Indian Counter Terror Operations Pictures & Discussions

[pmaitra]

Check this Indian Army motto about death and martyrdom.

This is a quote from Geeta. Indian army has embraced it with no issues. Why Mr Thapar has a problem digesting it is anyone's guess.

What is to guess here? Karan Thapar made it very clear. Soldiers don't go to war to die. Which military general would say this? They go to war to kill the enemy. Try to differentiate between motivational speech and practical side of warfare.

The Gita says a lot of things. Yet, we care about the mortal remains, don't we?

nainam chindanti sastrani
nainam dahati pavakah
na cainam kledayanty apo
na sosayati marutah

So, as much as you try to add a religious flavour to this, the Indian Military is not a religious military.

 

[prasadr14]

What is to guess here? Karan Thapar made it very clear. Soldiers don't go to war to die. Which military general would say this? They go to war to kill the enemy. Try to differentiate between motivational speech and practical side of warfare.

That is something someone who has never been inside of a barracks would say.
Not disagreeing with it from his POV but the reality of far from the truth.

I have been fortunate to have lived 5 years of my life inside various military establishments and have very close friends running operations in Kashmir.
Reality is that they know they can die at any time. They don't want to but they are not hiding from that reality. There is no other profession where you go to work and expect to die, except a soldier.

At best I can hope from my work during the week is a system going down - which would constitute a absolutely horrible day for me.
We don't deal with absolutes in our daily life. Soldiers do.

That is the reason why I don't agree with Karan Thapar. I won't blame him either because I doubt he is exposed to the reality of soldiering. It is not as romantic as we need in books or see in movie. It's gritty, shitty and for most part absolutely depressing.

 

[mayfair]

I won't blame him either because I doubt he is exposed to the reality of soldiering.

Oh no no no! He's probably familiar with the reality of soldiering. His father is none other than Gen. Prem Nath Thapar, the COAS during the 1962 Indo-China war!! If he spent anytime interacting with common soldiers during the time Gen. Thapar was in the army.

Gen. Thapar was the brother-in-law of Nayantara Sehgal, the daughter of VijayaLakshmi Pandit and therefore, Nehru's niece.

Do read up on Gen. Thapar, how he came to be appointed as COAS after Gen. Thimaiyya resigned, his "performance" or lack thereof in the Indo-China war among other things and a lot of things will start to make sense.

 

[Butter Chicken]

Zakir Musa slams Indian Muslims for not joining jihad, calls them ‘world’s most shameless'

NEW DELHI: Former Hizbul Mujahideen commander Zakir Musa, in his first message as an al-Qaeda operative, released an audio recording on Monday slamming Indian Muslims for not joining Islamic jihad for 'Ghazwa-e-Hind' (the final and last battle for the conquest of India).

Two senior Jammu & Kashmir police officers confirmed it was Musa's voice. Invoking the recent "atrocities" against Muslims in India, Musa reiterated that the war was not just limited to Kashmir. "It's a war between Islam and the infidel," he declared in his first direct address to Indian Muslims in an audio clip shared via Telegram and WhatsApp groups. Against a black al-Qaeda banner, with a world map added along with and two Kalashnikovs rifles emblazoned on two sides, Musa spoke in Kashmiri-accented Urdu.

Recalling multiple instances of lynching of Muslims by cow-vigilantes, Musa shamed Indian Muslims for not standing up for the victims.

In his rant against Indian Muslims, Musa said, "They are the most shameless Muslims in the world. They should be ashamed of calling themselves Muslims. Our sisters are getting abused and dishonoured and Indian Muslims keep screaming that 'Islam is peace'."

"They (Indian Muslims) are the most 'beghairat qaum' (shameless community) who cannot speak up against oppression and injustice. Is this what our Prophet and his 'salafs' (followers) have taught us? They gave their blood during the wars and martyrdom for the honour of our sisters," Musa said.

Referring to the historic Islamic 'Jung-e-Badr', he said, "They were 313 and ruled the world. We are crores now but only as slaves."

Warning Indian Muslims, Musa said, "You still have a chance to stand up and join us. Come forward or it will be too late for you." Show cow vigilantes "the muscle of Islam and Muslim community", he said.

The audio clip was interspersed with various Islamic quotes both in English and Urdu and pictures of al Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden killed by US Navy Seals in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in 2011.

"The fact that the whole world is against one religion shows just how powerful that religion is #Islam (sic)," a background quote read.

