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Army is quietly building up it's strength. Big dhamaka will happen in 2018 probably 6-8 months before general elections. Unfortunately, until then, it's a game of survival
It should rather happen after elections- If there is a strong mandate- I would want to wait till we have crucial weapons like Rafale, Nirbhay, Tejas, Diesel Electric Submarines- That will take China out of equation-
 

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soldiers stationed at sensitive areas like Kashmir, north east etc should stat wearing ski masks like Russians do in Chechnya.
 

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34 Illegal Saudi-Pak Television Channels In Kashmir Blackout

Published May 10, 2017 SOURCE: NDTV Sheikh Abdul Kabeer starts his day with Quranic teachings on cable TV. But he can no longer watch his favourite religious shows. The curtains have been drawn on 34 allegedly unauthorised cable channels in Kashmir, including those beamed from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. “We watch the Islamic channels because they have Quranic content mostly. We spend time watching such channels because we are illiterate people learning Quranic teachings. We can’t understand what benefit government gets by blocking the channels,” said Mr Kabeer in Srinagar. Apart from religious and news channels, a Pakistani sports channel, two culinary channels and a music channel have been blacked out as well. The Center had asked the state government to take immediate steps to stop the unauthorised broadcast. A fortnight ago, the government had banned 22 social networking sites in Kashmir. “Channels which are airing in an unauthorized manner have to close down,” said Javed Gilani, the police chief of Kashmir. “For the last 20 to 25 years, cable operators are running small businesses. All operators will suffer when religious channels are closed,” said Gulzar Bhat, a cable operator. Chief Minister Mehbooba Mufti has recently asked national news channels not to portray all Kashmiri youth as stone throwing protesters. “I request the national electronic media not to show discussions on television that develop a hatred against the people of Jammu and Kashmir throughout the country,” she said.

idrw.org . Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website http://idrw.org/34-illegal-saudi-pak-television-channels-in-kashmir-blackout/#more-134224 .
but recently i read in some news paper that they will keep broadcasting the channels due to the local pressure. this is the gap. GOI is suppose to control the means of any digital or radio communication on the very first day. but unfortunately our think tanks forgot about this and they are now cracking on these once they will get to know from news....quite funny that what type of people are they who are handling such a serious issues.
 

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It should rather happen after elections- If there is a strong mandate- I would want to wait till we have crucial weapons like Rafale, Nirbhay, Tejas, Diesel Electric Submarines- That will take China out of equation-
The first Rafales will start arriving in India in 2019 and the whole batch will be completely delivered only by 2023.

The P75 submarine project will only be completed in 2025

The new AC will sail only in 2020

Currently we have the industrial capacity to produce 4 Tejas a year. It will take 2021 to produce one squadron.

The KA26 will only start rolling off in 2021

T50 stealth plane? no one knows when it will come.

S400, no one knows what's the status. The last news I heard was that the US has threatened to sanction India and Russia if that sale happens.

By the time all these are added to our arsenal, the strategic environment will not remain the same, even our enemies are buying weapons upgrades. If you hold on to a capability for too long, the enemy gets time to purchase counter measures.

There will never be a perfect time, tactically speaking. The perfect time is whenever you want it to be.
 

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You better pay a visit to someone who served in afsa imposed areas then you would know. It's a humble request you to watch out your words. Thanks
Did you visited afsa areas?i don't need to because I get most of information from a relative serving in army and he holds a rank too.
And i will never take requests.
 

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There will never be a perfect time, tactically speaking. The perfect time is whenever you want it to be.
I agree with that- there is never a perfect time- But Nirbhay, Rafale, Tejas and Scorpene are key weapons- I am not worried about S-400 that is more of a deterrent weapon-

We would leave a lot of gaps in our strike capability without these- However the people in intelligence and Military are best to decide when the right time has come- a seriously degraded Pakistan Army would not have much to exploit these gaps-

And a tense situation in North Korea and winter would keep China away-
 

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Can you share the source please? I would like to know more.
Yes, check this :

https://www.pressreader.com/india/economic-times/20170302/281513635936366

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...n-jeopardy-heres-why/articleshow/57419668.cms

https://sputniknews.com/business/201703241051920987-india-us-russia-s-400/

Although the last link claims that "India says that US sanctions wont affect S400", it still doesn't invalidate the fact that sanctions have been imposed and India will have to outmaneuver the US to overcome them. The last time such a thing happened was when the US was pressuring India not to buy oil from Iran during the nuclear talks. India refused so the US imposed sanctions on Indian banks to stop them from processing the electronic payments. India overcame this by paying for Iranian oil with gold bricks. Although a triumph, it's not an ideal condition to give away our gold reserves every time the US throws a tantrum.

So, even if US sanctions 'wont affect S400' in a limited sense, they will affect India in a broader context because a cost is being imposed on us for going ahead with the acquisition.

