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Ya'll Nibbiars all due to the policies.
More because of lack of vision rather than policies. We never thought beyond Indian boundaries.

When Jacky chan came to India, he said that he sees Bollywood movies. He had seen three idiots. It was a fantastic move but Indian did not do required publicity world wide. It would have seen by lot more people had publicity done with global vision. This is our traditional weakness. We have to overcome that to be a global player.

I listen to the comment of a French guy who said that he saw first Indian movie in 2010. Since than, he at least see one movie per week. he has seen over 600 movies in last 10 years. Indian food, art , culture is very vibrant and can be of a deep interest to people but we need to present it in proper way.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars being food surplus is 30 years old story. And again you have iterated the same our policies are to be blame. Better to export than wasting it's.
food exports can happen only when there is crop diversification, crop diversification can happen only when paddy and wheat are not incentivised. Farm laws are a step in this direction

And when they say food exports, they mean value added agri products as well.

core of the agri exports revolves around free trade agreements, those top 10 countries have and we don’t. FTA negotiations are on, but we don’t know when they will conclude. from a farmers point of view, they prefer steady income they won’t invest in crops where they don’t know if next year a particular crop is going to exported or not.

Next is transport, massive investments are being done DFC & expressways are good examples, since everyday of transit counts for unprocessed agri exports.

ultimately point is, there are efforts and investments being made. it will take a few more years for Indian farmers & food processors to get comfortable with exports.
 

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food exports can happen only when there is crop diversification, crop diversification can happen only when paddy and wheat are not incentivised. Farm laws are a step in this direction

And when they say food exports, they mean value added agri products as well.

core of the agri exports revolves around free trade agreements, those top 10 countries have and we don’t. FTA negotiations are on, but we don’t know when they will conclude. from a farmers point of view, they prefer steady income they won’t invest in crops where they don’t know if next year a particular crop is going to exported or not.

Next is transport, massive investments are being done DFC & expressways are good examples, since everyday of transit counts for unprocessed agri exports.

ultimately point is, there are efforts and investments being made. it will take a few more years for Indian farmers & food processors to get comfortable with exports.
We have some excellent things like chavan prash and many other preparation. In my opinion, Patanjali is all set to do it.
 

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food exports can happen only when there is crop diversification, crop diversification can happen only when paddy and wheat are not incentivised. Farm laws are a step in this direction

And when they say food exports, they mean value added agri products as well.

core of the agri exports revolves around free trade agreements, those top 10 countries have and we don’t. FTA negotiations are on, but we don’t know when they will conclude. from a farmers point of view, they prefer steady income they won’t invest in crops where they don’t know if next year a particular crop is going to exported or not.

Next is transport, massive investments are being done DFC & expressways are good examples, since everyday of transit counts for unprocessed agri exports.

ultimately point is, there are efforts and investments being made. it will take a few more years for Indian farmers & food processors to get comfortable with exports.
Ya'll Nibbiars we could had achieved this in 90's but the Narhsima proposal was cut short and the even VP singh reforms didn't happened. We are thirty years late. But better late than sorry.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars the Chinese at work disrupting the supplier to the Micromax and Lava. And stopping them to participating in the contract's.

These thing happen in tenders, it's good that Lava is complaining to Yogi himself.

Officers must have taken bribes to disqualify Lava.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars remember in the late 1980's Ambani was a corporate raider with the Pariawar's money and was almost succeeded in the Gaining control's over the L & T if not have been stopped by then V.P Singh with the purchase of the share by the LIC and GIC. Would have divided the L & T and sold off's. And Ambani almost become a brankcrupt if not for the Pariwar money.
 

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Ya’ll Nibbiars Largest Food exports by country , value of food exports (US Dollars, Thousands)
India is not in top 10 but China is at 4th place
1United States72,682,349.79
2Germany34,628,800.73
3United Kingdom29,540,218.71
4China25,152,286.27
5France24,114,557.76
6Netherlands23,271,570.93
7Japan21,870,881.77
8Canada21,803,448.88
9Belgium15,742,034.88
10Italy13,890,507.81
Food exports aren't just farm exports but requires value addition through processing.

