Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[arnabmit]

Such system shoot down drones, If media report such things its either lack of understanding or Russian PR for there products ..

Subsonic LLCM & ALCM can be taken out by such SHORAD Gun/Missile systems

Barak are more accurate and faster than these, combine with AK-630 they are more than enough for sub sonic ASHM ..

Pak CM threat is more over land than over sea. Barak-8 as a interceptor is itself much larger than the Babur or Raad it might intercept. For such subsonic threats 57E6-E is enough.

Also Barak-8 is huge! It requires a TEL/TELAR. I am talking about air portable (underslung from Mi-17v5) point defence systems.

Or a similar system mounted on Arjun chassis which can accompany SPGH groups in SHORAD and C-RAM roles.

For Naval assets, Barak-8 would be the best bet against supersonic AShCM from China maybe.

Am I thinking wrong?

 

[ladder]

@arnabmit da Maitree QR SR SAM system will be used in future for point defense on board ships and in army as-well as air-force.

Currently Barak 1 is used on board our ships.

I think it maitree will be effective against RAAD and Babur CM.

 

[arnabmit]

It will be effective if and when they arrive. Any idea about the weight of the missile or it's TELAR? I guess Maitri would be similar to Tor-M1 system in capability...

@arnabmit da Maitree QR SR SAM system will be used in future for point defense on board ships and in army as-well as air-force.

Currently Barak 1 is used on board our ships.

I think it maitree will be effective against RAAD and Babur CM.

 

[ladder]

Navy's wait for minesweepers continues as Govt is yet to ink the deal

At least 24 minesweepers needed; and at one time, Indian Navy had 18 of them.

Even after completing the contract negotiations with a South Korean shipyard for building eight minesweepers for the Indian Navy, bureaucratic red tape and procedural wrangle have over the past one year have delayed inking the deal as the files are still doing the rounds in the Defence Ministry.

The process to acquire badly needed minesweepers for the Navy was initiated 13 years ago and the Government is yet to sign the deal with the South Korean firm Kangam which had emerged as the lowest bidder. As a result, Navy's wait to add to its already depleted strength of minesweepers still continues and the already negotiated deal, estimated to be worth Rs. 24,000 crores, appears to be in a state of limbo.

Though the deal with South Korea denotes New Delhi's "strategic" partnership with Seoul, the uncertainty in signing the deal is only adding to the woes of the South Korean firm which had emerged as L1 or the lowest bidder in the tendering process in April last year, highly placed sources in the Navy said. Kangam had beaten Italian firm Intermarine and won the bid.

According to the deal, first two minesweepers also called Mine Counter Measure Vessels (MCMV) will be constructed at Pusan, South Korea and the remaining six will be built at the Goa Shipyard through the route of technology transfer. Each of the specialised vessel is likely to cost around Rs. 3,000 crore.

The Navy needs at least 24 minesweepers and at one time had 18 of them. Minesweepers are specialised warships which are used in clearing the sea mines. These vessels are capable of acting as minesweepers and mine hunters. Informed sources said the contract could not be signed after Intermarine of Italy, the Kangam's competitor, approached the Central Vigilance Commission (CVC).

Senior Navy officials say the CVC was informed about the selection process of Kangam and it was thought that the matter has been settled. Navy officials say that India's ports face the threat of undersea mines that could be planted, putting merchant ships at risk and affecting the trade route that could cripple the country's economy.

"The role of Navy during the conflict is to also ensure free flow of trade. If harbours are not clear of undersea mines, you can imagine how badly it will hit the country's economy," a senior official said. MCMVs are needed to provide safe passage at exit and entry points to a harbour which is critical to Naval operations. Under water mines can be laid easily and these self-contained explosives can pose grave threat to warships and merchant vessels. India boasts of 186 ports of which 13 are major ports.

