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Robot soldier timeframe projection 2020 - 2030. 10 years difference. 10 Years as margin of error. :pound:

Looks like DRDO officials are planning something to get some retirement benefit.

Hurts to hear things like this..:mad2:
 

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In a separate project, DRDO is planning to design robotic mules that can replace the animals used by Indian soldiers to carry heavy loads in mountainous terrain.
I wonder if the DRDO chaps have walked on the mountains where these mules are used.
 

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In a separate project, DRDO is planning to design robotic mules that can replace the animals used by Indian soldiers to carry heavy loads in mountainous terrain.
They should try llamas if mules aren't doing the job.

 

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Polaris Industris receives first order for Indian Army




US-based vehicle-maker Polaris Industries today said it has received its first order from the Indian Army. "We have already received our first order from the Indian Army," Polaris India Managing Director Pankaj Dubey told reporters.He, however, declined to throw more light on the deal with the Army. Polaris military vehicles would strengthen the security in border areas. "Polaris light Tactical Vehicles would help achieve quick movement in anti-insurgency and anti-terrorist operations," he said.


Polaris Industris receives first order for Indian Army | idrw.org
 

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How Goa became a part of India - India News - IBNLive

After the government asked the armed forces to get ready, India's Southern Command fielded the 17th Infantry Division and the 50th Parachute Brigade. The assault on Daman was assigned to the 1st Maratha Light Infantry while the operations in Diu were assigned to the 20th Rajput and 4th Madras battalions. Air resources for the assault on Goa were concentrated in the bases at Pune and Sambra.

Operation Vijay saw the Indian Navy deploy two warships — INS Rajput, an 'R' Class destroyer, and INS Kirpan, a Blackwood class frigate, off the coast of Goa. The actual naval assault was assigned to four task groups - a surface action Group comprising five ships (Mysore, Trishul, Betwa, Beas and Cauvery), a carrier group of five ships (Delhi, Kuthar, Kirpan, Khukri and Rajput centred around carrier Vikrant), a mine Sweeping Group and a support group.

Salazar, disregarding other officials and military officers, asked the Portuguese authorities in Goa and there would be no surrender and that Portugal should fight till the last man. He asked the Portuguese forces to at least hold out for eight days which he thought was enough time to garner international support against 'Indian invasion'.

Portuguese ground defences consisted of 3,995 men, including infantry troops and 810 Goan soldiers. In addition, there were about 1,040 police officers and 400 border guards divided among the three Portuguese enclaves in India. The strategy employed to resist Indian invasion was centred around the Plano Sentinela which divided Goa into four sectors, with forces assigned to each sector and tasked with slowing the progression of an invading force. These plans were however unviable because of the desperate shortage of ammunition and communication equipment.

One Portuguese Navy ship, Afonso de Albuquerque, was present in Goa at the time of invasion. The vessel was armed with four 120 mm guns capable of two shots per minute and four automatic rapid firing guns. There were five merchant navy ships in Goa and three light patrol boats, each armed with a 20mm Oerlikon gun.

Commenting on the Plano Sentinela, Captain Azaredo told Portuguese newspaper O Expresso in 2001, "It was a totally unrealistic and unachievable plan which was quite incomplete."

On December 18, Indian Air Force Canberras pounded the Dabolim Airfield, rendering the runway invalid but causing no damage to infrastructure and facilities. Another raid by Hawker Hunters neutralised a wireless station at Bambolim.

On December 18, under covering fire from INS Trishul and INS Mysore, Indian troops landed on the island of Anjidiv and engaged the Portuguese defenders. The Portuguese ceased fire and raised a white flag, thus luring the Indian soldiers out of their cover before opening fire again, killing seven and wounding 19. The Portuguese defences were eventually overrun after fierce shelling from the Indian ships offshore. The island was secured by Indian troops by December 19.

On the morning of 18 December, Afonso de Albuquerque was anchored off Mormugao harbour. Three Indian frigates led by the INS Betwa took up position off the harbour at 9 in the morning. At 11 AM, Indian planes raided the harbour and at 12.00 pm, INS Betwa, accompanied by INS Beas, entered the harbour and opened fire on the Portuguese ships with their 4.5-inch guns while transmitting requests to surrender in between shots in morse code. In response, Afonso de Albuquerque lifted anchor, headed out towards the enemy and returned fire with its 120 mm guns.