The countries listed above are also major net importers of food (farm) products while we are net exporters.
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These charts don't represent real picture as our exports are mostly raw produce were UK US etc are more into processed food.

Inspite of so much of diversity in food, we are nowhere. Big boost needed in thjis sector.
To become successful in food processing business is difficult. There are all sorts of international regualtions and trade deals that may or may not favor certain countries. Also there is a need for famous brands that appeal to foreign customers.

Eg. McIlhenny, a US company sells their hot sauce world wide and makes money. They have a big brand recognition of Tabasco. They import their chilli from africa and s america for cheap, process it and sell it with a big margin overseas.

For India it is bit different as we already have a huge domestic market who have much different taste buds compared to global trends. Therefore most businesses people don't bother with foreign markets and try to focus on Indian business. There are some success stories though like Haldiram but they target their products to mostly Indians living abroad.

Also India needs to shed its image as a dirty/filthy country on world stage as a lot of potential consumers would turn away from Made in India logo on their food items.

India can be a supplier to other companies but because of way our farm laws work and lack of infrastructure and most importantly no incentive from gov to companies in this sectors makes foreign companies avoid indian suppliers.

Ya'll Nibbiars being food surplus is 30 years old story. And again you have iterated the same our policies are to be blame. Better to export than wasting it's.
True, but storage and transportation are major problems. Also many crops grown in India fail to meet strict western parameters such as ammount of pesticides used, trace metals, etc.

I think exports in farm sector will happen when new farm laws will be fully implemented. When our farm sector will open up to private players there will be a revival in food sector economy and also exports. Currently our farmer can't even sell crops produced in one state to another state forget about selling it overseas.
 

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@HariPrasad-1 there is always one thing bothering me about agriculture is that do we have enough space to feed our own population with a decent diet and export the Surplus.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars

And in The 1987, a move by Manu Chhabria to pick up a one per cent stake in Larsen & Toubro (L&T) triggered multiple controversies that ended only 16 years later in 2003, after many riveting political and boardroom dramas. By then, two of the corporate protagonists were dead and employees of the giant engineering conglomerate had taken charge of its destiny.

The Dubai-based Chhabria had burst on the Indian business scene only two years before with a series of high-profile buys like Shaw Wallace, Dunlop, Hindustan Dorr-Oliver, to name a few. His entry, however, was less than welcome for India's professional managers not least because of his brash management style. So, when Chhabria turned his attentions to the blue-chip L&T, a company that had been established in 1938 by two Danish engineers but lacked identifiable promoters and an attractive target for takeover tycoons, the company's management duly reacted.

The Then N M Desai asked Reliance Industries (RIL) Chairman, Dhirubhai Ambani to invest in the company's shares as a white knight. Now, Ambani, then well on his way to becoming one of India's most powerful businessmen, rarely let any opportunity pass and he immediately bought 12.4 per cent from the open market. Backed by the Congress Party, Ambani continued to corner more shares from the open market and by 1989 increased his stake to 18.5 per cent by spending close to Rs 190 crore. Remember, all this took place long before the takeover code and market regulator Securities and Exchange Board of India came into play. And as The chairman of L&T, one of Ambani's first decisions was to ask the company to grant RIL supplier's credit of Rs 570 crore. The cash-rich construction company was also asked to buy RIL shares worth Rs 76 crore from the market from entities close to Reliance. Another controversial decision by Ambani was to make L&T take on more debt. Ambani was no white knight in the conventionally understood sense of the term. Armed with his sizeable stake, he immediately sought, and was granted, board seats for himself and for his sons Mukesh and Anil. It was Desai, the man who had invited Ambani on board, who paid the price for his defensive strategy. He was shunted out as chairman in favour of Dhirubhai. The L&T soon realised that the advent of the Ambanis may have warded off the threat from Chhabria but it was to be no picnic under the Ambani dispensation. L&T was important for Reliance because the company was constructing RIL's petrochemicals complex. But Ambani was also interested in L&T's substantial cash flows. But the party soon ended for the Ambanis.