Minesweepers or the MCMVs use specialised composite material and high grade steel and are equipped to detect all kinds of underwater mines. The Indian Navy operates 12 minesweepers of the Pondicherry and Karwar class but these vessels have become outdated. "If the deal is signed today, Kangam will deliver the first two MCMVs by 2017 and it will take another three or four years for the Goa Shipyard to build its first minesweeper after getting the technology. After that the shipyard can deliver one vessel every year," sources said.

Navy's wait for minesweepers continues as Govt is yet to ink the deal - The Hindu

 

[mayankkrishna]

Indian Navy gets home-made Hawk MK 132 jets

Read more at: Indian Navy gets home-made Hawk MK 132 jets

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Indian Military Blog: Indian Navy to acquire Mine countermeasure vessels MCMVs

 

[ladder]

Indian Military Blog: Indian Navy to acquire Mine countermeasure vessels MCMVs

Old news.

Below is the latest on them

Depleting minesweepers' fleet worries Indian Navy - The New Indian Express

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Old news.

Below is the latest on them

Depleting minesweepers' fleet worries Indian Navy - The New Indian Express

This is the one comment on that article:

This is the feedback on your website related to the Republic of Korea that appeared on this article. It is shown that Romanized name of city of Korean peninsula, 'Pusan'. By following the revised Korean Romanization rule, we officially write the name of place 'Busan'. Therefore, we kindly ask that you correct the spell in an appropriate and timely manner. In the future, should you need any further information about Romanization of Korean or other inquiries, I will be happy to assist you. Please feel free to contact me by e-mail or fax. I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely yours Sehee An Foreign Media Relations Division Koreaa Culture and Information Service Ministy of Culture, Sports and Tourism

Indians must comb through Korean newpapers to make sure Indian cities are spelled correctly.

 

[cobra commando]

India to renovate 4 Russian-built diesel submarines

India plans to repair and upgrade four diesel-electric submarines similar to the Sindhurakshak that sank in August, and two of these submarines will be overhauled in the Russian Federation. Eugene Shustikov, deputy general director of the Zvyozdochka shipyard told RIA Novosti on Tuesday at the first NAMEXPO 2013, a naval and maritime expo.

"Two weeks ago during negotiations, the Indians informed Zvyozdochka that Indian naval headquarters decided to perform its second mid-level repairs to extend the life of the four diesel-electric Kilo-class submarines. Two of them will be overhauled at the same time in Russia beginning in 2015, and when those are completed, two more Project 877 EKM submarines will be overhauled in India at Indian shipyards," he said.

Shustikov said that it will take about 27 months to overhaul the submarines in Severodvinsk. "We signed a work protocol that included these terms, and the Indian side has been informed that naval headquarters sent all of the necessary documents to the Ministry of Defence for the final decision," he added.

He said that when approval is granted, the Indian Defence Ministry will send an official application to Zvyozdochka. "We expect that this will be at the end of this year," said the deputy director.

India to renovate 4 Russian-built diesel submarines | Russia & India Report

 

[arnabmit]

Quiet an over-the-top idea...

I am thinking of a naval station in terms of artificial Islands... A la The Guns of Navarone

Artifical island are already a reality:

Sentry Island with Radars, AD and ASh capabilities with permanent MARCOS deployment with fast attack boats and Nishant...
Off the coast of Mumbai where sea bed is just 60-70m deep.

 

[Neil]

US warship in Goa for strategies & fun


Close to 800 personnel from the US armed forces are looking forward to a week of sun, surf and sand with a touch of Goan hospitality, as US navy ship, the USS Harpers Ferry has dropped anchor at the Mormugao Port Trust (MPT) on a 'friendship visit' to India. The US officers will join their Indian counterparts in a four-day 'tabletop' training exercise to be held on board the warship, where they will exchange expertise and discuss tactics to manage fictional scenarios, mostly involving amphibious operations.

But it will not be all work; the marines are also raring to play some cricket and football with their colleagues from the Indian Navy. The massive 609ft-long vessel is docked at MPT's breakwater berth, built especially for yachts and cruises. The ship can accommodate 504 troops apart from a crew of nearly 400, and is carrying dozens of US army tanks, trucks, bulldozers and heavy-duty weaponry.