The clip carried a background display of al Qaeda's noted motivator and recruiter Imam Anwar al Awlaki (killed in Yemen in 2011) picture and quote, "The end result is that Islam will win."

In an indirect reference to the Hurriyat that has been insisting on resolution of the Kashmir issue under the UN resolutions, Musa said, quoting bin Laden, "If they want to solve our tragedies of today in the United Nations, then they are merely hypocrites who are seeking to deceive Allah and his messenger and the believers. Are not all our tragedies only because of the UN?"

The producer of the audio clip seemed to be some N N Ach whose initials were inscribed at the bottom, implying that Musa and his group are tech-savvy and have resources to create such high-end content.

"We will take revenge of each murder and every atrocity committed against a Muslim and establish Sharia not just in India but across the world," he warned.
He also refuted the claims of some unidentified masked terrorists that they belong to Zakir Musa's group and they helped police to kill Hizbul commander Sabzar Bhat.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/zakir-musa-slams-indian-muslims-for-not-joining-jihad-calls-them-worlds-most-shameless/articleshow/59010014.cms

 

[mendosa]

What is to guess here? Karan Thapar made it very clear. Soldiers don't go to war to die. Which military general would say this? They go to war to kill the enemy. Try to differentiate between motivational speech and practical side of warfare.

The Gita says a lot of things. Yet, we care about the mortal remains, don't we?

nainam chindanti sastrani
nainam dahati pavakah
na cainam kledayanty apo
na sosayati marutah

So, as much as you try to add a religious flavour to this, the Indian Military is not a religious military.

Every civilization tries to find ways to accord respect to those among them who take disproportionate and voluntary mortal risk on behalf of the the nation and a great part of this respect comes from finding a way to distinguish soldier deaths from other kinds of death. The soldier voluntarily gave his life for the nation is not the same as a civilian who dies in a car accident. It is important to make that distinction. That is why soldiers are called martyrs. Calling them martyrs doesn't imply that they are being encouraged to become a martyr, but if death comes in the normal line of duty, it is a sign of gratitude on behalf of the civilians to accord him the highest honor instead of referring to his death as a mere statistic.

Indian army is a secular army therefore it has no problem writing that Geeta quote on their barracks. Being secular does not mean shunning Hinduism. Even a Muslim soldier can derive meaning from that quote as is the case with Sanskrit quotes, they are universally applicable.

There is a concerted effort going on to discredit the Indian Army in every sphere, right from questioning the capabilities, to questioning the morality of the Army. As an extension of that doctrine, they have activated their media assets like Scroll, TheWire, IndiaToday, NDTV where the US deep state is a prominent share holder, to sow doubts and confusion in the minds of Indians. Whether they like to be called martyrs or not is a call for the Army to take. Thapar has no business cooking up some semantic khichdi in the middle of an ongoing low intensity conflict which has turned high intensity recently.

 

[Mikesingh]

This bugger's time is up. He's started opening his gob too much.

 

[Project Dharma]

Well, agree or disagree with what he said (it could be a good debate in other times) but some aspects seem written to generate outrage and become a victim so that he can get some limelight and build brand recognition. Classic tactic of the left. Firstly, the timing of the article is crass (in the midst of so many casualties of the forces) and inspires disgust. Secondly, the end (I don't know what to call them but definitely not martyrs), wow - you had the journalist acumen to make the argument that they should not be called martyrs but you couldn't suggest any alternative?

 

[mendosa]

Well, agree or disagree with what he said (it could be a good debate in other times) but some aspects seem written to generate outrage and become a victim so that he can get some limelight and build brand recognition. Classic tactic of the left. Firstly, the timing of the article is crass (in the midst of so many casualties of the forces) and inspires disgust. Secondly, the end (I don't know what to call them but definitely not martyrs), wow - you had the journalist acumen to make the argument that they should not be called martyrs but you couldn't suggest any alternative?

Then they get offended if we call them prestitutes.

If Thapar can use his freedom of speech to refer to Indian soldiers with whatever semantic terminology he fancies, based on his inalienable right to express, even at the cost of other people's sentiments then the people have as much right to refer to Thapar as the prestitute that he is.. The prestitutes themselves say, 'we don't care if sentiments are being hurt, as my freedom of speech cannot be vetoed by whether other people like it or not'.

Everyone has freedom of speech; The lefties think only they have the right to use theirs to cause offence and when other people start giving it back to them, they claim victimhood under the guise that it is 'inappropriate'. Don't tell me inappropriate, tell me which rule has been violated otherwise be happy to be labeled a prestitute.

