Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Cutting Edge 2]

Navy lacks institutional framework to deal with safety: CAG
July 21, 2017 9:05 PM

Indian Navy’s ships and submarines were involved in 38 accidents between 2007-08 and 2015-16, adversely affecting the operational preparedness of the force, the Comptroller and Auditor General said in a report today. The auditor said the accidents were primarily attributable to fire, explosion and flooding, adding the Navy had no institutionalised framework to deal with safety since its inception. The report, tabled in the Parliament, said a dedicated organisation for dealing with safety issues was setup by the Indian Navy in 2014. However, it awaits government’s sanction. The auditor said the loss of a ship and submarine adversely affects the operational preparedness of the Navy as acquisition of new ships and submarines takes more than eight to 10 years.

“It is, therefore, imperative that Navy maintains its assets free from accidents during peacetime evolutions. “Between 2007-08 and 2015-16, Indian Navy ships and submarines were involved in 38 accidents, primarily attributable to fire, explosion, flooding,” the CAG said. The CAG also observed that the inventory control mechanism in the Navy was deficient and that laid down timeline for processing of indents was not adhered to leading to cascading effect in procurement of stores.

The also found that the Navy, while placing the order for procurement of four aero-engines for two helicopters damaged in an accident, did not take into consideration one helicopter which was declared ‘Beyond Economical Repairs’ before the conclusion of the contract. It said the lapse in decision making process resulted in unproductive expenditure of Rs 16.62 crore on the procurement of three excess aero-engines. The CAG also said that non-availability of the defence systems onboard the fleet tankers, since their delivery in 2011, rendered them vulnerable to external threats. Further, non-linking of payment with the supply/installation of vital defence systems for two fleet tankers, resulted in premature payment of Rs 26.73 crore to the foreign vendor.

The CAG said the UH-3H fleet of helicopters, procured as an integral part of Landing Platform Deck, was unable to maintain the desired levels of serviceability in six out of seven years of its operations since commissioning. It said non-existence of dedicated depot level maintenance facilities and non-availability of spares adversely impacted the maintenance of the fleet. “Further, Navy continues to be dependent on the foreign repair agency for maintenance, servicing and logistics issues due to lack of training of Naval personnel,” the CAG observed.

In another finding, the CAG said non-availability of a critical flight safety equipment on board the Indian Navy’s and Coast Guard’s aircraft, has impacted their safe operation for the past 12 years. “The situation would persist for another four years due to asynchronous timelines for delivery of the equipment and its installation on board the aircraft. “Further, failure to take cognisance of de-induction of one of the aircraft fleet, resulted in excess procurement of ten equipment worth Rs 5.58 crore,” the CAG said.

http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...nal-framework-to-deal-with-safety-cag/773873/

 

[Prashant12]

GRSE HANDS OVER 2ND LCU MARK IV VESSEL

Indian Navy's 2nd Landing Craft Utility Ship launched In Kolkata

The second of the eight Mark IV LCU vessels, built by Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Limited (GRSE), Kolkata, was formally handed over to the Indian Navy at a ceremony in Kolkata on Thursday.
The L52 ship was handed over by Rear Admiral V K Saxena, IN (Retd) CMD, GRSE, to the Commanding Officer of the ship Cdr Kaushik Chatterjee. Brigadier S Y Deshmukh, Chief Staff Officer (Technical) of Andaman and Nicobar Command, carried out final inspection of the ship before the handing over.
The LCU Mark IV ship is designed for multipurpose amphibious operations.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/grse-hands-over-2nd-lcu-mark-iv-vessel-4760302/

 

[Vinod DX9]

What do you think which one we will procure?

 

[Filtercoffee]

What do you think which one we will procure?View attachment 18104

Come on give us a hint too... strategically as well as technologically please.

 

[Chinmoy]

What do you think which one we will procure?View attachment 18104

I believe it would be Amur1650 or Type 214.

 

[captscooby81]

Two naval ships built by private shipyard reliance defence ex pipava shipyard launched today after long delay three more to be completed by year end

 

[Prashant12]

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[Prashant12]

Shachi & Shruti, the @indiannavy's first ever warships built by the private sector, launched at RDEL Shipyard Pipavav, Gujarat today.

 

[Prashant12]

Welcoming INS Sindhuvir for Normal Refit.

 

[square]

What do you think which one we will procure?View attachment 18104

soryo ...japan..!!!!!!!
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[Kshatriya87]

soryo ...japan..!!!!!!!
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Depends on cost as well as how much tech Japan will agree to transfer to India.