Addressing the press on Monday, Christine Lawson, information commissioner at the US consulate, Mumbai, said the relationship between USA and India was going from strength to strength, a fact reiterated by US President Barack Obama and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's recent meeting in Washington.

The ship's captain, Commander Stephen Ilteris said, "We are excited about linking up with the Indian armed forces. We will be taking them on a tour of the ship and showing off our capability. During the training exercise, we will take up various fictitious scenarios that the armed forces could face, and discuss strategies and on-field tactics that will empower decision-making and promote best practices."

Taking a walk through the cavernous insides of the warship, the officers proudly displayed their big guns-literally. An assortment of chunky weapons, sophisticated surveillance robots, a fleet of amphibious tanks, an innocuous-looking machine that "shoots out shells as big as footballs, wreaking some serious damage in a 300m-radius"-the words of the young marine manning the weapon"¦ the vessel looked fully equipped to go to war, rather than the peaceful training and tourism exercises that it will embark upon across the world over the next seven months.

The warship also boasts of a swanky medical unit, fitted out with all essential diagnostic and surgical equipment to perform minor operations and dental work. "This is the first international port of call since we started out from San Diego in August. Most of our marines have never been to India, and are thrilled to have an opportunity to soak in some Indian food and culture," said Lt Col George Markert, the highly-decorated commanding officer of the battalion of marines on board. Unlike Indian naval ships, the USS Harpers Ferry is fully integrated, with 30% of the deployed sailors and officers women.

US warship in Goa for strategies & fun | idrw.org

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Unlike Indian naval ships, the USS Harpers Ferry is fully integrated, with 30% of the deployed sailors and officers women.

And from recent USN history we can predict that up to 90% of that group will be pregnant by the end of the USS Harpers Ferry cruise. Perhaps this time the happy events will feature little Indian babies. :-D

Navy seeks to combat high rate of unplanned pregnancies - News - Stripes

 

[Neil]

INS Sahyadri to join chinese navy for war games


An Indian warship currently in Australia will join the Chinese Navy for the 'Asean-plus' Naval War Games exercise in Sydney, for the first time since the multilateral US-led Malabar exercise in the Bay of Bengal in 2007, which had invited strong opposition from the Left parties.

The INS Sahyadri, a guided missile stealth frigate which was commissioned in June last year, sailed to Sydney to join the International Fleet Review hosted by the Australian Navy scheduled to be held from October 4-10.

China is also participating in the Naval exercise and the Fleet Review.

The Indian warship made port calls at Fremantle and Jervis Bay before reaching Sydney where the Naval exercise is currently in progress.

Captain Sanjay Vatsayan, along with 23 officers and 250 sailors, man the Sahyadri, which is a multi-role stealth frigate boasting of an array of weaponry in its arsenal.

Long-range anti-ship missiles, medium and short-range surface-to-air missiles augmented by the medium-range gun and close-in weapons system provide a formidable shield against air threats to the commendable warship.

With two integral multi-role helicopters and anti-submarine rockets, Sahyadri is also capable of thwarting sub-surface threats.

The ship's sensors provide an external surveillance umbrella ensuring early detection and classification of threats in all three dimensions — air, surface and sub-surface.

The Combat Management System integrates all weapons and sensors providing a comprehensive tactical picture for effective decision-making. The state-of-the-art Electronic Warfare suite enables effective exploitation of the electromagnetic spectrum.

During the deployment, Sahyadri will participate in various exercises held by the Australian Navy as a prelude to the Fleet Review.

"Sahyadri's participation in Fleet Review will serve to reinforce Naval ties and also contribute towards enhancing interoperability with the Australian Navy and other participating Navies," a release stated.

The overarching aim of the visit is to strengthen the bonds of friendship and camaraderie between India and Australia, who are pursuing a common destiny of peace and prosperity," it added.