The Americans are such a vile race of people. If only the native Americans had the good sense to kill all of them when they first encountered these white monkeys, the world wouldn't even have this problem. The American mindset is nothing short of a disease.
 
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Yes, check this :

https://www.pressreader.com/india/economic-times/20170302/281513635936366

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...n-jeopardy-heres-why/articleshow/57419668.cms

https://sputniknews.com/business/201703241051920987-india-us-russia-s-400/

Although the last link claims that "India says that US sanctions wont affect S400", it still doesn't invalidate the fact that sanctions have been imposed and India will have to outmaneuver the US to overcome them. The last time such a thing happened was when the US was pressuring India not to buy oil from Iran during the nuclear talks. India refused so the US imposed sanctions on Indian banks to stop them from processing the electronic payments. India overcame this by paying for Iranian oil with gold bricks. Although a triumph, it's not an ideal condition to give away our gold reserves every time the US throws a tantrum.

So, even if US sanctions 'wont affect S400' in a limited sense, they will affect India in a broader context because a cost is being imposed on us for going ahead with the acquisition.

The Americans are such a vile race of people. If only the native Americans had the good sense to kill all of them when they first encountered these white monkeys, the world wouldn't even have this problem. The American mindset is nothing short of a disease.
So sanctions on russians by Americans will cost dear to India, which is always there and will be there in future. But its not s400 specific isnt it? Or nothing to do with India (its due to euro vs usa vs russia problems ). I dont think its that big issue. If cold war aggravated (russia vs usa)we can always look for brics for foreign currency solutions.

Point to be noted : Russia is UN veto member , its not easy to other western bullies devaste Russians as if they are Iranians :)
 

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So sanctions on russians by Americans will cost dear to India, which is always there and will be there in future. But its not s400 specific isnt it? Or nothing to do with India (its due to euro vs usa vs russia problems ). I dont think its that big issue. If cold war aggravated (russia vs usa)we can always look for brics for foreign currency solutions.

Point to be noted : Russia is UN veto member , its not easy to other western bullies devaste Russians as if they are Iranians :)
The US has a blacklist called SDN, if a country, or weapon or a company is on that list, then they are harassed. They just arbitrarily add things to this list as and when they want, without any consideration to any international norms. For example, S400 does not violate any norms since it is neither under nuclear arms control clause nor is it under MTCR since India has become a member of MTCR.

The core point is that US wants India to be vulnerable (to be clear, every other nation wants that too, because that is how they get to sell their weapons). If S400 is bought by India, then the US loses its blackmailing power to play the Pakistan card.

The UN veto doesn't really help. Take the case of French sale of Mistral ships worth 2B$ to Russia itself. The US blocked it during Ukraine conflict. If Russia cannot guarantee that they themselves get weapons delivery in their own time of need, how can we be sure that they will deliver to us?

In this case, both China and US have a consensus that India must be prevented from buying the S400. When two big powers have consensus, it becomes a tough job to break that jinx. Even if the currency is arranged somehow, the US has other ways to blackmail Russia. They can simply tell them to stop the sale of S400 in exchange for US recognizing Crimea as a part of Russia. The US has a lot of carrot and sticks to offer, even to its enemies.

The ONLY military buildup that the US will 'allow' India to indulge in is when that buildup is against specific Chinese capabilities and when it fits the US plan. For 60 years, they stalled our attempt to get into space weapons by killing our scientists, and they prevented us from developing a blue water navy by funding terrorists so that India was forced to spend a major % of defense budget on ground forces and there was no cash left for Navy. Now they are 'allowing' Navy modernization because that fits into their joint Naval drills against China. But they wont allow S400 because that neutralizes the investment they made in turning Pakistan into a nuclear power.

We have our own bargaining cards. Let's see how Modi plays it. One thing is for sure, even if this 'great game' makes us feel uncomfortable, we must look at it from a positive perspective. We have at least climbed our way to the top where we are sitting at the high table and negotiating a global world order with Russia, China and US.

There is a new multipolar world order that is ultimately taking shape :

A Billion Christians (US + Latin America + Europe + Russia) Versus a billion Chinese Versus a billion Hindus. Compare this tri-polar world order of 21st century with that of 20th century, when all the 3 powers who were negotiating the the fate of the whole planet were Christians (US vs Germany vs Russia). At least that monopoly has gone. The Muslims are busy killing each other, they have no say in global affairs. All they can do is one suicide blast here, one beheading there, just nuisance value, nothing more. The foremost Muslim nations are all armed by NATO (Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi), so they have no power of their own.

So India must start thinking in terms of a solitary power instead of a 'Russian ally'. If the US offers a suitable bribe to Russia in exchange for cancelling the deal, then Russia will take it. No one is going to take care of our interests, we will need to have alternatives and solutions for everything. This game will keep going.
 
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Sounds like you are campaigning against US/India military cooperation / alliance.

