Indian Historical Timeline debunked

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12,000 BCE First aryans
8,000 BCE Suryavansha Dynasty founded
7960 BCE Bharata Tribe Emerges
7,800 BCE Founding of the 36 Aryans Tribes
7,600 BCE Founding of the Sindhu-Sarasvati Cultures
7,550 BCE Towards Iran
7,500 BCE Towards Central Asias
7,400 BCE Towards China and SEA
7,400 BCE Founding of the Kulu Kingdome
7,400 BCE Founding of the Panchala Kingdome
7,300 BCE Founding of the Ghandharas Empire
7,000 BCE Founding of the 36 royal races
6,900 BCE Birth of the King Keśin Dālbhya of Kulu
6,600 BCE Most of the Janapadas emerges
6,000 BCE The Battles of the 10 Kings
6,000 BCE To 5,000 BCE Wars in the Central Asia
5,800 BCE Narshima comes to the Earth
5,500 BCE Division of the Vedic Society
5,000 BCE Ramayana
4,700 BCE Emperor Bharata
4,000 BCE 230 Janapadas
3,500 BCE Mahabharata
3,000 BCE Mahavira
2400 BCE Gautam Buddha
 
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6,800 BCE Ashvamedha
6,500 BCE Foundation of the Videhas Kingdome
6,400 BCE Total dominance of the Panchala Kingdome
6,050 BCE patronage for Brahmin sages and philosophers such as Yajnavalkya, Uddalaka Aruni, and Gargi Vachaknav
5,000 BCE Janaka Emerges in the Himalayas
5,000 BCE Foundation of the Magadh
3,000 BCE Emergence of the Mahajanpandas
2,400 BCE Changes in the Climate and Sea levels forces the end of the Sindhu Saraswati Cultures
2,400 BCE Emergence of the Pāṇini
2,400 BCE To 1,600 BCE Battle between Magdh Vajja Panchala and other Kingdomes forcthe dominances
2,000 to 1,000 BCE Battle between the Maghdh and Avanti for total dominance
2,000 BCE Establishment of the Haryanka dynasty
1,600 BCE Total Dominance of the Magdha Established
1,600 BCE Establishment of the Shaishunaga dynasty
1,000 BCE Foundation of the Nanda Empire
8,00 BCE Invasion of Sindhu by the Median Empires
800 BCE Chanakya and Chandra Gupta Maurya Emerges Victorious
7?? BCE Foundation of the Mauryan Empire
6?? BCE Ashoka Percsucate Kalinga Hindus
6?? BCE Pushyamitra Shunga Saves Hindus
5?? BCE Foundation of the Suhanga Empire
4?? BCE Early Sathavana Emerges
 

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Hey,I am interested because I don't know any better.but why did ashoka change his religion to buddhism.because the false reason you say here is also what I have heard and have been taught.
• 722–698 BCEChandragupta Hindu
• 698–672 BCEBindusara Ajivaka
• 668–632 BCEAshoka Buddhist
• 632–624 BCEDasharatha Buddhist
• 624–615 BCESamprati Jain
• 615–602 BCEShalishuka Jain
• 602–595 BCEDevavarman Jain
• 595–587 BCEShatadhanvan Jain
• 587–580 BCEBrihadratha Buddhist
 

