Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[NikSha]

I agree with Dave. I really don't see your point on this Zoom. You are assuming that terrorists won't use fishing boats FIRST like last time and thus we shouldn't bother sinking them?

 

[nitesh]

Russian nuke attack sub to join Indian Navy by year-end

 

[indian_sukhoi]

This is the first time i heard of a IN Chopper intercepting trespassing boats, Mostly the Indian Navy intercepts by Patrol Boats!!!


Keen to know which type of Helicopter intercepted the Boats, is it the Sea King or Dhruvs.

 

[nitesh]

Indian Navy moving in worst-hit Gosaba for relief

 

[S.A.T.A]

shoot'em up, better safe than be sorry .........

 

[Su-47]

Dave Lukins is right. terrorists usually use an approach that people just think is too absurd. If the 26/11 attack was written down on paper and sent to the authorities before it happened, they would have laughed it off.

It is possible that this 'fishing ship' was another bynch of terrorists heading for a coastal city, or a bait to test our defences.

We have to be prepared for every possiblity and be alert at all times. The greatest defence against terrorism is determined alertness and a refusal to bow to pressure. The greatest disheartening for terrorists is when they see that their efforts do not rattle a population.

I laud the effort of our coastguard in keeping full alert. They made a mistake once, but they are determined not to repeat it, and that is a key defence against terrorism

 

[ZOOM]

If I was living around the coast I certainly would be jubilant. To think that the Forces where ready and alert , even to investigate a fishing boat, ,tells me that Security is being taken very serious. The mindset of terrorist cannot be underestimated..you have given the perfect example.." Pakistani terrorist aren't foolhardy enough to set sail through fishing boat towards Indian coastline" Oh yes they would , especially if they thought that nobody would believe they would do it. Never underestimate the determination of the enemy, and if that means taking action against, what turned out to be a fishing boat in the 'wrong waters' then so be it. This will have sent out a powerful message. Ring up your Air support and thank them.

Mr. Dave Lukins, first of all you need to understand the history of Indian and Pakistani coastline, since these vast coastline always been a chilling region for trespassing each other Seawater by both Indian and Pakistani fishermans and migrants. Reason for such a furious response from Indian choppers to fire back towards pakistani fishing boat steam from the fact that, there has always been large amount of intrusion being taken place in Indian coastline by Pakistani fishermans and all this years it has been one of the hot subject of discussion among various panels regarding inefficiency of Indian coast guard to effectively up their guard against such intruders.

Despite massive presence, on many occassion this Fishing boat do treaspass behind Indian lines. One of the example is nothing but of 26/11 itself. When all those 10 Pakistani terrorist set sail from Pakistani coastline through cargo ship and entered Indian waters, they simply manage to sneak below the nose of India's Army, Navy who happens to be involved in Massive bilateral exerise on that fateful day. And hence I never try to be jubliant or ring the phone of Indian navy to congrate them for such a success. Even after 26/11, Indian Navy manage to nab few Fishing boat with Pakistani Migrant on board, on that occassion as well they didn't fire a single bullet. As I earlier said, Pakistani terror outfits are well aware about Indian Navy and coast guard intentions to first target this fishing boat. Hence Pakistnai terror outfits aren't foolhardy enough to set sail through fishing boat.

 

[dave lukins]

Zoom, many thanks for you informative post. I do realise that the Arabian Sea through to the Indian Ocean and onto the Bay of Bengal is a huge task to be patrolled and kept safe. Sadly Terrorist are not going to advertise their being by using a boat with the word terrorist written on the side therefore extra vigilance is required. I also realise that it is still raw in the minds of Indians that Mumbai was not too long ago. The Security Forces will be, and are, being extra keen. And who can blame them?

I am sure fishermen the World over, fish in waters not their own and as you say this has been going on for many years. However, I would have thought the present situation would have made both side more, shall we say, cautious. Authorities on both side should ensure that their fleets are kept well away from each others Territorial Waters. I am sure the 'incident' would by now have reached the ears of other fishing boats and all should be quiet for a while.