 

[lcafanboy]

Navy Plans to carryout trials of new fighter jets for INS Vikramaditya, INS Vikrant Soon
Published July 29, 2017 SOURCE: INDIA TODAY

Looking to buy 57 fighter aircraft to augment its fleet, the Indian Navy recently invited foreign vendors to carry out trials to see if the planes could operate off the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya. French Rafale, Swedish Saab Sea Gripen, Russian MiG-29K and American F-18 are the contenders for the over Rs 75,000 crore mega deal of the maritime force.”The foreign vendors were asked to prove that their aircraft would be able to operate off our Russian-origin aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya,” a senior Navy source told MAIL TODAY. Aircraft manufacturers, including the French Rafale and American F-18, had taken part in the trials and were asked to provide more inputs on their respective plane’s capabilities to be able to take off and land at the Vikramaditya, the sources said. The trials were held at INS Vikramaditya’s home-base in Karwar in Karnataka. The 57 new planes would be used for operations from the INS Vikramaditya and the Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) being built at the Cochin Shipyard Limited in Kochi along with the 45 MiG29Ks already imported from Russia.

DIFFERENCE IN TAKE-OFF SYSTEMS

There is a huge difference in take off systems on board the aircraft carriers of Russian and Western origin. While the aircraft on Western carriers are launched using a steam-powered catapult while on the Russian platforms, they take off from an angled ski-jump – the launch mechanism on both the Vikramaditya and the underconstruction IAC. The need for buying new super expensive aircraft came up after the Navy rejected the naval version of the indigenous light combat aircraft as it wanted a twin-engine fighter with a stronger airframe and landing gear to operate from a flight deck with high-tempo flying cycles. As per the requirement projected by the Navy, it wants to manufacture these planes in India as the Request for Information had asked the original equipment manufacturers to respond to it. It also sought to know at what level of Transfer of Technology (ToT) and deep repair expertise the company is willing to share with India. It also asked the vendor to specify critical technologies required and comment on its ability to absorb the aircraft manufacturing technology at the levels of sub vendor/supply chain elements in India through ToT from OEM and its partners.

DELIVERY

As regards the delivery schedule, the first lot of jets have to be delivered in three years after inking of the contract and all the 57 have to be delivered in the next three years. The existing fleet of the MiG-29K planes has been creating a number of problems for the maritime force as they are not yet ruggedised enough for aircraft carrier operations as was reported by MAIL TODAY recently. The planes have also been facing engine problems and the Navy had taken up the issue with Russia whose engineers and technicians are working to address the issues as the planes are still in warranty period. With two aircraft carriers and over five squadrons of maritime strike aircraft, the Indian Navy would be emerging as a very strong force to reckon with.

http://idrw.org/navy-carries-to-carryout-trials-of-new-aircraft-for-ins-vikramaditya-ins-vikrant/#more-142908 .

 

[S.Balaji]

Was at DRDO expo at CVRE, Chennai...had an opportunity to speak to the NPOL guy....he said that USHUS-2 is being fitted onto Kilo-Class submarine INS Sindhuraj at shipyard in russia.....on prodding the NPOL guy said the range is fairly good with surface ships being deducted to a distance of 50 nm....

 

[Prashant12]

India races to revamp submarine force amid rising China threat in Indian Ocean

The commissioning of INS Kalvari is a milestone in India’s effort to rebuild its badly depleted underwater fighting force, even as China expands its fleet to nearly 60 submarines compared to India’s 15

India’s navy is preparing to take delivery of INS Kalvari, the Scorpene class submarine that is one of the world’s stealthiest and most deadly fighting tools. Photo: Reuters
New Delhi/Hong Kong: After years of delay, India’s navy is preparing to take delivery of one of the world’s stealthiest and most deadly fighting tools: the INS Kalvari, an attack submarine named after a deep-sea tiger shark.

The commissioning later this month of the Scorpene class submarine is a milestone in India’s effort to rebuild its badly depleted underwater fighting force, and the first of six on order. It comes as China’s military expands its fleet to nearly 60 submarines—compared to India’s 15—and increases its forays into the Indian Ocean in what New Delhi strategists see as a national security challenge.

A Chinese Yuan-class diesel-powered submarine entered the Indian ocean in May and is still lurking, according to an Indian naval officer who asked not to be identified, citing policy. It’s an unwelcome reminder of China’s rapidly expanding naval strength at a time when Indian and Chinese soldiers are engaged in a border dispute stand-off in Bhutan. China’s defence ministry didn’t respond to a faxed request for comment.

The official opening in July of China’s first naval base at Djibouti at the western end of the Indian Ocean, recent submarine sales to Pakistan and Bangladesh and a visit last year of a Chinese nuclear-powered submarine to Karachi, have also exposed how unprepared India’s navy is to meet underwater challenges.

“The lack of long-term planning and procurement commitment in defence acquisition plans can be considered tantamount to negligence” by the Indian government, said Pushan Das, a research fellow at the New Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation’s National Security Program. India needs to “counter increasing PLA-N activities in the region,” he said, referring to the People’s Liberation Army Navy.



