Indian MBRLS Pinaka Thread

[Raj Malhotra]

No point of getting excited about 120km Pinaka 3 or Prahhar. Smerch lobby has blocked it for last 10 years.
Production order for 10,000 Pinaka Rockets was given in 2000 but even after 18 years only 6000 rocket have been produced
The increase of production capacity to 5000 rocket has been delayed and this increased is not likely to take place before 2020

 

[Chinmoy]

No point of getting excited about 120km Pinaka 3 or Prahhar. Smerch lobby has blocked it for last 10 years.
Production order for 10,000 Pinaka Rockets was given in 2000 but even after 18 years only 6000 rocket have been produced
The increase of production capacity to 5000 rocket has been delayed and this increased is not likely to take place before 2020

Production would depend on number of Regiment which has been raised.

Only 4 regiment has been raised in 16 years. Its only in 2016 when GoI order raising additional 6 regiments. Only now you could see a rise in production.

 

[Kshithij]

MBRL are highly cheap compared to missile. They are used to raze a whole are of say 1 sq km. Missiles are target specific.

The simple rockets will raze 1sq km area by salvo of 12? That will mean the each rocket will take out about 0.083km^2? Each bomb has blast radius if 160m?

Also, the missiles and rockets have minimal difference when they are of comparable range. The main difference is in guidance. The precision guidance is really valuable to justify the slight increase in cost

No point of getting excited about 120km Pinaka 3 or Prahhar. Smerch lobby has blocked it for last 10 years.
Production order for 10,000 Pinaka Rockets was given in 2000 but even after 18 years only 6000 rocket have been produced
The increase of production capacity to 5000 rocket has been delayed and this increased is not likely to take place before 2020

India did not get Pinaka rockets in 2000. India only started the development. So, speaking about delay of production of an equipment that did not exist is not correct.

Also, now the backlog of technology development is huge and India needs time to develop other technology instead of spending more resources on manufacturing of already known technology.

When the resources have to be optimised, one has to make compromise between future and the present

 

[Chinmoy]

The simple rockets will raze 1sq km area by salvo of 12? That will mean the each rocket will take out about 0.083km^2? Each bomb has blast radius if 160m?

Also, the missiles and rockets have minimal difference when they are of comparable range. The main difference is in guidance. The precision guidance is really valuable to justify the slight increase in cost

India did not get Pinaka rockets in 2000. India only started the development. So, speaking about delay of production of an equipment that did not exist is not correct.

Also, now the backlog of technology development is huge and India needs time to develop other technology instead of spending more resources on manufacturing of already known technology.

When the resources have to be optimised, one has to make compromise between future and the present

Pinaka was used in Kargil, but in limited numbers.

The rocket was first used in the 1999 Kargil war against Pakistan.

https://web.archive.org/web/2018021...y-developed-rocket-pinaka-115040500033_1.html

 

[Kshithij]

Pinaka was used in Kargil, but in limited numbers.



https://web.archive.org/web/2018021...y-developed-rocket-pinaka-115040500033_1.html

Pinaka was used in Kargil, but in limited numbers.



https://web.archive.org/web/2018021...y-developed-rocket-pinaka-115040500033_1.html

Yes, you are right. The guided pinaka program began in 2000s. Otherwise, the unguided ones were made since 1992.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

No point of getting excited about 120km Pinaka 3 or Prahhar. Smerch lobby has blocked it for last 10 years.
Production order for 10,000 Pinaka Rockets was given in 2000 but even after 18 years only 6000 rocket have been produced
The increase of production capacity to 5000 rocket has been delayed and this increased is not likely to take place before 2020

Inability to produce smerch type system was perhaps attributable to the fact that DRDO's scientist were unable to make explosive mixed fuel and motor which can use such fuel. Perhaps, that is why a scientist told at the time of pinaka Mk2 test that they could conceive 120 km Pinaka then. They 120 Km Pinaka project conceived 2 decade back was perhaps too complicated project at that time.

 

[cobra commando]

DRDO turns Pinaka rocket system into guided missile, developmental trials soon

 

[HariPrasad-1]

DRDO turns Pinaka rocket system into guided missile, developmental trials soon

Scientist says it is a 5 m Accuracy rocket. This is phenomenal. Most of the missiles even do not provide this accuracy. MBRL is a weapon like machine gun but now pinata has emerged like a sniper rifle. You may not require many rockets to do the damage. We can target Military residence of PAK army Lahore very easily from around Amritsar.