(I have no position on the merits or otherwise of such cooperation)
 

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Sounds like you are campaigning against US/India military cooperation / alliance.

(I have no position on the merits or otherwise of such cooperation)
I'm glad that you ignored (215 X 10) pages of discussion and gave your one line wisdom. If you have no position then don't accuse others of 'campaigning against an alliance'.

India does whatever is in India's interest. We don't think in binary terms of an ally versus a non-ally. We have ad hoc agreements for specific issues. We make agreements on a case by case basis and not alliances on a nation by nation basis. We co-operate with US and Russia against China, We co-operate with Russia and China against the US in BRICS, we co-operate with Russia and Shias against Sunnis in the Syrian theater, but we co-operate with Sunnis and Jews against Shias in Israel and Kashmir (Hezbolla, Hizbul Mujahidden).

You see Mr Magician, none of these alliances are based on a 'alliance' treaty. They are based on specific issues of India's interest. This 'idea of alliance' is just like the 'idea of India' peddled by certain people, which has no basis in Indian self interest. Don't bring in these childish binaries about US-India alliance. There is no alliance. US is the Walmart of weapons, we are the biggest buyer of weapons, so we sometimes go to Walmart and buy what we need. We are paying in full cash, so the US should not expect anything extra from us. It is a transactional relationship. If they think it is an alliance, then they should give the weapons to us for free, stop arming Pakistan and recognize Indian ownership of Kashmir. Are they doing that? did you even feel offended about that? did you every ask tough questions to them about their stance? but you came here to talk tough and accuse Indians of having an agenda against an alliance. Every single war India has fought since independence has been against American weapons (Patton tanks, Sabre jets, from M16 to F16, they have given all their weapons to Pakistan, and now even Harpoon missiles. Did your heart bleed then?).

People just keep throwing muck at Indian foreign policy without benchmarking it against the kind of vile civilizations we are dealing with, none of whom have ever been an ally of India. They have killed our nuclear scientists, they have stalled our cryogenic engine progress, their behavior has always been and continues to be antithetical to India, and now they send their brainwashed pawns to accuse Indians of stalling an 'alliance'. The 5.56mm bullet pulled out from our soldier's body last week was manufactured in the US; The night vision device used by terrorists and BAT teams to infiltrate into the LOC and behead our soldiers was also manufactured in the US.

The biggest hindrance to Indian counter-terrorism efforts has singularly been American aid to the terrorist nation of Pakistan and Vatican's aid to Naxals. Is this what an ally does to another ally?

No alliance. #IndiaFirst
 
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If stone Pelters can be prompted to throw stones for Rs 500 a day, why can't we pay a few of them a larger sum to periodically inform about whereabouts of terrorists and our security agencies eliminate them. These young men can be tasked to provide intelligence by using any of the methods - sam, dam, dand, bhed. They can be lured with money or threatened.
 
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If stone Pelters can be prompted to throw stones for Rs 500 a day, why can we pay a few of them a larger sum to periodically inform about whereabouts of terrorists and our security agencies eliminate them. These young men can be tasked to provide intelligence by using any of the methods - sam, dam, dand, bhed. They can be lured with money or threatened.
I think problem is abdhulla,mufti , hurriat wont let that happen, if that happens(what u said earlier to bribe for intel). Kashmir will be peaceful. That renders no use or sense of purpose to abdhulla,mufti.

People will look towards development ie pan India movement. U see why things are not happening the way we want them to happen.

Answer is abrogate 370, split J&k such that seperatists leadership renders irrelevant in terms of muslim population, dissolve all J&k laws which disallows kasmiri stone pelter prisoner transferred to other parts of Indian jails. Rest all, other state police will take care of these kashmiri young stone pelters.
 

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If stone Pelters can be prompted to throw stones for Rs 500 a day, why can we pay a few of them a larger sum to periodically inform about whereabouts of terrorists and our security agencies eliminate them. These young men can be tasked to provide intelligence by using any of the methods - sam, dam, dand, bhed. They can be lured with money or threatened.
That is already being done on a large scale basis, it's those few who slip our agencies who throw stones. All of these terrorist funerals where gun salutes are being given to the dead body of terrorists are infiltrated by our guys and they are eliminated afterwards. That is how we were able to bring the number of terrorists down from a few thousand to just 180. Now even these are being squished.

Just yesterday, GOI has sanctioned the raising of 5 new CRPF battalions of Kashmiri youths. There was also an Army recruitment drive held recently. There is also 3% reservation given to Kashmiri youth in mainland India. So, we are literally pulling thousands and thousands of youth out of the valley every year. That is how we get to drag away their able bodied men away from the lure of stone throwing. Before Modi goes to election in 2019, he will get 370 removed and we will create an affordable housing scheme in Kashmir and settle Biharis there. If you throw one stone at a Bihari, this is what happens :

 
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