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5,500 BCE First Sangam
3,700 BCE Second Sangam
600 BCE Third Sangam Period
600 BCE Foundation of Pandya Empire
600 BCE Foundation of Chenys empire
600 BCE Foundation of Chola Empire
500 BCE Foundation of Pallav Empire
600 BCE Three Crowned Kings
400 BCE Macedonian Invasion
350 BCE Kana Dynasty
350 BCE Kosambi Dynasty
350 BCE Establishment of the Chandragupt 2 Empire
320 BCE Establishment of the Indo-Greek Kingdom in India
300 BCE Satvanaha Emerges as a Dominant power
200 BCE Western Satraps Emerges
200 BCE Establishment of the Mahameghavahana dynasty
150 BCE Indo Parthinan Kingdome moves in India
100 BCE Establishment of the Kushan Empire
100 BCE Vikramaditya Fight with the foreign Empires
50 CE Gupta Empies Emerges Victourious
50 CE Domination of the Padamavati Empire in the areas ruled before by the Kushan Empire
40 CE Indo Sychtian Moves in India
100 CE Establisment of the Kalabhra dynasty
200 CE Huna Empire
200 CE Gauda Kingdom in Bengal
250 CE Kamapura Dynasty
250 CE Kadamba Empire
250 CE Western Ganga dynasty
250 CE Chola Empire
300 CE Chandragupt Gupta 2 Expands the Gupta Empire
350 CE Chandragupt Gupta 3 Expand the Gupta Empire to its Extents
350 CE Maitraka dynasty
350 CE Rai dynasty
450 CE Eastern Ganga Empire
500 CE vardhana Dynasty
500 CE Mlechchha dynasty
500 CE Chalukya dynasty
550 CE Harsha Empire
550 CE Nala Empire
650 CE Rashtrakuta dynasty
650 CE Eastern Chalukyas
700 CE Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty
700 CE Pala Empire
750 CE Yadava Dynasty
800 CE Chandelas of Jejakabhukti
800 CE Paramara dynasty
850 CE Chaulukya dynasty
850 CE Hoysala Empire
950 CE Sena Empire
 

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6,800 BCE Ashvamedha
6,500 BCE Foundation of the Videhas Kingdome
6,400 BCE Total dominance of the Panchala Kingdome
6,050 BCE patronage for Brahmin sages and philosophers such as Yajnavalkya, Uddalaka Aruni, and Gargi Vachaknav
5,000 BCE Janaka Emerges in the Himalayas
5,000 BCE Foundation of the Magadh
3,000 BCE Emergence of the Mahajanpandas
2,400 BCE Changes in the Climate and Sea levels forces the end of the Sindhu Saraswati Cultures
2,400 BCE Emergence of the Pāṇini
2,400 BCE To 1,600 BCE Battle between Magdh Vajja Panchala and other Kingdomes forcthe dominances
2,000 to 1,000 BCE Battle between the Maghdh and Avanti for total dominance
2,000 BCE Establishment of the Haryanka dynasty
1,600 BCE Total Dominance of the Magdha Established
1,600 BCE Establishment of the Shaishunaga dynasty
1,000 BCE Foundation of the Nanda Empire
8,00 BCE Invasion of Sindhu by the Median Empires
800 BCE Chanakya and Chandra Gupta Maurya Emerges Victorious
7?? BCE Foundation of the Mauryan Empire
6?? BCE Ashoka Percsucate Kalinga Hindus
6?? BCE Pushyamitra Shunga Saves Hindus
5?? BCE Foundation of the Suhanga Empire
4?? BCE Early Sathavana Emerges
Timeline is vague here. Chandragupta & Seleucid Nicator had a series of battles back after Alexander invasion. Possible in 302 BC after Alexander's death in 323 BC. Also there are clear records of Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC much before Alexander. Indian contingent under King Xerxes also took part in it. Possibly Gandhara & Punjab armies.
 

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Timeline is vague here. Chandragupta & Seleucid Nicator had a series of battles back after Alexander invasion. Possible in 302 BC after Alexander's death in 323 BC. Also there are clear records of Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC much before Alexander. Indian contingent under King Xerxes also took part in it. Possibly Gandhara & Punjab armies.
Accourding to recent studies The Greek encountered ChandraGupta of the Firts Gupta dynasty and not the Chandra Gupta Maurya of the Maurya dyansty. Vikramaditya was a real figure who established a new Gupta dynasty which continued until 600 CE. Chandragupta from the 300 BC was a another knewn Emperor of the same dynasty so we might have four to five ChandraGupt Emperors.
 

