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Navy agrees to buy four Russian frigates for $3 bn

The navy's medium term plans envisage increasing warship strength from the current 140-odd, to 198 warships by 2027


New Delhi and Moscow have finalised contractual terms for four new stealth frigates that Russia will supply the Indian Navy for slightly over Rs 200 billion ($3 billion), or about Rs 50 billion ($775 million) per vessel.

Designated the “Upgraded Krivak III class”, the first two frigates will be built in Yantar Shipyard, in Kaliningrad, Russia. The following two will be built in Goa Shipyard Ltd (GSL) with technology and designs transferred by Yantar. Delivery will begin within four years of signing the contract.

With a defence ministry “cost negotiation committee” having hammered out terms, it remains for the finance ministry and the Cabinet to clear what will be the first capital warship contract signed since Project 17A was contracted in early-2015.

The navy already operates six Krivak III frigates. The first three joined the fleet between June 2003 and April 2004, followed by another three between April 2012 and June 2013. With the current contract, the navy will operate 10 Krivak III frigates — the fleet’s largest single type.

The Krivak III costs marginally less than the Rs 57.50 billion ($888 million) that the navy will pay for each of seven indigenous frigates that Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai (MDL) and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers, Kolkata (GRSE) have been contracted to build under Project 17A.

However, tonne-for-tonne, the indigenous frigates are cheaper. Each displaces about 5,600 tonnes fully loaded, significantly more muscular than the 4,000-tonne Krivak III. Further, each Project 17A frigate has space for two multi-role helicopters, while the smaller Krivak III embarks just a single Kamov-31 chopper. An extra helicopter provides major advantages in anti-submarine operations and airborne early warning.

Even so, with MDL, GRSE and GSL already stretched to capacity, navy planners are satisfied that Yantar is meeting India’s urgent need for more capital warships. The navy is also pleased with how the Krivak III fleet has performed over time.

New Delhi wanted to build all four Krivak III frigates in GSL under ‘Make in India’.

However, Yantar had already part-built two frigates for the Russian Navy, which then backed away for lack of funds. New Delhi has obliged Moscow by buying them.

The part-built frigates at Yantar are also stalled by a defence embargo that Ukraine imposed on Russia after the latter annexed the Crimea. New Delhi, which has close defence relations with Ukraine, has undertaken to procure and provide Yantar the Zorya turbines that will power these.

The agreed terms stipulate a certain level of Indian-isation for the first two vessels that Yantar will deliver, and a significantly higher level for the next two vessels that are to be built in Goa.

For GSL, building a vessel as complex as a frigate will require upgrading its facilities and skills. However, naval planners say GSL should not take long to learn, having recently undergone the experience of building missile corvettes that are similarly dense in weapons and sensors.

These new Krivak III frigates will have the same engines and armament configuration as Yantar’s last three frigates — INS Teg, Tarkash and Trikand. These include the vaunted BrahMos anti-ship and land attack missile.

Senior naval planners underline the advantages of negotiating a “follow-on” contract, i.e. for vessels similar to those procured earlier. While it took six months to negotiate the contract for the Teg, Tarkash and Trikand, negotiations for the current contract took only 45 days to negotiate and finalise.
The navy’s medium term plans envisage increasing warship strength from the current 140-odd, to 198 warships by 2027. This will require adding 5-6 warships annually.

While some 75 vessels of various types are in the navy’s procurement pipeline, there remains a worrying shortfall of frigates, which are the navy’s workhorses. “We need to have at least 24 frigates. Currently we are 10 short,” says a senior admiral.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...russian-frigates-for-3-bn-118022600021_1.html
 

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New Delhi and Moscow have finalised contractual terms for four new stealth frigates that Russia will supply the Indian Navy for slightly over Rs 200 billion ($3 billion), or about Rs 50 billion ($775 million) per vessel.
The Krivak III costs marginally less than the Rs 57.50 billion ($888 million) that the navy will pay for each of seven indigenous frigates that Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai (MDL) and Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers, Kolkata (GRSE) have been contracted to build under Project 17A.
^The power of indigenous can give you a much more capable plaform for just $100 million more.

