Indian Army SIG Sauer 716 assault rifle.

[Assassin 2.0]

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[Assassin 2.0]

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[Anikastha]

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is this sig or sss rifle?????
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[Assassin 2.0]

is this sig or sss rifle?????
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Oh fakkk Sorry my bad

I think this is SSS defence rifle which is fuckin even better news

 

[Johny_Baba]

Oh fakkk Sorry my bad
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I think this is SSS defence rifle which is fuckin even better news

Bro it's Italian Beretta Victrix Sniper Rifle in .338 Lapua Magnum that we purchased last year.

not SSS Saber.

 

[Snowcat]

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I have seen this photo being shared a lot recently on different topics. The sad thing is the above mentioned sniper lost his life last year in July skirmishes.
Sorry for going offtopic.

 

[Suryavanshi]

sniper lost his life

Wait how?
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Countersniping?

 

[apoorv465]

I have seen this photo being shared a lot recently on different topics. The sad thing is the above mentioned sniper lost his life last year in July skirmishes.
Sorry for going offtopic.

Yes, he is rifleman Arif Pathan 18 Jak Rif, martyred in July 2019 on LOC.

 

[Aashi]

Yes, he is rifleman Arif Pathan 18 Jak Rif, martyred in July 2019 on LOC.

Today is the birthday of that rifle man....

 

[Lancer]

I have seen this photo being shared a lot recently on different topics. The sad thing is the above mentioned sniper lost his life last year in July skirmishes.
Sorry for going offtopic.

Yup, Rifleman Arif Khan Pathan of Baroda, Gujarat.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

DI Rifles are going out even in USA. They replaced DI SR 25 with piston G28 for Sniper. For routine use DI is even more problematic. They are also inducting Piston HK416 as IAR.

Have we imported cheap crap for the sake of importing something under pressure from Dalals?

DI even with good ammo & maintenance has problems with fouling, jamming & are delicate relative to pistons.

There is no indication that we are importing complimentary magazines, bipods, sights, better ammo or TOT to make them, for effective use as DMR.

So what gives?

So why?

 

[vampyrbladez]

DI Rifles are going out even in USA. They replaced DI SR 25 with piston G28 for Sniper. For routine use DI is even more problematic. They are also inducting Piston HK416 as IAR.

Have we imported cheap crap for the sake of importing something under pressure from Dalals?

DI even with good ammo & maintenance has problems with fouling, jamming & are delicate relative to pistons.

There is no indication that we are importing complimentary magazines, bipods, sights, better ammo or TOT to make them, for effective use as DMR.

So what gives?

So why?

DI has more accuracy, less chance of bolt carrier misalignment, muzzle climb and is cheaper.

7.62x51 rifles as SSP is good for DMR. However under full auto usage, a powerful round like the .308 doesn't do well with the SSP due to recoil. Maybe that's why the famous AR 10 rifle as designed, had DI not SSP of AR 18.

 

[Gessler]

DI Rifles are going out even in USA. They replaced DI SR 25 with piston G28 for Sniper. For routine use DI is even more problematic. They are also inducting Piston HK416 as IAR.

Have we imported cheap crap for the sake of importing something under pressure from Dalals?

DI even with good ammo & maintenance has problems with fouling, jamming & are delicate relative to pistons.

There is no indication that we are importing complimentary magazines, bipods, sights, better ammo or TOT to make them, for effective use as DMR.

DI isn't that bad if it's from a good manufacturer.

Yes, its not AS reliable as a piston system, but you can't automatically think DI = bad. All the M4A1s that our SFs are using today are DI.

Daniel Defense MK18 which is a USSOCOM favourite is DI.

So what gives?

So why?

Cost.

IA did not specify that we only want piston systems. And we were going to award contract to the cheapest solution which meets the technical spec (the whole concept of L1 bidder).

SIG decided that they can significantly reduce price of offer if they trade in the piston for a DI system. So that's what they did.

 

[Snowcat]

DI has more accuracy, less chance of bolt carrier misalignment, muzzle climb and is cheaper.

7.62x51 rifles as SSP is good for DMR. However under full auto usage, a powerful round like the .308 doesn't do well with the SSP due to recoil. Maybe that's why the famous AR 10 rifle as designed, had DI not SSP of AR 18.