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Accourding to recent studies The Greek encountered ChandraGupta of the Firts Gupta dynasty and not the Chandra Gupta Maurya of the Maurya dyansty. Vikramaditya was a real figure who established a new Gupta dynasty which continued until 600 CE. Chandragupta from the 300 BC was a another knewn Emperor of the same dynasty so we might have four to five ChandraGupt Emperors.
There was a confusion about which Chandragupta but was later cleared I guess. Guptas definitely arrived later. Vikramaditya I think had definite battles with outside forces that is Huns.
The confusion was created by Sir William Jones, who was tasked to study the ancient history. He had initially came up with the true details with the help of a pundit Radha Kant, but his study was rejected at the British court since the antiquity was much more than the Christian belief. Sir Jones was then forced to make another “compact” version of Indian history and conveniently created Chandragupta Maurya (omitting the Guptas) as the dynasty ruling Magadha at the time Alexander’s invasion. Sir Jones tried to justify by basing his studies on the records of Megasthenes, which actually never existed as claimed but rather in bits and pieces, later on re-created by a German historian in 19th century based on the accounts of several Greek writers who had taken excerpts from the so called book Indica.
 

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There was a confusion about which Chandragupta but was later cleared I guess. Guptas definitely arrived later. Vikramaditya I think had definite battles with outside forces that is Huns.
The confusion was created by Sir William Jones, who was tasked to study the ancient history. He had initially came up with the true details with the help of a pundit Radha Kant, but his study was rejected at the British court since the antiquity was much more than the Christian belief. Sir Jones was then forced to make another “compact” version of Indian history and conveniently created Chandragupta Maurya (omitting the Guptas) as the dynasty ruling Magadha at the time Alexander’s invasion. Sir Jones tried to justify by basing his studies on the records of Megasthenes, which actually never existed as claimed but rather in bits and pieces, later on re-created by a German historian in 19th century based on the accounts of several Greek writers who had taken excerpts from the so called book Indica.
The problem is we had actually four to five Chandragupta Emperors the father of the ChandraGupta from 300 CE , Ghatotchka was actually an Emperor of an declined empire which was later expanded by the ChandraGupta and later by his Grandson ChandraGupta and there is possibility of another ChandrGupta of Uknown origin between the times of the Vikramaditya.

There could be many gupta empire periods first could be during the Greek Invansion. Second could be the foundation of a new Gupta Empire by Vikramaditya and third could be the ChandraGupta during the 300 CE.

Chanakya and VishnuGupta could be different persons from different timeline and who wrote Arthashastra . o_O
 
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The problem is we had actually four to five Chandragupta Emperors the father of the ChandraGupta from 300 CE , Ghatotchka was actually an Emperor of an declined empire which was later expanded by the ChandraGupta and later by his Grandson ChandraGupta and there is possibility of another ChandrGupta of Uknown origin between the times of the Vikramaditya.

There could be many gupta empire periods first could be during the Greek Invansion. Second could be the foundation of a new Gupta Empire by Vikramaditya and third could be the ChandraGupta during the 300 CE.

Chanakya and VishnuGupta could be different persons from different timeline and who wrote Arthashastra . o_O
Yep that is actually true. The thing is ancient Persian accounts & Greek somehow accurately point out about possible expansion of Achaemenid empire. That included Gandhara & possibilly Punjab too which was considered to be most valuable province of the empire. There are Myths about Cyrus the Great possible invasion into India that got repelled by an unknown Indian king.
In the Battle of Thermopylae Indian contingent was part of top tier of Xerxes armies. There are accounts of Indian soldiers fighting for Darius 3 in battle of Gaugamela vs Alexander.

Another interesting Myth is about Assyrian Queen Semiramis failed invasion into India at the time of a King called Straboborates. Some trace his lineage from Ikshvaku dynasty of lord Ram.
The period after 700 BC -1000 BC is considered dark & their is clear lack of evidence during that period.
 

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Yep that is actually true. The thing is ancient Persian accounts & Greek somehow accurately point out about possible expansion of Achaemenid empire. That included Gandhara & possibilly Punjab too which was considered to be most valuable province of the empire. There are Myths about Cyrus the Great possible invasion into India that got repelled by an unknown Indian king.
In the Battle of Thermopylae Indian contingent was part of top tier of Xerxes armies. There are accounts of Indian soldiers fighting for Darius 3 in battle of Gaugamela vs Alexander.

