defense is effective 800 km from your shore. And with su30mki+ bramhos 2000km from your shore then we can call it " offensive defense" just as doval said. Lol

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[bhramos]

Navy Helps Injured Crew On Japanese Warship, Evacuates Him To Mumbai

 

[bhramos]

Indian shipyard to build patrol ships for Vietnam's border guard

 

[Anikastha]

A major fire broke out in Coastal Jaguar, an offshore support vessel, in Visakhapatnam on Monday. No casualties were reported; however, one crew member is still reported missing. The vessel was carrying 29 crew members. Though many suffered burn injuries, they were rescued.

The crew had jumped into the water to escape the fire, and the rescuers threw them lifesavers and pulled them onboard.

The incident occurred around 11.30 am, according to a press release from the Indian Coast Guard Service (ICGS). The reason for the outbreak of the fire is yet to be ascertained.

 

[Anikastha]

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