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mist_consecutive

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What makes you think that buying Russian weapons make India a bootlicker of China? This is a fallacious argument you are making and it does not withstand scrutiny.
Okay, let's see it this way. After the collective West has abandoned Russia with multiple sanctions, esp. on chips/other technologies, Russia is sourcing them, or the raw material from China.

Now, going forward, buying any complex equipment (not things like guns) will mean -
  • Chinese materials will be used in them. We have seen Russian vehicles (esp. Panstir) stuck in Ukrainian fields due to cheap Chinese tires getting destroyed way before their predicted life. This is just one axis, we don't know what other effects equipment might have.

    For eg., Russian SAMs/Radar using Chinese computers/chipsets might completely deny to lock-on or
    even detect Chinese jets.

  • Chinese will have a veto power over them. During any Indo-China conflict, China can force Russia to stop supplying us with ammunition/spares/equipment altogether. While it is largely assumed Russia will not buckle over such pressure, we never know, and should not trust a geopolitical partner like they are our brothers.

  • It is likely to get delayed. Russia never had a good track record of supplying anything on time. Be it Ships, ADs, or Jets. They even take more time to service/MLU's existing equipment. And that was before the Russo-Ukraine war.
    Any high-value spare equipment (like S-400s, Tanks) in Russian inventory is likely to be diverted to use on the Western border rather than shipped to us on time.

  • Chinese will likely know the working/know-how of the weapon. A lot of Russian equipment is operated, or cloned by China. With increasing bonhomie between Russia & China, it is not unlikely that some Russian insiders will sell or collaborate with China for Russian technologies. Our over-dependence on Russian weapons makes us predictable versus China.

    For example, we prefer to field Mig-29UPGs/Mirage-2000s against our Northern border with China instead of Su-30MKIs which are more advanced. The likely reason is China is aware of all secrets of Flanker, including its BARS radar.


Here's something to ponder about. Russians have gained enormous amount of knowledge and experience in dealing with Western weapons and knowing what works and doesn't work. It would be extremely foolish and unwise to dismiss Russian weapons and the knowledge and know how. I bet that Russians are inventing new ways of improving their tanks to withstand the current challenges they face. And they have come up with innovative ways of defeating drones en masse. The Ukrainians freely admit that nearly all of their drones are useless and have resorted to jury rigged handheld drones and they only have limited success.

And don't forget that the Russians were at the receiving end of HIMARS and western artillery so they probably developed workable countermeasures against those weapons. That is something you cannot easily ignore.
I am not denying the effectiveness of Russian equipment. In fact, the war has shown large gaping holes in Western equipment and the myth of supposedly "poor quality" of Russian weapons is dispelled.

Some areas of Russian weapon fare better than the West is EW and Armoured vehicles (Tanks/IFVs).
 

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Apparently this video is running errands in social media putting a huge question mark over quality the newly recruited Agniveers.

I sincerely hope it's fake and the Army takes strict action against the people making the video

 

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Apparently this video is running errands in social media putting a huge question mark over quality the newly recruited Agniveers.

I sincerely hope it's fake and the Army takes strict action against the people making the video

Veer here with that Notredame hunchback deciding to parade walk
 

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Apparently this video is running errands in social media putting a huge question mark over quality the newly recruited Agniveers.

I sincerely hope it's fake and the Army takes strict action against the people making the video

Its alright, we don’t have to be so reactive in everything. Agniveer & his father is having a proud movement.
 

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Its alright, we don’t have to be so reactive in everything. Agniveer & his father is having a proud movement.
Finished training without even knowing how to march?

The agniveers are indeed creating a bit of problems as of now. Every place I have been to I have heard the same. Haven't interacted with an agniveer though
 

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Apparently this video is running errands in social media putting a huge question mark over quality the newly recruited Agniveers.

I sincerely hope it's fake and the Army takes strict action against the people making the video

The only problem I see here is this absolute fukery in the name of marching. I mean wtf, just 10 yrs back in NCC we could march thousand times better and it was engraved into us so much I can still march almost as good as before. What in the world are the agniveers upto?

I think this is a poser and not an actual agniveer.
 

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Apparently this video is running errands in social media putting a huge question mark over quality the newly recruited Agniveers.

I sincerely hope it's fake and the Army takes strict action against the people making the video

there are only two videos circulating on twitter as of now since 14th Nov, both are of same type. it can't be the case that only these two returned home and no one else did.

 

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there are only two videos circulating on twitter as of now since 14th Nov, both are of same type. it can't be the case that only these two returned home and no one else did.

lol, both these two surely don't fall under 25pc permanent enlistment. NCC guys have better drill than these 2 , with few weeks of training.
 

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there are only two videos circulating on twitter as of now since 14th Nov, both are of same type. it can't be the case that only these two returned home and no one else did.

Maybe it's a fake video but if it's genuine then there are big reasons to worry.

I personally do not agree with Agneever scheme as the frontiers we face are not Gaza or West Bank but China and Pakistan which requires highly trained and experienced professional soldiers. Training and making such soldiers takes time and lot of effort which is not passible in a 4 year conscription service
 

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Maybe it's a fake video but if it's genuine then there are big reasons to worry.

I personally do not agree with Agneever scheme as the frontiers we face are not Gaza or West Bank but China and Pakistan which requires highly trained and experienced professional soldiers. Training and making such soldiers takes time and lot of effort which is not passible in a 4 year conscription service
Well the US Army figured out to pull this off. Most of their recruits sign up for 4 year active service and 4 years in reserve and yet the US Army remains a highly capable military force.
 

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