INS Sahyadri to join chinese navy for war games | idrw.org

 

[SajeevJino]

India close to signing with Kangnam for minesweepers​

India is set to sign a $1.2 billion contract later this year with South Korean shipyard Kangnam for eight minesweepers .

The deal is to replace India's aging fleet of 12 Pondicherry and Karwar class minesweepers.

DefenseNews.com quoted an unnamed Ministry of Defense official as saying the navy could give additional orders to the South Korean company for counter-mine ships, since the service has a requirement for more than 24 minesweepers.

No date was given for the signing that would end a 5-year procurement process.

DefenseNews.com also reported that the contract with Kangnam has been delayed because of issues relating to the procurement.

Italy-based Intermarine, which was competing for the contract, had approached India's anti-fraud agency the Central Vigilance Commission over concerns with transparency of the purchasing process.

The CVC cleared the purchase last year, DefenseNews reported.

The Hindu newspaper reported in 2011 that under the proposed deal Kangnam Corp. would build two of the vessels at their shipyard in Busan, South Korea.

The other six will be manufactured by India's Goa Shipyard after a transfer-of-technology agreement.

Last year the Times of India reported that the vessels will be made of composite material and high-grade steel to ensure minimal magnetivity.

High-definition sonars and acoustic and magnetic sweeps will be used to detect marooned and drifting mines. Remote-controlled systems including small underwater vehicles will be used to detonate the devices at safe distances.

India's 200-foot long Pondicherry class ships are minesweepers built for the Indian navy by the Soviet Union from 1978-88 and are modified versions of the Russian Natya class minesweeper. Later vessels often are referred to as Karwar class ships because of upgrades and the addition of surface-to-air missiles.


India close to signing with Kangnam for minesweepers

 

[arnabmit]

Khastan-M Production is closed, there are other CIWS in development ..

AK-630 are made in India so its spares and ammo are available within our country in cheap and fast..

Saw this on another forum...

One Barak-1 32 missile system with radar and rounds costs around 30 million, there are no price figures for Kashtan but i wouldn't be surprised if each system costs around the same. From what i remember back during Talwar trials Kashtan under performed leading to IN's skepticism of the system. Russia offered the improved Kashtan-M1 which supposedly addressed some of the issues' but IN stuck with Barak.

According to Prasun Sengupta, in prefers Barak over Kashtan due to lower engagement height

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Mr Gupta`s makes many speculations, though it is possible Russian offered so but if India provides the funding ..

Saw this on another forum...

 

[bhramos]

German firm set to finalise deal with India for supply of naval sonars - The Hindu

 

[bhramos]

Offsets Holding Back Indian Naval Multi-Role Helicopter Contract

 

[cobra commando]

Bolstering India's Coastal
Defences - Navy On The Hunts For New Missiles


http://aame.in/2013/10/bolstering-india-coastal-defences-navy.html?m=1

 

[Sridhar]

Western Fleet of Indian Navy Manoeuvers in Littorals Off Gujarat and Maharashtra

A large scale annual operational exercise of the Western Naval Command of the Indian Navy will conclude tomorrow off the littorals of Gujarat and Maharashtra. The week long exercise termed 'Defence of Gujarat Exercise' tested the operational readiness of the Western Naval Command in relation to littoral combat and the defence of vital offshore assets in the northern coastal states of Western seaboard of India.

In addition to large ship's like Delhi class destroyers, Teg and Godavari class frigates operating under the Flag Officer Commanding Western Fleet (FOCWF) the exercise also involved a large number of vessels of the local flotilla including potent missile vessels of the 22nd Killer Squadron, Patrol Vessels and Minesweepers operating under the Flag Officer Commanding Maharashtra and Gujarat Naval Area (FOMAG). Coast Guard Patrol Vessels, integrated into the operations played a key part in providing multiple layers of defensive surveillance. In addition to ships, the exercise also witnessed intense flying activity by the TU 142Ms, IL-38SDs, IN and CG Dorniers and Searcher and Heron UAVs.

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