 

[EnlightenedMonk]

We are implicitly assuming that lightning won's strike twice at the same place...

If we assume that and the Pakistanis know we are assuming that, then they will come back again using the same methods (indeed, lightning striking twice)

And, at the end of the day, it will look pretty lame...

 

[Pintu]

With regards to all respected members here I am to say tha I think same as Monk , I support Dave Lukins Sir , also I opine that the preparators may try for the same route they have tried and slightest of error can be a very devastating wrong , many time we heard that Indian Fishing Boats fired upon by Sri Lankan Navy suspecting the boats belonging to LTTE , but here I am not supporting acts of SL Navy, but the approach should be taken to Pakistani boats which violates the marine boundary.

Regards

 

[p2prada]

Zoom, many thanks for you informative post. I do realise that the Arabian Sea through to the Indian Ocean and onto the Bay of Bengal is a huge task to be patrolled and kept safe. Sadly Terrorist are not going to advertise their being by using a boat with the word terrorist written on the side therefore extra vigilance is required. I also realise that it is still raw in the minds of Indians that Mumbai was not too long ago. The Security Forces will be, and are, being extra keen. And who can blame them?

I am sure fishermen the World over, fish in waters not their own and as you say this has been going on for many years. However, I would have thought the present situation would have made both side more, shall we say, cautious. Authorities on both side should ensure that their fleets are kept well away from each others Territorial Waters. I am sure the 'incident' would by now have reached the ears of other fishing boats and all should be quiet for a while.

Most of the times, the fishermen do not know that they have crossed into Indian waters. They do not carry any navigation equipment and use their experience on the sea to navigate. Probably sun and stars. And they end up in Indian or Pakistani prisons for years. They are held without trial after being accused of spying. It happens on both sides.

So, the latest firing incident is not exactly the first time. It has happened a lot of times in the past. This report showed up in the media just to show that the Navy is prepared, although the Navy is always prepared.

Pretty messed up lives, those fishermen. From both sides.

The latest tally of Indian fishermen in Pakistan.
Over 400 Indian fishermen in Pak jails

2005 article about release of fishermen.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan frees Indian fishermen

We also have imprisoned a lot of fishermen from Myanmar. They are held in Andaman islands.

 

[indian_sukhoi]

Only one Ship?, Looks like its not a big Naval exercise after all.

The new thing about this Exercise was that it held in Baltic Sea. Most Indo-Russian exercises are held in near Indian Ocean.

Whereas when it comes to the Ship, The INS Brahmaputra is one of aided ships which evacuated Indian and other origin civilians from Beriut under code name Operation Sukoon. To bad we cannot fit any Klubs or Bhramos missiles in it, The ship can carry Uran type missile.

 

[K Factor]

Only one Ship?, Looks like its not a big Naval exercise after all.

The new thing about this Exercise was that it held in Baltic Sea. Most Indo-Russian exercises are held in near Indian Ocean.

Whereas when it comes to the Ship, The INS Brahmaputra is one of aided ships which evacuated Indian and other origin civilians from Beriut under code name Operation Sukoon. To bad we cannot fit any Klubs or Bhramos missiles in it, The ship can carry Uran type missile.

Supply and Logistics ship INS Aditya will be there as well AFAIK.

 

[JattDaDanda]

Supply and Logistics ship INS Aditya will be there as well AFAIK.

I don't think they'r in any worry about logistics. when it comes to achieve what they want.

 

[nitesh]

Vice Admiral NK Verma designated as the next CNS

The Government has decided to appoint Vice Admiral Nirmal Kumar Verma, PVSM,AVSM,ADC, presently Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief (FOC-in-C), Eastern Naval Command as the next Chief of the Naval Staff with effect from the afternoon of 31st August, 2009. The present Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Sureesh Mehta, PVSM, AVSM, ADC retires from service on that day.

Born on 14 November 1950, Vice Admiral Verma was commissioned on 1 July 1970 into the Executive Branch of Indian Navy.