No one really uses AR in full auto mode, atleast not professional soldiers. 2/3 round burst is usually the way they go with. Far more accurate. LMG are mostly used for full auto suppressive fire.

 

[piKacHHu]

DI isn't that bad if it's from a good manufacturer.

Yes, its not AS reliable as a piston system, but you can't automatically think DI = bad. All the M4A1s that our SFs are using today are DI.

Daniel Defense MK18 which is a USSOCOM favourite is DI.



Cost.

IA did not specify that we only want piston systems. And we were going to award contract to the cheapest solution which meets the technical spec (the whole concept of L1 bidder).

SIG decided that they can significantly reduce price of offer if they trade in the piston for a DI system. So that's what they did.

It is mind boggling that such a wide-scale adoption of new assault rifle for front-line troops is based on cost alone, devoid of any doctrinal approach & past experience. It may be brutal shock to those who were singing paeans about reliability of INSAS under so called Indian conditions. Now, the same army has adopted DI system for INSAS replacement which is more prone to dust/fouling related jams as compared to piston based systems. Suddenly "Indian Conditions" has become more cleaner & dirt free, thanks to Swacch Bharat Abhiyan !!

 

[vampyrbladez]

No one really uses AR in full auto mode, atleast not professional soldiers. 2/3 round burst is usually the way they go with. Far more accurate. LMG are mostly used for full auto suppressive fire.

This is a 7.62x51 mm Battle Rifle. Don't get deceived by it's relatively small barrel (16 inch). It can snipe targets at 600 - 800 m with relative ease compared to your 5.56x45 mm rounds which will struggle after 500 m. The sheer KE ensures that even LVL 4 BPJ is useless till 200 - 300 m depending on the round used.

These rifles will need to be automatic capable to compete with AKMs at close range. AKMs have an advantage till 300 m in terms of killing power. You need a stable BR platform for automatic firepower and the Sig 716 TREAD is just that.

 

[Chinmoy]

It is mind boggling that such a wide-scale adoption of new assault rifle for front-line troops is based on cost alone, devoid of any doctrinal approach & past experience. It may be brutal shock to those who were singing paeans about reliability of INSAS under so called Indian conditions. Now, the same army has adopted DI system for INSAS replacement which is more prone to dust/fouling related jams as compared to piston based systems. Suddenly "Indian Conditions" has become more cleaner & dirt free, thanks to Swacch Bharat Abhiyan !!

Yes.......... Now I would love to talk with EME guys.

 

[Chinmoy]

Then why did we purchase AK-203?

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To oil the russian MIC?

What are you planning to provide the CAPF and state police and border guards and other forces after discontinuing INSAS?

 

[Gessler]

It is mind boggling that such a wide-scale adoption of new assault rifle for front-line troops is based on cost alone, devoid of any doctrinal approach & past experience. It may be brutal shock to those who were singing paeans about reliability of INSAS under so called Indian conditions. Now, the same army has adopted DI system for INSAS replacement which is more prone to dust/fouling related jams as compared to piston based systems. Suddenly "Indian Conditions" has become more cleaner & dirt free, thanks to Swacch Bharat Abhiyan !!

Relax.

DI =/= bad

Piston =/= good

If that were true, you'd be implying that the INSAS 1B is a more robust & reliable platform than the M4A1 used by Paras - its not. The reason why INSAS went with long-stroke piston isn't because of some deep doctrinal thought, it was because the INSAS action & gas system are copied from AK.

And we aren't coming out of it because of any doctrinal thought either.

On topic, I'm pretty sure that the DI 716 will prove to be a far more reliable platform than any INSAS, piston or no piston.

 

[vampyrbladez]

CRPF receives 500 Trichy Assault Rifles (TAR) out of an order of 6,167 rifles. Around 10,000 rifles have been delivered to various Central and State Police and Paramilitary units till date.

New rifles appear to have an integrated Picatinny Rail on the upper foregrip.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...y-assault-rifles/amp_articleshow/74595743.cms

TAR rifle was previously given to the BSF in 2018.

SSB appears to have obtained the rifle in 2019-20 as well.