In 1989, in a humiliating defeat, the Congress, led by the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, lost power to V P Singh. Soon it became clear that the new Prime Minister Singh was not a friend of the Ambanis or any big business, for that matter; Singh's tenure saw the revival of the raid raj. The government immediately asked state-owned Life Insurance Corporation, the dominant shareholder, to make sure that the Ambanis were out of L&T. Ambani was forced to resign from the board and former State Bank of India chairman D N Ghosh was asked to replace him. This was also the time when Ambanis were fighting a bitter battle with Nusli Wadia of Bombay Dyeing for supremacy in the petrochemicals business. The Indian Express, led by its feisty Chairman Ramnath Goenka and editor Arun Shourie, wrote a series of exposes about RIL, its controversial takeover of L&T among them.

Meanwhile, under Ghosh, L&T immediately withdrew the supplier's credit to Reliance and started off-loading RIL shares in the market. Though Dhirubhai's sons Mukesh and Anil were still on L&T's board, they soon realised that with a hostile government at the Centre, it was impossible to control the company, since the majority shareholding was still with government-owned institutions. But The luck favoured Ambani. V P Singh's minority government soon collapsed and was replaced in 1990 by Chandra Shekhar, who had closer links to the Ambanis. Ghosh was asked to resign. The Supreme Court also ruled in Ambani's favour. But the economy was also in ruins as a result of a drain on the country's forex reserves. With the general elections of 1991 bringing the Congress back to power in a minority government under PV Narasimha Rao , the Ambanis tried to make a comeback.

In June 1991, the Ambanis had enough shares and proxies to vote Dhirubhai Ambanai back as chairman and Mukesh as the managing director. But following pressure from the Opposition, Prime Minister Rao decided to stay away from the battle. In fact, following orders from the then finance minister Manmohan Singh LIC sought an adjournment of the Extraordinary General Meeting in August 1991 which was to vote on bringing Ambanis back to L&T. Shareholders close to Ambanis, however, refused to vacate the hall. By then, the Ambanis also realised that it would not be possible for the Congress-led minority to openly support them. Hence, by September they decided to stay away from L&T and dropped resolutions to be installed as chairman and managing director. After that, the Ambanis stayed on as passive investors in L&T for more than a decade. The calm seemed to have returned on L&T with professionals managing the company. But the Ambanis had one more surprise in store for the company. In November 2001, the Ambanis abruptly sold their remaining 10.05 per cent stake in L&T to Kumar Mangalam Birla's Grasim. Grasim was directly competing with L&T in the cement business, which is why it wanted to take over the company.

But Birla completely misunderstood one person: A M Naik, the doughty CEO & MD of the company appointed only three year before. Born and educated in a Gujarat village, Naik was not to be cowed down by the corporate raiders. He soon rallied L&T employees behind him and exhorted them to take destiny in their own hands. Instead of remaining servants to others, Naik asked his employees to become owners of the company. "We should perform so well that it should become impossible for anyone to buy shares in our company because good results will make the stock expensive," Naik told them.

Under Naik, L&T finally found its true leader from within. Naik fought Birla's entry into the company tooth and nail and made representations to everyone from the prime minister to LIC to let L&T retain its professional management culture. After months of negotiations, Birla exited L&T by selling its stake to an employees' trust run by L&Ts employees in June 2003. In return, Birlas received L&T's cement division and named it UltraTech. It was a win-win deal for both. The fate of L&T was finally in the hands of its own employees. From then on, there has been no turning back for L&T and Naik. Since June 2003, the market value of L&T has gone up 25 times, from Rs 6,000 crore to Rs 2,48,000 crore now, with its employees owning 12 per cent of the company. That makes it impossible for anyone to make a hostile raid on it. Naik's dream to make L&T create its own destiny has finally come true.

