Indian EMB-145 AEW&C

[SATISH]

Hey, please don't call me sir. I am a Bleach fan like you.

I don't really know the exact reason on why a jet was chosen. A jet is always a superior platform. But it's fuel consumption is greater. However I am guessing we can install much more powerful power plants in order to power the electronics which the DRDO AEW&C has in plenty. There is always higher upgrade potential and the fact that a jet can fly better over the great mountains compared to turboprops. The only disadvantage is it is more expensive to maintain and that it has greater loiter time.

The Dorsal blade arrangement is superior when it comes to such smaller platforms. You see at any one time only one of the 2 radars is turned on. So, while the AEW is flying parallel to the border only one side emits and 120deg is quite good. This provides more power to the T/R modules and enables greater search ranges. A triangular arrangement will simply increase costs and there is a major weight penalty and such small aircraft cannot afford it.

Airawat is for bygone times. It is more in the range of E-2C. This setup no longer fits IAF requirements or most other air forces as a matter of fact.

The Erieye or LRDE type of AEW&C do have blind spots, but flying the right way will negate this. The Navy cannot use this kind of setup because they need to scan the entire sky. So, they need a triangular setup. As for interoperability with Phalcon etc, yes our AEW&C will be integrated into our defence network. The LRDE AEW&C is supposed to datalink with 40 air assets apart from ground assets. Phalcon can be one of them. Hopefully the number can be doubled. Current orders are for 4 platforms and IAF may be looking at an option for 20 more.

Phalcon is a different beast altogether. Israel is going for a smaller Gulfstream platform while we will stick to IL-76.

Well I would love to see something like the GHQ where everything is integrated into one single system and can completely give a full picture to the whole bunch of all the decision makers. It would be one awesome move and make the forces a NC force operating at max efficiency. The GAGAN will also play a great role in this when connected to the AFNET.

So LRDE AWACS must be inducted in more numbers compared to the existing numbers is my opinion to maintain a complete vigilance over the airspace.

 

[p2prada]

Well I would love to see something like the GHQ where everything is integrated into one single system and can completely give a full picture to the whole bunch of all the decision makers. It would be one awesome move and make the forces a NC force operating at max efficiency. The GAGAN will also play a great role in this when connected to the AFNET.

AFNET is meant for communications for all 3 services. The correct word is IACCS. This will combine everything, you name it and it's in the IACCS. Ground stations, air stations, fighters, UAVs, UCAVs, satellites, balloons etc. IACCS will use the AFNET for communications within our territory.

There was a demonstration of AFNET last year where Mig-29s destroyed a target painted using the digital information grid and all that was relayed on large screens LIVE at the Air force auditorium at Subroto Park.

So LRDE AWACS must be inducted in more numbers compared to the existing numbers is my opinion to maintain a complete vigilance over the airspace.

Yes. The need is for large numbers of AEW&C operating everywhere. IAF alone require 24 such small platforms apart from an unknown number of larger Phalcon type platforms. IN has emphasized on 20 odd P-8Is along with a number of AEW&C as well.

Who knows by the end of the decade we may require dozens of them. Our requirements will possibly be as big as USAF and PLAAF.

The Wedgetail is also on Dorsal fins and there is a single radar placed in a top hat arrangement. It is as capable as the Phalcon if not better.

 

[SATISH]

AFNET is meant for communications for all 3 services. The correct word is IACCS. This will combine everything, you name it and it's in the IACCS. Ground stations, air stations, fighters, UAVs, UCAVs, satellites, balloons etc. IACCS will use the AFNET for communications within our territory.

There was a demonstration of AFNET last year where Mig-29s destroyed a target painted using the digital information grid and all that was relayed on large screens LIVE at the Air force auditorium at Subroto Park.



Yes. The need is for large numbers of AEW&C operating everywhere. IAF alone require 24 such small platforms apart from an unknown number of larger Phalcon type platforms. IN has emphasized on 20 odd P-8Is along with a number of AEW&C as well.

Who knows by the end of the decade we may require dozens of them. Our requirements will possibly be as big as USAF and PLAAF.

The Wedgetail is also on Dorsal fins and there is a single radar placed in a top hat arrangement. It is as capable as the Phalcon if not better.

I still cant understand the difference between MESA in Wedgetail and the AESA in the Phalcon. But the electrical power output is one of the major factors in detection range and avionics thats why perhaps the DRDO stuck with the Jet platform.

And AFNET is owned by the IAF.

 

[jamwal]

What's the latest news on this ? It's been a long time since last pictures and some information was released

 

[p2prada]

I still cant understand the difference between MESA in Wedgetail and the AESA in the Phalcon. But the electrical power output is one of the major factors in detection range and avionics thats why perhaps the DRDO stuck with the Jet platform.

And AFNET is owned by the IAF.

The same as France's definition of omnirole and the general definition of multirole.

AESAs are multirole capable because of a principle called subarray partitioning or subarray choreographing, thanks to Gambit.

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T/R modules are separated into smaller arrays which performs individual functions together. For eg: One set can be used for search, other can be tracking some targets and one set can be jamming the targets all at once. At the same time another set can be searching the surface in the look down mode. Therefore Multirole ESA otherwise known as Active ESA.

AFNET is owned by the IAF, but is used by all services. It has connected be some 100 odd air bases, hundreds of army bases and 33 naval stations in a 40000 Km OFC network.