If Project 17A had all components fully indigenous, the price per firgate would have been less than the price for the four new Talvars Russia has offered. And we would not have been dependent on a foreign contractor for spares.
 

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^The power of indigenous can give you a much more capable plaform for just $100 million more.

If Project 17A had all components fully indigenous, the price per firgate would have been less than the price for the four new Talvars Russia has offered. And we would not have been dependent on a foreign contractor for spares.
Agreed, the shivalik class itself is better than the Krivak IVs, but this offer of four ships for 3 billion USDs isn't bad, especially since it will not eat up any space at MDL or GRSE, the 2 yards that vurrentcu can build FFGs and DDGs. As a side benefit, GSL gets to learn how to build modern frigates.

The Krivaks are actually pretty decent and capable ships. Very agile, and sufficient firepower to deal with any hostile surface unit. They have become our workhorses replacing the P-16/P-16As in standard operational taskings
 

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Sterlite Tech to build next gen communications network for the Indian Navy

Sterlite Tech has been awarded a Rs 3500 crore Advance Purchase Order to design, build and manage the Indian Navy’s communications network. This will give the Indian Navy digital defence supremacy at par with the best naval forces globally.

This is the first time that an integrated naval communications network at such a scale is being built in India. The Navy’s communications network has been envisioned as a smarter network infrastructure with enhanced throughput, high-quality secure services and ease of network management. The scope requires Sterlite Tech to design, build and manage the communications network for over a decade through its system integration capabilities.

“We are delighted to get an opportunity to play our role in strengthening India’s defence through highly scalable, future-ready networks. Our recent experience of creating an intrusion-proof communication network for the Indian Army in Jammu & Kashmir will be leveraged for the Navy’s communications network. We look forward to delivering this end-to-end strategic network for the Indian Navy with our unique software-to-silicon capabilities,” said Dr Anand Agarwal, CEO, Sterlite Tech.

On the project highlights, KS Rao, COO and MD (Telecom Products & Services), Sterlite Tech, said, “It is our privilege to work for the Indian defence, and build an integrated communications network at such a scale. As master systems integrator, we will lead the planning and designing of a converged MPLS infrastructure on a two-layered centrally-managed IP backbone. This will provide a secure and reliable digital highway to the Indian Navy for administrative and defence operations.”

Unparalleled in scope and size, the project includes the creation of a high-capacity IP-MPLS (Internet Protocol - Multi Protocol Label Switching) network. Once completed, it will link multiple Indian naval sites and India-administered islands

http://www.telecomtiger.com/fullstory.aspx?passfrom=enterprisestory&storyid=22766
 

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I just Hope and also pray that we are not going to use any Huawei made network products in building this comm network ..That would be just simply stupid suicidal to give everything to chinese on platter ...

Sterlite Tech to build next gen communications network for the Indian Navy

Sterlite Tech has been awarded a Rs 3500 crore Advance Purchase Order to design, build and manage the Indian Navy’s communications network. This will give the Indian Navy digital defence supremacy at par with the best naval forces globally.

This is the first time that an integrated naval communications network at such a scale is being built in India. The Navy’s communications network has been envisioned as a smarter network infrastructure with enhanced throughput, high-quality secure services and ease of network management. The scope requires Sterlite Tech to design, build and manage the communications network for over a decade through its system integration capabilities.

“We are delighted to get an opportunity to play our role in strengthening India’s defence through highly scalable, future-ready networks. Our recent experience of creating an intrusion-proof communication network for the Indian Army in Jammu & Kashmir will be leveraged for the Navy’s communications network. We look forward to delivering this end-to-end strategic network for the Indian Navy with our unique software-to-silicon capabilities,” said Dr Anand Agarwal, CEO, Sterlite Tech.

On the project highlights, KS Rao, COO and MD (Telecom Products & Services), Sterlite Tech, said, “It is our privilege to work for the Indian defence, and build an integrated communications network at such a scale. As master systems integrator, we will lead the planning and designing of a converged MPLS infrastructure on a two-layered centrally-managed IP backbone. This will provide a secure and reliable digital highway to the Indian Navy for administrative and defence operations.”