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Ya'll Nibbiars remember in the late 1980's Ambani was a corporate raider with the Pariawar's money and was almost succeeded in the Gaining control's over the L & T if not have been stopped by then V.P Singh with the purchase of the share by the LIC and GIC. Would have divided the L & T and sold off's. And Ambani almost become a brankcrupt if not for the Pariwar money.
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Ya'll Nibbiars

And in The 1987, a move by Manu Chhabria to pick up a one per cent stake in Larsen & Toubro (L&T) triggered multiple controversies that ended only 16 years later in 2003, after many riveting political and boardroom dramas. By then, two of the corporate protagonists were dead and employees of the giant engineering conglomerate had taken charge of its destiny.

The Dubai-based Chhabria had burst on the Indian business scene only two years before with a series of high-profile buys like Shaw Wallace, Dunlop, Hindustan Dorr-Oliver, to name a few. His entry, however, was less than welcome for India's professional managers not least because of his brash management style. So, when Chhabria turned his attentions to the blue-chip L&T, a company that had been established in 1938 by two Danish engineers but lacked identifiable promoters and an attractive target for takeover tycoons, the company's management duly reacted.

The Then N M Desai asked Reliance Industries (RIL) Chairman, Dhirubhai Ambani to invest in the company's shares as a white knight. Now, Ambani, then well on his way to becoming one of India's most powerful businessmen, rarely let any opportunity pass and he immediately bought 12.4 per cent from the open market. Backed by the Congress Party, Ambani continued to corner more shares from the open market and by 1989 increased his stake to 18.5 per cent by spending close to Rs 190 crore. Remember, all this took place long before the takeover code and market regulator Securities and Exchange Board of India came into play. And as The chairman of L&T, one of Ambani's first decisions was to ask the company to grant RIL supplier's credit of Rs 570 crore. The cash-rich construction company was also asked to buy RIL shares worth Rs 76 crore from the market from entities close to Reliance. Another controversial decision by Ambani was to make L&T take on more debt. Ambani was no white knight in the conventionally understood sense of the term. Armed with his sizeable stake, he immediately sought, and was granted, board seats for himself and for his sons Mukesh and Anil. It was Desai, the man who had invited Ambani on board, who paid the price for his defensive strategy. He was shunted out as chairman in favour of Dhirubhai. The L&T soon realised that the advent of the Ambanis may have warded off the threat from Chhabria but it was to be no picnic under the Ambani dispensation. L&T was important for Reliance because the company was constructing RIL's petrochemicals complex. But Ambani was also interested in L&T's substantial cash flows. But the party soon ended for the Ambanis.

In 1989, in a humiliating defeat, the Congress, led by the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, lost power to V P Singh. Soon it became clear that the new Prime Minister Singh was not a friend of the Ambanis or any big business, for that matter; Singh's tenure saw the revival of the raid raj. The government immediately asked state-owned Life Insurance Corporation, the dominant shareholder, to make sure that the Ambanis were out of L&T. Ambani was forced to resign from the board and former State Bank of India chairman D N Ghosh was asked to replace him. This was also the time when Ambanis were fighting a bitter battle with Nusli Wadia of Bombay Dyeing for supremacy in the petrochemicals business. The Indian Express, led by its feisty Chairman Ramnath Goenka and editor Arun Shourie, wrote a series of exposes about RIL, its controversial takeover of L&T among them.

Meanwhile, under Ghosh, L&T immediately withdrew the supplier's credit to Reliance and started off-loading RIL shares in the market. Though Dhirubhai's sons Mukesh and Anil were still on L&T's board, they soon realised that with a hostile government at the Centre, it was impossible to control the company, since the majority shareholding was still with government-owned institutions. But The luck favoured Ambani. V P Singh's minority government soon collapsed and was replaced in 1990 by Chandra Shekhar, who had closer links to the Ambanis. Ghosh was asked to resign. The Supreme Court also ruled in Ambani's favour. But the economy was also in ruins as a result of a drain on the country's forex reserves. With the general elections of 1991 bringing the Congress back to power in a minority government under PV Narasimha Rao , the Ambanis tried to make a comeback.