A few minutes into the exchange of fire, the Afonso took a direct hit in its control tower, injuring its weapons officer. At 12.25 pm, an anti-personnel shrapnel bomb fired from an Indian vessel exploded directly over the ship, killing its radio officer and severely injuring its commander, Captain António da Cunha Aragão, after which First Officer Pinto da Cruz took command of the vessel. The ships propulsion system was also badly damaged in this attack.

At 12.35 pm, Afonso de Albuquerque swerved 180 degrees and was run aground against Bambolim beach.

Eventually at 12.50 pm, after having fired nearly 400 rounds at the Indians, hitting two of the Indian vessels, and having taken severe damage, order was given to abandon the ship. In all, Afonso de Albuquerque lost 5 men and 13 were wounded in the battle.

The 50 Para Brigade moving in from the north and the northeast on December 18 was the first to reach Panjim on December 19. The Aguada fort was run over and Portuguese forces were overrun and many surrendered.

Meanwhile from the east, the 63rd Infantry Brigade marched on Margao. On the way fell Ponda, Candeapur and Darbondara. They then continued till Dabolim Airport and Mormugai harbour.

By the evening, most of Goa had fallen to advancing Indian troops and the Portuguese had gathered around 2,000 soldiers at the entrance to Vasco da Gama to make their last stand.

The instruction from Salazar was to hold out at the harbour till naval reinforcements arrived from Lisbon. But Goa's Portuguese Governor General Manuel António Vassalo e Silva took stock of the numerical superiority of the Indian troops, as well as the food and ammunition supplies available to his forces and took the decision to surrender. He later described his orders to destroy Goa before losing as "um sacrifício inútil" (a useless sacrifice).

In a communication to all Portuguese forces under his command, he stated, "Having considered the defence of the Peninsula of Mormugao"¦ from aerial, naval and ground fire of the enemy and "¦ having considered the difference between the forces and the resources"¦ the situation does not allow myself to proceed with the fight without great sacrifice of the lives of the inhabitants of Vasco da Gama, I have decided with "¦ my patriotism well present, to get in touch with the enemy "¦ I order all my forces to cease-fire."

The official Portuguese surrender was conducted in a formal ceremony held at 2030 pm on December 19 when Governor General Manuel António Vassalo e Silva signed the instrument of surrender bringing to an end 451 years of Portuguese Rule in Goa. In all, 4668 personnel were taken prisoner by the Indians - a figure which included military and civilian personnel, Portuguese, Africans and Indians (Goans). Of these, 3412 prisoners were taken in Goa, 853 in Daman and 403 in Diu.
 

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Army's rifle plan; 10kg burden on soldiers, $250mn on us

Tuesday, Dec 20, 2011

In a controversial move, the Indian Army's infantry directorate has invited bids to replace its outdated INSAS rifles with those with interchangeable barrels. Opting for such a fancy weapon means that our soldiers will have to carry both barrels and also battle with two kinds of ammunition an additional load of at least 10kg per soldier.

Surprisingly, just one European arms manufacturing firm will be able to meet the army's requirement. At present, the army seeks to procure 65, 768 such rifles, but the requirement could go up to 20 lakh rifles. DNA accessed the RFP (request for proposal) floated by the army headquarters a while ago for the acquisition of the rifles that will cost the Indian taxpayer about $250 million in the first phase.

The army's decision to opt for rifles with interchangeable barrels is seen as a regressive move by many in the South Block that houses the ministry of defence. Most rifles come with a single calibre, usually 7.62mm or a 5.56mm. However, most modern armies have moved to the 5.56mm calibre because it is light and allows a soldier to carry more ammunition. It is also believed that a lower calibre bullet ties down more enemy troops compared to the 7.62mm calibre rifles.

"Someone needs to get his head examined to propose such a thing," said a senior general who served with the elite special forces. "If it converted a rifle into a light machine gun, I can still understand, even though it is undesirable. But this is a crazy idea."
Further, of the 32 manufacturers who have been sent a RFP, only one European firm fits the bill perfectly, raising questions about the army's decision.

The RFP stipulates that the rifle must be able to change its calibre from 5.56 x 45mm to 7.62 x 39mm and vice-versa. The barrels, it says, should not be less than 16 inches in length for both the calibres.

The RPF further states that the weight of the weapon with an empty magazine should not exceed 3.6kg for either of the calibres. And in case the "visible aimer" and "holographic/reflex sights" are integrated, the combined weight should not be more than 400gm.