We have as much right to keep speaking about Barkha Dutts two Muslim ex-husbands and Digvijay Singh's affair with the reporter and speculate about Shashi Tharoor's wife. It's about time everyone starts using their freedom of speech. I suggest that for 6 months we should use our freedom of speech to talk about nothing else but Barkha's two ex husbands. Then next six months about how Thapar's mom peddled the Aryan Invasion Theory for three decades only to backtrack it when it was disproved. These families were a deep asset of the west, planted and nurtured over the years to create confusion in Indian minds and to prevent us from taking any resolute actions.

If tomorrow a soldier gets killed, they say that the government is not doing enough. If the government spends on defense, they say that the government is wasting money on weapons when poor, hungry people are dying. If we put land mines, then they say that land mines lead to civilian casualties, if soldiers die then they ask why so many soldiers are dying, if there are no soldier casualties then they ask why do we need such a large standing army if there are no active wars being fought. It is an elaborate network of smoke and mirrors where the apex commies plant the stories and then their lackeys fan the flames and confuse the common masses.

At a time when our troops are exchanging artillery fire, this prestitute is asking if the dead soldier deserves to be called a martyr or not. Still there are people saying "our commie brother has raised an important issue, what's wrong about it, it's worth a debate. Now would be the best time to talk about it, while our soldiers are being beheaded".

 

[pmaitra]

Every civilization tries to find ways to accord respect to those among them who take disproportionate and voluntary mortal risk on behalf of the the nation and a great part of this respect comes from finding a way to distinguish soldier deaths from other kinds of death. The soldier voluntarily gave his life for the nation is not the same as a civilian who dies in a car accident. It is important to make that distinction. That is why soldiers are called martyrs. Calling them martyrs doesn't imply that they are being encouraged to become a martyr, but if death comes in the normal line of duty, it is a sign of gratitude on behalf of the civilians to accord him the highest honor instead of referring to his death as a mere statistic.

Indian army is a secular army therefore it has no problem writing that Geeta quote on their barracks. Being secular does not mean shunning Hinduism. Even a Muslim soldier can derive meaning from that quote as is the case with Sanskrit quotes, they are universally applicable.

There is a concerted effort going on to discredit the Indian Army in every sphere, right from questioning the capabilities, to questioning the morality of the Army. As an extension of that doctrine, they have activated their media assets like Scroll, TheWire, IndiaToday, NDTV where the US deep state is a prominent share holder, to sow doubts and confusion in the minds of Indians. Whether they like to be called martyrs or not is a call for the Army to take. Thapar has no business cooking up some semantic khichdi in the middle of an ongoing low intensity conflict which has turned high intensity recently.

Call them martyr. Call them whatever you want. This is a free country.

• Karan Thapar is entitled to his opinion.
• You are entitled to your opinion.
• I am entitled to my opinion.

• Karan Thapar says soldiers do not go to war to die. A martys chooses to die.
• I agree with him.
• You disagree with him.

I have nothing more to add. I don't want to go to a theological debate. Shall we move on with the thread please?

Then they get offended if we call them prestitutes.

If Thapar can use his freedom of speech to refer to Indian soldiers with whatever semantic terminology he fancies, based on his inalienable right to express, even at the cost of other people's sentiments then the people have as much right to refer to Thapar as the prestitute that he is.. The prestitutes themselves say, 'we don't care if sentiments are being hurt, as my freedom of speech cannot be vetoed by whether other people like it or not'.

Everyone has freedom of speech; The lefties think only they have the right to use theirs to cause offence and when other people start giving it back to them, they claim victimhood under the guise that it is 'inappropriate'. Don't tell me inappropriate, tell me which rule has been violated otherwise be happy to be labeled a prestitute.

We have as much right to keep speaking about Barkha Dutts two Muslim ex-husbands and Digvijay Singh's affair with the reporter and speculate about Shashi Tharoor's wife. It's about time everyone starts using their freedom of speech. I suggest that for 6 months we should use our freedom of speech to talk about nothing else but Barkha's two ex husbands. Then next six months about how Thapar's mom peddled the Aryan Invasion Theory for three decades only to backtrack it when it was disproved. These families were a deep asset of the west, planted and nurtured over the years to create confusion in Indian minds and to prevent us from taking any resolute actions.

If tomorrow a soldier gets killed, they say that the government is not doing enough. If the government spends on defense, they say that the government is wasting money on weapons when poor, hungry people are dying. If we put land mines, then they say that land mines lead to civilian casualties, if soldiers die then they ask why so many soldiers are dying, if there are no soldier casualties then they ask why do we need such a large standing army if there are no active wars being fought. It is an elaborate network of smoke and mirrors where the apex commies plant the stories and then their lackeys fan the flames and confuse the common masses.