Unparalleled in scope and size, the project includes the creation of a high-capacity IP-MPLS (Internet Protocol - Multi Protocol Label Switching) network. Once completed, it will link multiple Indian naval sites and India-administered islands

http://www.telecomtiger.com/fullstory.aspx?passfrom=enterprisestory&storyid=22766
 

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I just Hope and also pray that we are not going to use any Huawei made network products in building this comm network ..That would be just simply stupid suicidal to give everything to chinese on platter ...
Even when you use CISCO in any such network, the level of scrutinization would drive you nuts. As far as HUAWEI or ZTE or Microtek are concerned, they are not even eligible to get scrutinize.
 

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Batch-2 was nearly 500 mil each, This one hopefully has Brahmos, And VLS Shtill. I am expecting the price increase due to inflation and ToT towards GSL.
 

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Batch-2 was nearly 500 mil each, This one hopefully has Brahmos, And VLS Shtill. I am expecting the price increase due to inflation and ToT towards GSL.
It does indeed have VLS Shtil. Would have preferred Barak-8, but I don't expect anything else from Russians .
 

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It does indeed have VLS Shtil. Would have preferred Barak-8, but I don't expect anything else from Russians .
I guess some systems would have to be removed and refitted with Indian systems?
Communications, data links, IFF etc.
 

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I guess some systems would have to be removed and refitted with Indian systems?
Communications, data links, IFF etc.
The main radar will have to be replaced with MF-STAR. That would make the whole ship significantly more expensive, but it could have been done with the 2 ships that will be built at GSL, thereby making up for the costs.

But, I guess the Navy didn't want to create complications for GSL, since these are the first frigates they are building.
 

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The main radar will have to be replaced with MF-STAR. That would make the whole ship significantly more expensive, but it could have been done with the 2 ships that will be built at GSL, thereby making up for the costs.

But, I guess the Navy didn't want to create complications for GSL, since these are the first frigates they are building.
MF-STAR on talwar?? I think they will have same fit as original talwars. .
 

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It will be same radar or imroved variant. No way MF-STAR is going on a Krivak. Same for Barak-8. But with 10 Krivaks, 7 P-17A, 3 P-17's and 3 B-class IN should be pretty happy come around 2027. But in the destroyer section we will only have 10 destroyers unless P-18's are ordered before 2020. Ideally I will hope IN will have 12 destroyers 24 Frigates 16 corvettes ( P-28/A and Next gen corvette) and 16-20 Patrol vessels (Saryu, Sukanya, P-21's ) etc.
 

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It will be same radar or imroved variant. No way MF-STAR is going on a Krivak. Same for Barak-8. But with 10 Krivaks, 7 P-17A, 3 P-17's and 3 B-class IN should be pretty happy come around 2027. But in the destroyer section we will only have 10 destroyers unless P-18's are ordered before 2020. Ideally I will hope IN will have 12 destroyers 24 Frigates 16 corvettes ( P-28/A and Next gen corvette) and 16-20 Patrol vessels (Saryu, Sukanya, P-21's ) etc.
Why can't MF-Star be on a FFG? The Israeli Navy itself has ordered Saar corvettes with MF-Star and Barak-8 combo (they in fact carry same battery as P-15B)...we've paid for and developed the capability and we should use it in every available hull. Whats the point of replication? Especially with comparatively inferior Shitil system?
 

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Why can't MF-Star be on a FFG? The Israeli Navy itself has ordered Saar corvettes with MF-Star and Barak-8 combo (they in fact carry same battery as P-15B)...we've paid for and developed the capability and we should use it in every available hull. Whats the point of replication? Especially with comparatively inferior Shitil system?
Major systems like Gun, Missile, Radars, SAM will already be in place by now. Removing them will be pain in ass plus extra cost. Better to have all the Talwars with more or less same configuration with same OEMs.
 

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