Sources said if the rifles are purchased, it would mean a load of at least 10kg more on every soldier, more maintenance to avoid performance and accuracy slump because of constant barrel and part change, and a lot more money. Subsequent phases will see all central and state police forces switching to the new rifle as a successful bidder will also be asked to transfer the technology to Indian ordinance factories.

The fancy assault rifles are meant to replace the locally designed and less superior 5.56mm INSAS rifles that were developed in 1987 and came into service around 1994-95. They were mainly used for counter-insurgency operations, but have been found to be inadequate and problematic with frequent jamming and a low rate of fire. Its design is also outdated with most modern armies in China, France and Britain having moved on to the "bull-pup" design.

A pre-bid meeting to clarify doubts of the arms manufacturers will be held on December 30. The technical offer will be opened on February 13, 2012.

DNA exclusive: Army's rifle plan; 10kg burden on soldiers, $250mn on us - India - DNA
 

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Galaxy, I like your post but hate the idea in the article.

In a controversial move, the Indian Army's infantry directorate has invited bids to replace its outdated INSAS rifles with those with interchangeable barrels. Opting for such a fancy weapon means that our soldiers will have to carry both barrels and also battle with two kinds of ammunition — an additional load of at least 10kg per soldier.
I can't even begin to understand the thinking behind this. Must be that there are no ex-infantry men in the Infantry Directorate; no logistics guys either. How can this disaster be averted?
 

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multiplicity of weapons will give airforce headache but here it will kill soldiers
 

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This is the name of the buffoon who wrote this worthless article.

1) Barrels are interchangeable, which means the soldier will carry one extra barrel and a kit.

The base platform is chambered in 5.56x45 NATO. Conversions to other calibers and barrel lengths can be performed in 2 to 3 minutes without the need of a trained armorer, and using only a standard hex wrench, and consist of changing to the appropriately chambered barrel and bolt, replacing brass deflector (optional) and insertion of appropriate magazine. 6.8 Remington SPC and 7.62x39 are the current conversion kits available.


Robinson Armament XCR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) Again, the base platform will be 5.56 for regular infantry and 7.62 for COIN units like RR. Hence, a common platform will replace both INSAS and AKs in the army.

3) Regular soldiers will carry only one kind of ammo i.e. 5.56. 7.62 will act as enemy pickup for backup.

I don't know how this increases the weight by 10 kgs?
 

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Something tells me FINSAS` rifle is ready..


Empty Rife weight = 3.44kgs
4 X Mag = 1-2kg

Extra barrel weight = 1.5kg..
Wrench and other hardware can be not more than 1/2kgs..
Its somewhere 8 - 9kgs..
 

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Something tells me FINSAS` rifle is ready..


Empty Rife weight = 3.44kgs
4 X Mag = 1-2kg

Extra barrel weight = 1.5kg..
Wrench and other hardware can be not more than 1/2kgs..
Its somewhere 8 - 9kgs..
sir dont you think 3 kgs of extra wt that soldier carry affects its mobility and moreover it taken away space of 3 kgs of ammo space.

and what about so many newer weapons like tavor etc which are distributed completely randomly in forces?
pls put some light over it
 

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sir dont you think 3 kgs of extra wt that soldier carry affects its mobility and moreover it taken away space of 3 kgs of ammo space.

and what about so many newer weapons like tavor etc which are distributed completely randomly in forces?
pls put some light over it
The RFI specs are similar to FINSAS Specs..

I think Army pushed this on the time when FINSAS`s Rifle is battle ready, FINSAS was menat to replace Insas..



Actually in Units, Solider will carry only the rifle and the ammo, Not the Extra barrel..

The extra equipment will be in Unit`s armory

To my memory i have already told this in other thread not to long ago, And it seem i am wrong also right..



TAR-21 will be in SF, But future procurement of TAR-21 is highly doubt-able..

I am kinda happy !
 

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The RFI specs are similar to FINSAS Specs..

I think Army pushed this on the time when FINSAS`s Rifle is battle ready, FINSAS was menat to replace Insas..


Actually in Units, Solider will carry only the rifle and the ammo, Not the Extra barrel..

The extra equipment will be in Unit`s armory

To my memory i have already told this in other thread not to long ago, And it seem i am wrong also right..



TAR-21 will be in SF, But future procurement of TAR-21 is highly doubt-able..

I am kinda happy !

Kunal,
you are right.

Interchangeability is before joining the battle and not during the battle except for may be for defensive battles when one is static in trenches or in bunkers where there is no weight and all solders can engage enemy right form 500 m down to 10 meters.
 

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