At a time when our troops are exchanging artillery fire, this prestitute is asking if the dead soldier deserves to be called a martyr or not. Still there are people saying "our commie brother has raised an important issue, what's wrong about it, it's worth a debate. Now would be the best time to talk about it, while our soldiers are being beheaded".

I only read the first line. This is a classic case of appeal to emotion.

 

[pmaitra]

That is something someone who has never been inside of a barracks would say.
Not disagreeing with it from his POV but the reality of far from the truth.

I have been fortunate to have lived 5 years of my life inside various military establishments and have very close friends running operations in Kashmir.
Reality is that they know they can die at any time. They don't want to but they are not hiding from that reality. There is no other profession where you go to work and expect to die, except a soldier.

At best I can hope from my work during the week is a system going down - which would constitute a absolutely horrible day for me.
We don't deal with absolutes in our daily life. Soldiers do.

That is the reason why I don't agree with Karan Thapar. I won't blame him either because I doubt he is exposed to the reality of soldiering. It is not as romantic as we need in books or see in movie. It's gritty, shitty and for most part absolutely depressing.

Pretty much the same thing as you say. I don't know about Karan Thapar, but I have had many veteran friends when I was in school. Some were in my intramural soccer team. My current vendor manager is a former infantry office.

Nobody has ever told me that they joined the services to die. This is not the same thing as knowing that there is a risk of death.

Back in my high school, I had a senior, who was a Lieutenant. He came back to the school, after the Kargil War, and gave a speech. I don't remember him saying anything to that effect either.

I couldn't agree more with Karan Thapar on this, and I think he knows what he is talking about.

 

[Modern Patriot]

Army needs to adapt and raise Stray and gaurd dogs in camps
How a stray dog helped CRPF foil Fidayeen attack
An adopted stray dog in the CRPF’s Sumbal camp and two alert constables thwarted a major suicide strike by four foreign terrorists early on Monday in Kashmir’s Bandipora district.
Constable K. Dinesh Raja, 25, who was manning a picket at the gates of the 45 Battalion camp of CRPF in Sumbal, which houses hundreds of personnel, said a stray dog in the camp started barking at around 3 a.m. when it saw some suspicious movement in the bushes along the road. The four terrorists were killed later. Hour-long encounter “We heard the dog bark and suddenly a burst of fire came from across the road. It seems the terrorists panicked. Two persons were hiding in the bushes and I fired at them. My colleague Prafulla Kumar, who was manning the watchtower also fired from above. Two terrorists were injured in the first round of fire but since they had come to be killed, they charged on,” said Mr. Raja, who has been posted at the camp since December last year.
CRPF commandant Iqbal Ahmad said the encounter lasted for more than an hour. The forces also had to face a power outage during the incident. “There were two more terrorists who had taken position nearby. They provided covering fire to the other two to help them storm the camp. Our Quick Reaction Team was mobilised and in the middle of the encounter, there was an electricity outage. We fired illuminating smokes so as not to lose track of the terrorists as they would have escaped taking advantage of the dark,” said Mr. Ahmad. Mr. Kumar (25) of Munger in Bihar, who has been posted at the camp for four-and-a-half years, said since he was at a height, he could see the terrorists were barely 40-50 metres away from the camp. “The injured terrorists continued to charge towards the camp, I kept firing till they were killed,” he said

 

[pankaj nema]

Every civilization tries to find ways to accord respect to those among them who take disproportionate and voluntary mortal risk on behalf of the the nation and a great part of this respect comes from finding a way to distinguish soldier deaths from other kinds of death. The soldier voluntarily gave his life for the nation is not the same as a civilian who dies in a car accident. It is important to make that distinction. That is why soldiers are called martyrs. Calling them martyrs doesn't imply that they are being encouraged to become a martyr, but if death comes in the normal line of duty, it is a sign of gratitude on behalf of the civilians to accord him the highest honor instead of referring to his death as a mere statistic.

Indian army is a secular army therefore it has no problem writing that Geeta quote on their barracks. Being secular does not mean shunning Hinduism. Even a Muslim soldier can derive meaning from that quote as is the case with Sanskrit quotes, they are universally applicable.