 

[Enquirer]

Scientist says it is a 5 m Accuracy rocket. This is phenomenal. Most of the missiles even do not provide this accuracy. MBRL is a weapon like machine gun but now pinata has emerged like a sniper rifle. You may not require many rockets to do the damage. We can target Military residence of PAK army Lahore very easily from around Amritsar.

Well, the very first trial landed the rocket within 5 meters of expected landing - that doesn't really mean it has 5 meters accuracy. If the same feat can be done repeatedly (i.e more than 50% of the time in 100s of firings) then it would be designated as its 'spec'.
Per ARDE's own brochure the accuracy for 'guided Pinaka' is 60m-80m! As long as the CEP is within the blast radius of the payload it remains a very potent weapon!
US, Israel have guided rockets that provide accuracy of less than 10m.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Accuracy of unguided Pinaka around 800-1000m radius at 60km

Of only INS Guided Pinaka around 100-150m at 90km and INS+GPS guided around 10-20m

 

[Kshithij]

Accuracy of unguided Pinaka around 800-1000m radius at 60km

Of only INS Guided Pinaka around 100-150m at 90km and INS+GPS guided around 10-20m

Pinaka has 75km range at best. How did 90km range come from?

 

[Enquirer]

Accuracy of unguided Pinaka around 800-1000m radius at 60km

Of only INS Guided Pinaka around 100-150m at 90km and INS+GPS guided around 10-20m

Didn't know that Pinaka would be carries an INS guidance system! Isn't that too heavy to be retrofitted on top of the Pinaka (design)?

Also, the 90km range for Pinaka is new! I've only seen 75-80 kms being touted.

Are you talking about the next iteration of Pinaka that's purported to have 250kg payload?

 

[Kalki_2018]

Pinaka-II which hopefully will be 300+mm dia MBRL will have 120+ km range. Pinaka-1 Mk-II has 65 km unguided and 80+ km guided rocket.

 

[Pandeyji]

200,000 rockets required but only 6,000 supplied so far (that's just 3%)??
Appalling!!!

Thank the army. They never raised the required regiments or gave orders beyond initial 10k hoping to get some firangi system. Sometimes it looks like our Armed Forces, DRDO, OFB & Bureaucracy are in a competition to see who could be the worst

Pinaka was used in Kargil, but in limited numbers.

It was not used per se. More like a field test.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Well, the very first trial landed the rocket within 5 meters of expected landing - that doesn't really mean it has 5 meters accuracy. If the same feat can be done repeatedly (i.e more than 50% of the time in 100s of firings) then it would be designated as its 'spec'.
Per ARDE's own brochure the accuracy for 'guided Pinaka' is 60m-80m! As long as the CEP is within the blast radius of the payload it remains a very potent weapon!
US, Israel have guided rockets that provide accuracy of less than 10m.

So do you want to say that we can not achieve accuracy which US and Israel has achieved. Even our Agni series has 2 digit accuracy. 5 m cep is not a figure I have pulled out of my pocket. It is claimed by an official which I have quoted.

 

[Kshithij]

Pinaka-II which hopefully will be 300+mm dia MBRL will have 120+ km range. Pinaka-1 Mk-II has 65 km unguided and 80+ km guided rocket.

Then what will be the difference between Pinaka 2 and Prahaar missile? Prahaar misile has 150km range with 200kg warhead.

Pinaka being 120+ km range will be an overkill for a rocket.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Then what will be the difference between Pinaka 2 and Prahaar missile? Prahaar misile has 150km range with 200kg warhead.

Pinaka being 120+ km range will be an overkill for a rocket.

Just vertical launch and capability to hit in 360 degree across the azimuth.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I have a suggestion for Pinaka and Prahar. Just develop a fuel air explosive warhead for both the rocket. That shall be equivalent to 500 kg+ normal warhead.

 

[Chinmoy]

I have a suggestion for Pinaka and Prahar. Just develop a fuel air explosive warhead for both the rocket. That shall be equivalent to 500 kg+ normal warhead.

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[Enquirer]

So do you want to say that we can not achieve accuracy which US and Israel has achieved. Even our Agni series has 2 digit accuracy. 5 m cep is not a figure I have pulled out of my pocket. It is claimed by an official which I have quoted.

I never said any of the things that you're mouth frothing about.
I am saying that your 'conclusions' are premature (you might as well have pulled it from your orifice)! First (one) flight is not the basis for determining the CEP! The official (design) CEP is 60m-80m from ARDE's own brochure!
The design CEP could be based on the frequency at which GPS signal is received, response times of the actuators etc