Ministry of defence spokesman Nitin Wakankar would not comment on the Indian Navy’s submarine fleet plan.

Dwindling fleet

Since 1996, India’s attack submarine fleet has dwindled to 13 diesel-electric vessels from 21 as the navy failed to replace retired boats. The entire fleet —a mixture of Russian-origin Kilo class vessels and German HDW submarines — is at least 20 years old. All have been refitted to extend their operational lives until at least 2025.

In contrast, China’s underwater fleet boasts five nuclear-powered attack submarines and 54 diesel-powered attack submarines. By 2020, the force will likely grow to between 69 and 78 submarines, according to the Pentagon’s latest report on China’s military.

Still, analysts say it will be years before China can pose a credible threat to India in the Indian Ocean.

“Simple geography gives India a huge strategic advantage in the Indian Ocean,” said David Brewster, a senior research fellow with the National Security College at the Australian National University in Canberra. “And although China has been sending in submarines, you have to understand they are probably decades away from being able to seriously challenge India there, especially while the United States is present.”

China’s navy needs to enter the Indian Ocean through narrow choke points like the Malacca Strait that runs between Indonesia and Malaysia. Indian surveillance planes deployed to Andaman & Nicobar Islands patrol the area, and one spotted the Chinese submarine in May.

In the meantime, India is slowly upgrading its underwater fleet.

The INS Kalvari is the first of six French-made Scorpene submarines on order in a Rs23,600 crore ($3.7 billion) project awarded in 2005 to the state-owned defence shipyard Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd. and France’s Naval Group, formerly known as DCNS Group. Junior defence minister Subhash Bhamre said in July that the first of these would be delivered in August.

In February 2015 India approved the construction of six nuclear-powered attack submarines. Few details have been released about the Rs60,000 crore program.

And on 21 July, India initiated another program to build six more diesel submarines. It sent information requests to six manufacturers — Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems GmbH, Naval Group of France, Madrid-based Navantia SA, Sweden’s Saab AB, a Russia-Italian joint venture called Russian Rubin Design Bureau and a consortium between Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. and Kawasaki Heavy Industries Ltd. The project is worth about Rs50,000 crore.

As well as its attack submarines, India is developing an underwater nuclear deterrence. The first nuclear-powered submarine that can launch ballistic missiles was commissioned in 2016, part of a program to build at least three. The navy is using a Russian nuclear-powered submarine it leased for 10 years in 2012 to train the crew. China has four nuclear-powered ballistic-missile submarines.

Even with the announced programs, India isn’t likely to meet its 2030 deadline for shoring up its submarine fleet. To deter both China and Pakistan, planners reckon the fleet needs at least 18 diesel, six nuclear and four nuclear-armed submarines.

“While the operational urgency cannot be undermined, there is a need for the Indian Navy to fight its wars with Indian-made submarines,” said K.V. Kuber, a Delhi-based independent defence analyst who previously served on government-appointed committees that reviewed defence industrial policies. “Even if we go for a global tender to meet the urgent requirements of the Indian Navy, we would still be years away from acquiring them. Yet, this is the fastest route.”

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/Ez...p-submarine-force-amid-rising-China-thre.html

 

[NeXoft007]

All I could say that Project 17A is going very well. Strange, but critical components to start construction are being procured 'simultaneously' for all 7 P17As, not just for 1 P17A at a time. Steel cutting ceremony imminent.

 

[Kshatriya87]

All I could say that Project 17A is going very well. Strange, but critical components to start construction are being procured 'simultaneously' for all 7 P17As, not just for 1 P17A at a time. Steel cutting ceremony imminent.

This is good. BTW, is this info reliable ?

 

[NeXoft007]

This is good. BTW, is this info reliable ?

I can bet my life on it...........................

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

Indian Navy to Purchase Hundreds of Anti-Ship Missiles
16:12 08.08.2017

New Delhi (Sputnik) — The Indian Navy has formally started the process of acquiring anti-ship missiles which can hit a target at medium range. On Tuesday, the Indian Navy issued requests to the global vendors inviting their interests in supplying approximately 270 combat, 40 practice, 10 training, six dummy and four cut section medium range anti-ship missiles and 24 systems for fitment onboard ships. India intends to soon finalize the deal with a global missile manufacturer willing to offer transfer of technology so that such missiles can be manufactured under the ‘Make in India' program.
"Indian government is desirous of license production of equipment after acquiring ToT in the case. Vendor is to indicate willingness to provide ToT (knowhow and know why) along with exact scope that can be provided in each area (Missile/Missile Subsystems/ Launchers/Loading Gear/Fire Control System etc)," reads a document of the Indian Navy.

