Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Enquirer]

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/pr...inistrys-initial-nod/articleshow/65544283.cms

"The DAC also approved the procurement of 14 vertically-launched short-range surface-to-air missile systems for stealth frigates and anti-submarine warfare corvettes from European firm MBDA. “Ten of these air defence systems will be produced in India,” said an official."

Then these must be VL-Mica!
Not sure if they went the RFP route, Russian Sthil could have competed.

 

[Jackd]

aster-15 and Camm series of missile both by MBDA (to be precise Eurosam for Aster-15).

 

[vampyrbladez]

I don't think this is that dramatic. Depth charging (even when boosted by rockets) are a little passe!
What would be awesome is when DRDO completes the SMART project (Supersonic missile assisted release of Torpedo).

Its an ASROC developed for ASW duties. Stepping stone towards RUM 139 style rockets.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Then these must be VL-Mica!
Not sure if they went the RFP route, Russian Sthil could have competed.

Barak 8 probably. MICA can't intercept targets at M3 (Brahmos level).

 

[Chinmoy]

Barak 8 probably. MICA can't intercept targets at M3 (Brahmos level).

Report clearly cites procurement from MBDA. So its Not Barak 8. Moreover BARAK 8 is not a SR SAM.

Since Aster itself is a joint venture, so probability is high for VL- MICA. Moreover size and weight wise MICA is more suited for corvettes and frigates.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Small corvettes can't have such big systems and radars.

Barak 8 probably. MICA can't intercept targets at M3 (Brahmos level).

 

[vampyrbladez]

Small corvettes can't have such big systems and radars.

Check this babe out! She's smoking hot and packing for such a small size.

http://navyrecognition.com/index.ph...-qatari-navy-air-defense-corvette-design.html

Even IDF Navy has a corvette sized MF STAR for it's requirements.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...lm-2248-mf-star-multifunction-aesa-radar.html

 

[vampyrbladez]

Report clearly cites procurement from MBDA. So its Not Barak 8. Moreover BARAK 8 is not a SR SAM.

Since Aster itself is a joint venture, so probability is high for VL- MICA. Moreover size and weight wise MICA is more suited for corvettes and frigates.

MICA is pretty disappointing. Then again it is for P 28 class and NGMV and NGC will have MF STAR mast with Barak 8 as per tenders.

 

[Chinmoy]

MICA is pretty disappointing. Then again it is for P 28 class and NGMV and NGC will have MF STAR mast with Barak 8 as per tenders.

It has nothing to do with RADAR at the very first place.

The requirement is for SR-SAM and BARAK 8 is an LR-SAM. So it has its own definite place.
MICA in itself is not a disappointment and DRDO in itself would try again to revive the MAITRI project.

 

[rone]

ohooo there is a tricky part in this deal watch this video the vl mlca comes with exocet ahsm ... its silent deal ..

 

[vampyrbladez]

It has nothing to do with RADAR at the very first place.

The requirement is for SR-SAM and BARAK 8 is an LR-SAM. So it has its own definite place.
MICA in itself is not a disappointment and DRDO in itself would try again to revive the MAITRI project.

It cannot intercept a Mach 3 class AShM like Brahmos or Klub. It's short range means that this more of a Hail Mary pass like missile. Rather like a PDMS.

Our threat perception can change if PLAN deploys YJ 12 and YJ 18 like missiles in IOR by their flotillas. Maitri tech and sensors are 10 - 15 years old and range is very short.

P.S: Qataris have been able to make a mini CBG by attaching a Kronos L band long range AESA radar to a 5000 ton LPD. In combination with Aster 30 of corvettes you can easily have theatre defense at a very nominal price.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Check this babe out! She's smoking hot and packing for such a small size.

http://navyrecognition.com/index.ph...-qatari-navy-air-defense-corvette-design.html

Even IDF Navy has a corvette sized MF STAR for it's requirements.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...lm-2248-mf-star-multifunction-aesa-radar.html

The Qatari corvette (first one) is 3200tons which is as big as Kamorta class! Is that small! That is one big ship

The second one is 1100ton ship, similar to Kora class and is small enough to be considered small.

Also, the SRSAM is a kind of second layer against missiles. It is similar to Barak-1

 

[Bhurki]

It cannot intercept a Mach 3 class AShM like Brahmos or Klub. It's short range means that this more of a Hail Mary pass like missile. Rather like a PDMS.

Our threat perception can change if PLAN deploys YJ 12 and YJ 18 like missiles in IOR by their flotillas. Maitri tech and sensors are 10 - 15 years old and range is very short.

P.S: Qataris have been able to make a mini CBG by attaching a Kronos L band long range AESA radar to a 5000 ton LPD. In combination with Aster 30 of corvettes you can easily have theatre defense at a very nominal price.

I think Indian Navy finally listened to the forum discussions over at SDF :biggrin2: who have been boasting the HHQ10 srsam cover capability and the absence of any such systems in IN ships.. Even Vishakhapatnam class destroyers have Barak 8 for long range and ciws for point defense but no short range interception capabilites..

 

[vampyrbladez]

I think Indian Navy finally listened to the forum discussions over at SDF :biggrin2: who have been boasting the HHQ10 srsam cover capability and the absence of any such systems in IN ships.. Even Vishakhapatnam class destroyers have Barak 8 for long range and ciws for point defense but no short range interception capabilites..

Simply have a two tier defence system with interchangeable missiles like Aster 15 and Aster 30 of UK (SYLVER A-50 and A-70 CLS) and ESSM, SM 2 BLK IV and SM 6 of US (MK 41 VLS and MK 57). Having two different missile systems from two different countries for two different reasons is nonsense.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The Qatari corvette (first one) is 3200tons which is as big as Kamorta class! Is that small! That is one big ship

The second one is 1100ton ship, similar to Kora class and is small enough to be considered small.

Also, the SRSAM is a kind of second layer against missiles. It is similar to Barak-1

P 28 is bigger than the Qatari frigate. Israeli one has perfect radar and armaments for a flotilla for brown water littoral amphibious ops and ASW and mine warfare mission sets. It can escort destroyers and frigates for HK operations against enemy surface and sub surface targets with added aerial theatre defence.

 

[Bhurki]

Its high time Indian Navy designs a modular vertical launch system.. And does away with different launchers for brahmos, barak 8 and other sam systems to be inducted..

 

[vampyrbladez]

The Qatari corvette (first one) is 3200tons which is as big as Kamorta class! Is that small! That is one big ship

The second one is 1100ton ship, similar to Kora class and is small enough to be considered small.

Also, the SRSAM is a kind of second layer against missiles. It is similar to Barak-1

P 28 is bigger than the Qatari frigate. Israeli one has perfect radar and armaments for a flotilla for brown water littoral amphibious ops and ASW and mine warfare mission sets. It can escort destroyers and frigates for HK operations against enemy surface and sub surface targets with added aerial theatre defence.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Its high time Indian Navy designs a modular vertical launch system.. And does away with different launchers for brahmos, barak 8 and other sam systems to be inducted..

Soon to be installed in Project 18 class ships. More details here (Speculative).

https://globaldefencewatch.com/project-18indias-next-generation-destroyer/

 

[shiphone]

lol...very funny connection ,and very indian style...it seems someone have no idea what the other was talking about.

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but it seems that the so called BMD test might have some faster Target in the future...

and the Shaurya/Sagarika/K15 is just around/under 7 tons.

 

[vampyrbladez]

lol...very funny connection ,and very indian style...it seems someone have no idea what the other was talking about.

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but it seems that the so called BMD test might have some faster Target in the future...

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and the Shaurya/Sagarika/K15 is just around/under 7 tons.

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