Another interesting Myth is about Assyrian Queen Semiramis failed invasion into India at the time of a King called Straboborates. Some trace his lineage from Ikshvaku dynasty of lord Ram.
The period after 700 BC -1000 BC is considered dark & their is clear lack of evidence during that period.
Megasthenes, the Greek ambassador in the final years of Chandragupta's court, does not mention Durdhara nor use the name Bindusara, but refers to Chandragupta's successor as Amitrochates, while the Hindu scholar Patanjali calls him Amitraghata (meaning "vanquisher of foes"). Scholars consider the Bindusara of Jain texts to be the same as Amitraghata or totally different.
 

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12,000 BCE First aryans
8,000 BCE Suryavansha Dynasty founded
7960 BCE Bharata Tribe Emerges
7,800 BCE Founding of the 36 Aryans Tribes
7,600 BCE Founding of the Sindhu-Sarasvati Cultures
7,550 BCE Towards Iran
7,500 BCE Towards Central Asias
7,400 BCE Towards China and SEA
7,400 BCE Founding of the Kulu Kingdome
7,400 BCE Founding of the Panchala Kingdome
7,300 BCE Founding of the Ghandharas Empire
7,000 BCE Founding of the 36 royal races
6,900 BCE Birth of the King Keśin Dālbhya of Kulu
6,600 BCE Most of the Janapadas emerges
6,000 BCE The Battles of the 10 Kings
6,000 BCE To 5,000 BCE Wars in the Central Asia
5,800 BCE Narshima comes to the Earth
5,500 BCE Division of the Vedic Society
5,000 BCE Ramayana
4,700 BCE Emperor Bharata
4,000 BCE 230 Janapadas
3,500 BCE Mahabharata
3,000 BCE Mahavira
2400 BCE Gautam Buddha

Haldilal thank you for this. I think this timeline is so important it needs it own new thread so it can reach the future members.

And yes I think this thread needs a clean break from the past. anything pre-2019 was pure garbage which will further confusing any new readers. We can keep that thread as it as and branch a new thread from last 5-10 pages.
 

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Hello Roshan - Please see this. Ashoka was already Buddhist before Kalinga war.

Emperor Asvoka converted during his forth regin. Some says during the first regin. The confusion arises due to no one exactly knews when he rises to the throne.
 

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Accourding to recent studies The Greek encountered ChandraGupta of the Firts Gupta dynasty and not the Chandra Gupta Maurya of the Maurya dyansty. Vikramaditya was a real figure who established a new Gupta dynasty which continued until 600 CE. Chandragupta from the 300 BC was a another knewn Emperor of the same dynasty so we might have four to five ChandraGupt Emperors.
If you push back the Gupta-Vakataka period, you have to also push back the hephthalites, then also the Sassanians, then the Scythians, Kushans before them. It becomes a cluttered mess.

You have to push back the Gupta script to the time of the Greek invasions, then you have to push back the older archaic Maurya Brahmi script even further which mentions Greeks Buddhist at the frontiers of India, etc. Then you have to push back the Greek kings mentioned in Egypt, M.E., Greece, etc. based on those inscriptions as well. If that's the case then you have to push back the Medians, Persians even further back. Heliodorus the Indo-Greek Hindu would have to be pushed back as well. Which doesnt make sense in your timeline, because the Sungas and Indo-Greeks are of a different timeline with significant gap.

This scenario you mention completely messes up multiple timelines, puts people in positions in the global they should not be, etc. Overlaps empires of different cultural, ethnic groups. If you push back one group, then you have to push back another group who had contact with it, then you have to push back another group that had contact with that group, it just becomes a big mess.
 

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If you push back the Gupta-Vakataka period, you have to also push back the hephthalites, then also the Sassanians, then the Scythians, Kushans before them. It becomes a cluttered mess.

You have to push back the Gupta script to the time of the Greek invasions, then you have to push back the older archaic Maurya Brahmi script even further which mentions Greeks Buddhist at the frontiers of India, etc. Then you have to push back the Greek kings mentioned in Egypt, M.E., Greece, etc. based on those inscriptions as well. If that's the case then you have to push back the Medians, Persians even further back. Heliodorus the Indo-Greek Hindu would have to be pushed back as well. Which doesnt make sense in your timeline, because the Sungas and Indo-Greeks are of a different timeline with significant gap.