In June 1991, the Ambanis had enough shares and proxies to vote Dhirubhai Ambanai back as chairman and Mukesh as the managing director. But following pressure from the Opposition, Prime Minister Rao decided to stay away from the battle. In fact, following orders from the then finance minister Manmohan Singh LIC sought an adjournment of the Extraordinary General Meeting in August 1991 which was to vote on bringing Ambanis back to L&T. Shareholders close to Ambanis, however, refused to vacate the hall. By then, the Ambanis also realised that it would not be possible for the Congress-led minority to openly support them. Hence, by September they decided to stay away from L&T and dropped resolutions to be installed as chairman and managing director. After that, the Ambanis stayed on as passive investors in L&T for more than a decade. The calm seemed to have returned on L&T with professionals managing the company. But the Ambanis had one more surprise in store for the company. In November 2001, the Ambanis abruptly sold their remaining 10.05 per cent stake in L&T to Kumar Mangalam Birla's Grasim. Grasim was directly competing with L&T in the cement business, which is why it wanted to take over the company.

But Birla completely misunderstood one person: A M Naik, the doughty CEO & MD of the company appointed only three year before. Born and educated in a Gujarat village, Naik was not to be cowed down by the corporate raiders. He soon rallied L&T employees behind him and exhorted them to take destiny in their own hands. Instead of remaining servants to others, Naik asked his employees to become owners of the company. "We should perform so well that it should become impossible for anyone to buy shares in our company because good results will make the stock expensive," Naik told them.

Under Naik, L&T finally found its true leader from within. Naik fought Birla's entry into the company tooth and nail and made representations to everyone from the prime minister to LIC to let L&T retain its professional management culture. After months of negotiations, Birla exited L&T by selling its stake to an employees' trust run by L&Ts employees in June 2003. In return, Birlas received L&T's cement division and named it UltraTech. It was a win-win deal for both. The fate of L&T was finally in the hands of its own employees. From then on, there has been no turning back for L&T and Naik. Since June 2003, the market value of L&T has gone up 25 times, from Rs 6,000 crore to Rs 2,48,000 crore now, with its employees owning 12 per cent of the company. That makes it impossible for anyone to make a hostile raid on it. Naik's dream to make L&T create its own destiny has finally come true.

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I think @Haldilal is either relative of Sucheta Dalal or one of the sons from Tata, Ambani, Godrej or other Big business family!! :rofl:
 

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Inspite of so much of diversity in food, we are nowhere. Big boost needed in thjis sector.
That too when india has much bigger and fertile land area in comparison to Japan , UK , France , Netherland , Germany etc the Gangetic palnes in India are the most fertile region in the world
 

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@HariPrasad-1 there is always one thing bothering me about agriculture is that do we have enough space to feed our own population with a decent diet and export the Surplus.
Gangetic plane of India is the most fertile region in the world and India has a big land area too India should have focused on meat exports as well it’s more profitable
 

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@HariPrasad-1 there is always one thing bothering me about agriculture is that do we have enough space to feed our own population with a decent diet and export the Surplus.
Storage and Supply chain! Both are in poor state in India.
We produce more than enough Wheat and other grains and crops but end up wasting huge portion of it with processing.
As mentioned above, we need huge processing Industries which can make meaningful products of these grains and crops.
Also a robust and transparent supply chain which can distribute the grains properly to each citizen.
 

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Storage and Supply chain! Both are in poor in India.
We produce more than enough Wheat and other grains and crops but end up wasting huge portion of it with processing.
As mentioned above, we need huge processing Industries which can make meaningful products of these grains and crops.
Also a robust and transparent supply chain which can distribute the grains properly to each citizen.
Ya'll Nibbiars Agriculture Logistic Start up's. :hehe:
 

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