There is a concerted effort going on to discredit the Indian Army in every sphere, right from questioning the capabilities, to questioning the morality of the Army. As an extension of that doctrine, they have activated their media assets like Scroll, TheWire, IndiaToday, NDTV where the US deep state is a prominent share holder, to sow doubts and confusion in the minds of Indians. Whether they like to be called martyrs or not is a call for the Army to take. Thapar has no business cooking up some semantic khichdi in the middle of an ongoing low intensity conflict which has turned high intensity recently.

Right Now the media is focussed on One Partha Chaterjee who called Gen Rawat as a New General Dyer

By the way ; Thapar has just lost his job at India Today TV Network

Now he is writing articles for Hindustan Times

And as he is desperate for Attention and maybe a Plum
position with any US News paper ( like What Barkha Dutt did )

You can expect more such Articles and Theories form Him

 

[Bornubus]

Sadly during Jallianwala massacre only the Dyre was British rest were troops from Indian subcontinent notably Gorkha troops proud part of Indian Army.


Whereas Garhwal Rifles refused to open fire on Pashtun protesters in Peshawar present day Pakistan. That soldier was Chandra Singh Garhwali, he was jailed for 14 years in Abbotabad.

 

[pmaitra]

Sadly during Jallianwala massacre only the Dyre was British rest were troops from Indian subcontinent notably Gorkha troops proud part of Indian Army.

And Baloch troops.
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[mayfair]

Few concerns about the CRPF camp attack

1. Can't the CRPF folk keep their mouths shut? Even if it were the dogs that alerted them, should they have spoken this aloud? CRPF senior officials should clamp down on their officers and jawaan speaking to media.

2. Why are there still bushes around and near a CRPF camp that curtail visibility? Shouldn't they be regularly cleared?

3. Power outage during the attack? Very convenient for the attackers no? There should be a detailed investigation.

 

[pmaitra]

Whereas Garhwal Rifles refused to open fire on Pashtun protesters in Peshawar present day Pakistan. That soldier was Chandra Singh Garhwali, he was jailed for 14 years in Abbotabad.

Here is an excerpt. I learnt something new today:

On 20th April, 1930 a civil disobedience movement commenced in the North-West frontier province under the leadership of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan and a programme of demonstration and Satyagrah was planned for 23rd April 1930 in Peshawar. The British Government in its eagerness to suppress this movement of the Pathans at any cost, decided to deploy the aarmy. Chandra Singh Garhwali and his men of the Garhwal Rifles quietly resolved to resist any order of their British Commander to fire upon unarmed people.

On 23 April 1930 thousands of Pathans had gathered in front of the Kissakhani Bazar Police Chowki in Peshawar and the national flag was flying in their midst. The men of the Garhwal Rifles stood before the Pathans and hundreds of people were looking on from their houses and roof tops. The British Captain warned the non-violent demonstrators to disperse but it had no effect on them. When, in a rush of anger he shouted, 'Garhwali three rounds fire', an equally firm voice was heard saying' Garhwali cease fire', and the Garhwali soldiers lowered their rifles to the ground. Chandra Singh Garhwali's voice rang out once again to declare that they would not fire upon unarmed people even if the Captain were to shoot them down. It was an amazing display of courage. An extraordinary moment in the history of our freedom struggle.

Source: http://uttarakhandjourney.in/veer-chandra-singh-garhwali

 

[Bornubus]

And Baloch troops.
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I mentioned "notably" Gorkhas because they are more closer to Indian (North/ north east India ) civilization for hundreds of years but they still followed to the order of a foreigner to kill Indians.



I know about Baloch but I am least concerned with them.

 

[pmaitra]

I mentioned "notably" Gorkhas because they are more closer to Indian (North/ north east India ) civilization for hundreds of years but they still followed to the order of a foreigner to kill Indians.



I know about Baloch but I am least concerned with them.

Ok, I got your point.

If you look at it from a different point, the Gorkhas were mainly from Nepal. It was called the Queen's Own Gorkha Rifles (IIRC) (sometimes it was the king's name, sometimes the queen's), but Nepal was never within the realm of the Queen. Balochistan was.

Said that, I understand what you are saying.

 

[Bornubus]

Here is an excerpt. I learnt something new today:

Source: http://uttarakhandjourney.in/veer-chandra-singh-garhwali

My friend is from his native village.


That entire belt was and still recruited in Armed forces including Doval and Army chief Rawat.

 

[pmaitra]

My friend is from his native village.


That entire belt was and still recruited in Armed forces including Doval and Army chief Rawat.

My co-worker in my previous project is from Uttarkhand. His dad retired from the army. He was a tank trainer.