 

[KS]

India's prying plane hits the skies; all planned tests met: Embraer

The first of three EMB 145I Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) aircraft platforms, ordered by the Indian government for IAF, had its successful 'official' maiden flight at Embraer's headquarters, in São José do Campos, today. The flight is said to have performed all planned tests successfully.

 

[lemontree]

Good news. We need these fast.

 

[Daredevil]

A great news indeed. We should make at least 20 of them to cover all of India and its neighboring regions.

 

[binayak95]

Great news indeed . The IAF Needs at least 15-20 of these and needs them fast. I wonder how short a time it took for the AEW project vis-a-vis the LCA project

 

[warriorextreme]

one or two of these every year will be awesome

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[pmaitra]

More I look at the plane, I see some similarities with the NAL Saras. I wonder why India cannot churn out one like that?

 

[Sridhar]

This flight concludes another important phase in this program and starts the flight test campaign," said Eduardo Bonini Santos Pinto, Senior Vice President Operations & COO – Embraer Defense and Security. "We are moving toward delivery of the first aircraft during the first half 2012."

EMBRAER PERFORMS FIRST FLIGHT OF THE EMB 145 AEW&C PLATFORM DEVELOPED FOR THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT

 

[Sridhar]

More I look at the plane, I see some similarities with the NAL Saras. I wonder why India cannot churn out one like that?

Saras is very small compared to this plane and it doesn't have the power requirements for this type of plane . Our regional jet may replace it in future.

 

[pmaitra]

Saras is very small compared to this plane and it doesn't have the power requirements for this type of plane . Our regional jet may replace it in future.

True. My point is that Brazil is doing pretty well in developing planes than us. We need to go beyond fighter planes and quick.

 

[nitesh]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but this seems to be flying with dummy payloads, once it comes to India, it will be fitted with the real hardware, and then the actual testing phase of the total system will start, currently with dummy system, the plane will be tested for the flight envelop.

The number of these will be increased, once the initial testing shows progress.

I have read some where, that there is plan in place to go for bigger planes, once this system matures.

 

[KS]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but this seems to be flying with dummy payloads, once it comes to India, it will be fitted with the real hardware, and then the actual testing phase of the total system will start, currently with dummy system, the plane will be tested for the flight envelop.

The number of these will be increased, once the initial testing shows progress.

I have read some where, that there is plan in place to go for bigger planes, once this system matures.

I dont know about the payloads inside the plane. But the radar is real.

 

[Sridhar]

Embraer's Contract is just for modifying the airframe so the Antenna array unit can be installed . The subsystem Integration Will be done by CABS after delivery.

 

[Sridhar]

Maiden flight of first indigenous Indian Airborne Warning and Control System (AEW&C)

The first fully modified Aircraft for indigenously developed Indian Airborne Warning and Control
System(AEW&C) took to skies on 06 December 2011, as part of its first maiden flight in Embraer
facilities at Sao Jose dos Campos in Brazil with about 1000 Mission System Components provided by
CABS, DRDO. These include the critical item – AESA (Active Electronic Scanning Antenna) Radar Antenna
developed by DRDO and certified from ANAC, International FAR Certification Agency.
"The flight is a major milestone towards realizing the dream o
and Control System, which will put India into a Select Club of Countries" said SA to RM cong
DRDO Scientists and M/s Embraer Engineers on this achievement. While this Aircraft will now undergo full certification process over next two year period, India
will receive two aircrafts by middle of next year. Here, the Mission Systems developed by Various DRDO
Labs will be integrated with these aircrafts. Currently , these systems are undergoing ground integration
and evaluation at CABS (Centre for Airbourne Systems), Bangalore. Two of these systems will be delivered to IAF after detailed Test & Evaluation by end 2013. With the advent of this, India is looking forward to join the league of Countries capable of
developing and delivering such complex Airborne System of Systems to its user.

DRDO Press release

 

[Dovah]

This looks great with the paint job!!!!!

 

[Galaxy]

MAIDEN FLIGHT OF FIRST INDIGENOUS INDIAN AIRBORNE WARNING AND CONTROL SYSTEM

The first fully modified Aircraft for indigenously developed Indian Airborne Warning and Control System (AEW&C) took to skies yesterday, as part of its first maiden flight in Embraer facilities at Sao Jose dos Campos in Brazil with about 1000 Mission System Components provided by CABS, DRDO. These include the critical item – AESA (Active Electronic Scanning Antenna) Radar Antenna developed by DRDO and certified from ANAC, International FAR Certification Agency.

"The flight is a major milestone towards realizing the dream of indigenous Airborne Early Warning and Control System, which will put India into a select club of countries" said Dr. VK Saraswat, Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri congratulating DRDO Scientists and M/s Embraer Engineers on this achievement.

While this Aircraft will now undergo full certification process over next two years, India will receive two aircrafts by middle of next year. Here, the Mission Systems developed by various DRDO labs will be integrated with these aircrafts. Currently, these systems are undergoing ground integration and evaluation at the Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS), Bangalore.

Two of these systems will be delivered to IAF after detailed Test and Evaluation by 2013.

With the advent of this, India is looking forward to join the league of countries capable of developing and delivering such complex Airborne System of Systems to its user.

Chindits: MAIDEN FLIGHT OF FIRST INDIGENOUS INDIAN AIRBORNE WARNING AND CONTROL SYSTEM