The Indian navy has indicated that it will conduct field evaluation trials to facilitate early finalization of the deal.

The global tender is to be issued during first half of 2018 and India expects quick delivery. As per India's new defense procurement policy, the vendor will be required to invest 30% of the total deal value in an Indian project.

India has indicated that the quantity of requirement may go up further in accordance to extant requirements of the Navy and that the firms must provide option clause wherein thebuyer can exercise an option to procure an additional 50% of the original contracted quantity in accordance with the same terms & conditions of the present contract.
Meanwhile, Indian navy has indicated that it will conduct field evaluation trials to facilitate early finalization of the deal.

According to sources, several global firms are already in talks with Indian defense companies for manufacturing anti-ship missiles. Last month, Pune-based Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd signed a joint venture agreement with Israel Aerospace Industries for manufacturing anti-ship missiles and command & control systems. Earlier, in April Reliance Defence entered into a strategic partnership agreement with South Korean defense major LIG Nex1 to explore the opportunities to manufacture anti-ship missiles. LIG Nex1 is an emerging leader in smart heavy weapons in the category of anti-ship missiles, and anti-tank guided missiles.

In March this year, the Indian Navy used Exocet SM 39 — a French-built anti-ship missile, for the maiden missile firing test by the locally built Kalvari class submarine. After the successful firing, Indian Navy confirmed that all the six scorpene (Kalvari) class submarines would be equipped with Exocet SM 39. Weighing 650 Kilogram 6.5 meter long high subsonic Exocet SM 39 is long range, all-weather missile capable of operation against all classes of warship. MBDA, its manufacturer, claims the missile has high hit probability against moving targets and that it can hit any target in extremely short time with full freedom of maneuver.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201708081056285402-india-anti-ship-missiles/

 

[Kalki_2018]

All I could say that Project 17A is going very well. Strange, but critical components to start construction are being procured 'simultaneously' for all 7 P17As, not just for 1 P17A at a time. Steel cutting ceremony imminent.

When will the first ship be launched? They are being made at MDL & GRSE right?

 

[Kshatriya87]

Indian Navy to Purchase Hundreds of Anti-Ship Missiles
16:12 08.08.2017

New Delhi (Sputnik) — The Indian Navy has formally started the process of acquiring anti-ship missiles which can hit a target at medium range. On Tuesday, the Indian Navy issued requests to the global vendors inviting their interests in supplying approximately 270 combat, 40 practice, 10 training, six dummy and four cut section medium range anti-ship missiles and 24 systems for fitment onboard ships. India intends to soon finalize the deal with a global missile manufacturer willing to offer transfer of technology so that such missiles can be manufactured under the ‘Make in India' program.
"Indian government is desirous of license production of equipment after acquiring ToT in the case. Vendor is to indicate willingness to provide ToT (knowhow and know why) along with exact scope that can be provided in each area (Missile/Missile Subsystems/ Launchers/Loading Gear/Fire Control System etc)," reads a document of the Indian Navy.

The Indian navy has indicated that it will conduct field evaluation trials to facilitate early finalization of the deal.

The global tender is to be issued during first half of 2018 and India expects quick delivery. As per India's new defense procurement policy, the vendor will be required to invest 30% of the total deal value in an Indian project.

India has indicated that the quantity of requirement may go up further in accordance to extant requirements of the Navy and that the firms must provide option clause wherein thebuyer can exercise an option to procure an additional 50% of the original contracted quantity in accordance with the same terms & conditions of the present contract.
Meanwhile, Indian navy has indicated that it will conduct field evaluation trials to facilitate early finalization of the deal.

According to sources, several global firms are already in talks with Indian defense companies for manufacturing anti-ship missiles. Last month, Pune-based Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd signed a joint venture agreement with Israel Aerospace Industries for manufacturing anti-ship missiles and command & control systems. Earlier, in April Reliance Defence entered into a strategic partnership agreement with South Korean defense major LIG Nex1 to explore the opportunities to manufacture anti-ship missiles. LIG Nex1 is an emerging leader in smart heavy weapons in the category of anti-ship missiles, and anti-tank guided missiles.

In March this year, the Indian Navy used Exocet SM 39 — a French-built anti-ship missile, for the maiden missile firing test by the locally built Kalvari class submarine. After the successful firing, Indian Navy confirmed that all the six scorpene (Kalvari) class submarines would be equipped with Exocet SM 39. Weighing 650 Kilogram 6.5 meter long high subsonic Exocet SM 39 is long range, all-weather missile capable of operation against all classes of warship. MBDA, its manufacturer, claims the missile has high hit probability against moving targets and that it can hit any target in extremely short time with full freedom of maneuver.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201708081056285402-india-anti-ship-missiles/

We do have brahmos anti ship missiles right? Why the need for a foreign missile?


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