During his long and distinguished service spanning nearly 39 years, he has served in a variety of Command, Staff and Instructional appointments. Vice Admiral Verma’s Sea Command includes Leander class Frigate “Udaigiri”, Guided Missile Destroyer “Ranvir” and the Aircraft Carrier “Viraat”. Before taking over as FOC-in-C, Eastern Naval Command, he was Vice Chief of the Naval Staff at the Naval Headquarters.

Vice Admiral Verma is an alumnus of Royal Naval Staff College, UK and Naval War College, USA. He has instructional experience at National Defence College as Senior Directing Staff and at Defence Services Staff College, Wellington. He also commanded the Naval Academy at Goa.

Vice Admiral Verma was decorated with Param Vishist Seva Medal (PVSM) and Ati Vishist Seva Medal(AVSM). He is one of the Honorary ADCs of the Supreme Commander. He is married to Mrs. Madhulika and the couple has two sons.

 

[nitesh]

Major exercise to showcase west coast?s new security plan

"The exercise, to be held from June 8 to 10, will validate steps being taken to boost the country's coastal security. It will be coordinated from the joint operations centre set up in Mumbai," said a senior official.

Navy, for instance, is going to get a new specialised force, the Sagar Prahari Bal, which will have 1,000 personnel and 80 fast interception craft to protect naval assets and bases on the west and east coasts as well as the island territories.

 

[nitesh]

Defence Ministry beefing up coastal security apparatus

Coast Guard to get fast vessels and aerial surveillance planes

Coast Guard given the go-ahead to buy 12 Dornier aircraft

U.S. offer to lease 12 of its twin-engine helicopters under study

NEW DELHI: With a view to strengthening the coastal security apparatus, the Defence Ministry is buying fast patrol vessels, speed boats and is doubling the size of aerial surveillance aircraft of the Coast Guard.

Having put the acquisition process on fast track, the government has given the go-ahead to the Navy and the Coast Guard to procure platforms even as the Defence Ministry is considering an offer from the U.S. Coast Guard to lease 12 of its twin-engine helicopters.

Interception vessels

After the November 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, the government has decided to put some of the requirements on fast track and these include buying 80 fast interception vessels for the Navy’s 1,000-strong specialised force “Sagar Prahari Bal” tasked to protect naval assets and bases on both East and West coasts.

Defence Ministry sources here say “Request for Proposal” to vendors capable of providing the required platform is being readied for issue and the process is expected to acquire pace over the next 4-5 months.

The Coast Guard, which now has the responsibility of surveillance from the shoreline to 200 nautical miles, has been given the go-ahead to acquire 12 Dornier aircraft. The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, which is making this German aircraft under licence, has been asked to hand over at least five of them by the year-end.

The Government of India is soon expected to take a decision on the U.S. offer to lease 12 of its machines — Sikorsky/Agusta — the sources say. A decision will also have to be made whether these should be taken on wet or dry lease. Several Indian companies too have made similar offer, the sources say, adding much will depend on the equipment on board.

“While the induction of 12 Dornier and matching number of twin-engine helicopters will close the gap,” the sources say the offer by the Indian companies will also have to be evaluated against the kind of equipment that they could have onboard.

At present, the Coast Guard has 24 Dornier, 17 Chetak and 3 Advanced Light Helicopters for operations such as reconnaissance and shadow, security patrol and protection of offshore oil rigs.

Radars

On the move to have radars along the coast on lighthouses/coast guard stations, the sources say, the Director-General of the Coast Guard had visited France to study the model. A top-ranking Naval Commander is also expected to travel to France between June 30 and July 4 — when both navies hold bilateral exercise “Varuna” — to study the French system that has three nodal points one each near the Mediterranean sea, the English Channel and the Atlantic.

 

[Daredevil]

Naval Forces of World

Database of Warships

 

[SATISH]

It is a totally biased pro-western Ranking system mate. Our navy is far more capable than Canadian Navy. but they are ranked at 85% and we at 60%. The ranking system is flawed and strategy page is a biased site.

 

[F-14]

yes our Navy is bigger than the CFNC (Royal Canadian Navy)

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