This scenario you mention completely messes up multiple timelines, puts people in positions in the global they should not be, etc. Overlaps empires of different cultural, ethnic groups. If you push back one group, then you have to push back another group who had contact with it, then you have to push back another group that had contact with that group, it just becomes a big mess.
The Greeks never mentioned the real indian names and the history about the Invansion of the Median Empire, Assamedian Empire is lost or delibatery misplaced and ignored, about the Text and script I will post about it some other time in detail.
 
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The Greeks never mentioned the real indian names and the history about the Invansion of the Median Empire, Assamedian Empire is lost or delibaterl misplaced and ignored, about the Text and script I will post about it some other time in detail.
If you push back the Gupta-Vakataka period to the time of the Greek invasions you're not just pushing them back, but several interconnected peoples and empires. To put it bluntly, it's a big mess.
 

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If you push back the Gupta-Vakataka period to the time of the Greek invasions you're not just pushing them back, but several interconnected peoples and empires. To put it bluntly, it's a big mess.
Ok I will make more detail explanation of that later in my free time.
 

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If you push back the Gupta-Vakataka period to the time of the Greek invasions you're not just pushing them back, but several interconnected peoples and empires. To put it bluntly, it's a big mess.
Greek writers mentioned about a King named amitrochates Megasthenes, the Greek ambassador in the final years of Chandragupta's court, does not mention Durdhara nor use the name Bindusara, but refers to Chandragupta's successor as Amitrochates, while the Hindu scholar Patanjali calls him Amitraghata (meaning "vanquisher of foes") son of ChandraGupta dont knew which chandragupta. Many Scholars consider the Bindusara of Jain texts to be the different as Amitraghata or totally different.
 

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During the 6th millennium BCE Proto-Indo-Europeans lived in the Punjab region of northern India. As the result of demographic expansion, they spread into Bactria as the Kambojas. The Paradas moved further and inhabited the Caspian coast and much of central Asia while the Cinas moved northwards and inhabited the Tarim Basin in northwestern China, forming the Tocharian group of I-E speakers. These groups were Proto-Anatolian and inhabited that region by 2000 BCE. These people took the oldest form of the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) language with them and, while interacting with people of the Anatolian and Balkan region, transformed it into a separate dialect. While inhabiting central Asia they discovered the uses of the horse, which they later sent back to the Urheimat. Later on during their history, they went on to occupy western Europe and thus spread the Indo-European languages to that region.

During the 4th millennium BCE, civilisation in India started evolving into what became the urban Indus Valley Civilization. During this time, the PIE languages evolved to Proto-Indo-Iranian. Some time during this period, the Indo-Iranians began to separate as the result of internal rivalry and conflict, with the Iranians expanding westwards towards Mesopotamia and Persia, these possibly were the Pahlavas. They also expanded into parts of central Asia. By the end of this migration, India was left with the Proto-Indo-Aryans. At the end of the Mature Harappan period, the Sarasvati river began drying up and the remainder of the Indo-Aryans split into separate groups.

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Many of records clearly states many generation if kings just omitted. Maurya court at Patna at c. 300 BCE, reported to have heard of a traditional list of 153 kings that covered 6042 years, beyond the traditional beginning of the Kaliyuga in 3102 BCE. The royal lists are based on Sūta bardic traditions, and are derived from lists which were orally transmitted and constantly reshaped.
 

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In August 1995, a gathering of 43 historians and archaeologists from South-Indian universities at the initiative of Prof. K.M. Rao, Dr. N. Mahalingam and Dr. S.D. Kulkarni passed a resolution fixing the date of the Bharata war at 3139–38 BC and declaring this date to be the true sheet anchor of Indian chronology. The Indian civilization must be viewed as an unbroken tradition that goes back to the earliest period of the Sindhu-Sarasvati Culture tradition 7000 or 8000 BCE.

The history of Bharatvarsh which is now called India is the description of the timeless glory of the Divine dignitaries who not only Graced the soils of India with their presence and Divine intelligence, but they also showed and revealed the true path of peace, happiness and the Divine enlightenment for the souls of the world that still is the guideline for in an Productive style.
 

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