Indian Army: News and Discussion

[binayak95]

Ah, didn't focus on Armoured Regiment part. Then probably for IMPV.

Yeah that 7.62 doesnt quite cut it. Even 50 cal is meh - go for 20mm

 

[Fatalis]

Yeah that 7.62 doesnt quite cut it. Even 50 cal is meh - go for 20mm

Now, media is saying it is for regiments of T-90 tanks. IA uses NSVT RCWS. Why didn't they went with M2 Browning as we already use it with IN.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Now, media is saying it is for regiments of T-90 tanks. IA uses NSVT RCWS. Why didn't they went with M2 Browning as we already use it with IN.

They chose NSVT as they’re already in use with all Indian Army tanks as turret mounted guns to use against air and ground targets in a manual functioning (T72CIA and Arjun) and Remote but no stabilisation, no FCS and no thermals (T90 Bhishma) and fully functioning RCWS with independent thermal sights, FCS, and stabilisation. All use the 12.7x108mm round unlike the 12.7x99mm round used in the M2 Browning based SRCG RCWS the Navy has chosen. Indian Navy has probably decided to shift to this round possibly to ensure commonality with other friendly Navies in our region who almost all use this caliber. This can also be seen with their decision to mount the GAU-21 (based on M2 Browning) helicopter door mounted HMG on their new ALH MK3s.

IN’s ALH MK3 w GAU-21 HMG

Hence, it does not make sense for the Indian Armoured Corps to move away from this round, unlike the navy who used the NSV guns on ships for A2A roles in limited numbers relative to the Army, who use the M2 in limited numbers on the LoC along with few sniper rifles of the same caliber.

 

[Fatalis]

They chose NSVT as they’re already in use with all Indian Army tanks as turret mounted guns to use against air and ground targets in a manual functioning (T72CIA and Arjun) and Remote but no stabilisation, no FCS and no thermals (T90 Bhishma) and fully functioning RCWS with independent thermal sights, FCS, and stabilisation. All use the 12.7x108mm round unlike the 12.7x99mm round used in the M2 Browning based SRCG RCWS the Navy has chosen. Indian Navy has probably decided to shift to this round possibly to ensure commonality with other friendly Navies in our region who almost all use this caliber. This can also be seen with their decision to mount the GAU-21 (based on M2 Browning) helicopter door mounted HMG on their new ALH MK3s.
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IN’s ALH MK3 w GAU-21 HMG
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Hence, it does not make sense for the Indian Armoured Corps to move away from this round, unlike the navy who used the NSV guns on ships for A2A roles in limited numbers relative to the Army, who use the M2 in limited numbers on the LoC along with few sniper rifles of the same caliber.

Thank you for nicely explaining.

 

[Fatalis]

Not sure who ordered.

 

[Fatalis]

Not sure who ordered.

Okay, now we know.

Pic credit: Defence Matrix

 

[binayak95]

Not sure who ordered.

I cant see the tweet
kya hai?

 

[Fatalis]

I cant see the tweet
kya hai?

AoN for 375 Light Bullet Proof Vehicles from IA.

 

[ezsasa]

Okay, now we know.
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Pic credit: Defence Matrix

No high altitude requirement, for plains perhaps.

https://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/882/RFPLBPV04112022.pdf

 

[Fatalis]

No high altitude requirement, for plains perhaps.

https://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/882/RFPLBPV04112022.pdf

Possible contenders: Mahindra ALSV and Ashok Leyland LBPV?

 

[ezsasa]

Possible contenders: Mahindra ALSV and Ashok Leyland LBPV?

looks ridiculous, but kalyani has a LBPV too. they haven't showcased it anywhere.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

looks ridiculous, but kalyani has a LBPV too. they haven't showcased it anywhere.

I wouldn't showcase it too if it was my product /s

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Hopefully IA is watching.Loitering munitions are changing warfare.The russian lancet series.

 

[rkhanna]

Hopefully IA is watching.Loitering munitions are changing warfare.The russian lancet series.

IMO Actually it's EW that's changing the modern battlefield. loitering Munitions is just a new form/evolution of standoff capability. - lower cost has put the capability in greater numbers with more players that's all. In GWI this was only the preview of the US via the tomahawk and other select countries.

The incremental evolution of standoff capability is IMO smaller than that in EW compared to say 3 decades ago.

Indian Military needs to truely understand and harness EW and Cyberwarefare within 5G frameworks - the Chinese for example are going leaps and bounds on that front

My two Paisa worth

 

[binayak95]

Hopefully IA is watching.Loitering munitions are changing warfare.The russian lancet series.

Loitering munitions are nothing new, and all they do is add to your defense complexity. Forces units to have EW and Anti Air QF guns. The real killer is, as always, long range arty.

 

[rkhanna]

Loitering munitions are nothing new, and all they do is add to your defense complexity. Forces units to have EW and Anti Air QF guns. The real killer is, as always, long range arty.

Well again LM are nothing more than a new form of LR Art ammo no?

 

[binayak95]

Well again LM are nothing more than a new form of LR Art ammo no?

The ones we have/are acquiring - the Israeli Avision systems, the old Harops, sure - but at what cost?
they are far more expensive than a truck load of MLRS and this forcefully relegates them to taking out high end targets like radars, EW sites, C&C nodes, etc etc.

Ukraine is fighting by breaking US and EU's bank, thus the disproportionately lopsided massacre of Russian army units (generously helped by stupid russian tactics and non existent tactical leadership) - so I would be careful in taking lessons from Ukr.

 

[another_armchair]

The least said about Indian procurement, the better. Most of our procurement is driven by geopolitical and strategic returns.

The L1 in our procurement does not necessarily mean best bang for the buck in the nations interest as has often been discovered later when there are far cheaper alternatives available.

 

[rkhanna]

The ones we have/are acquiring - the Israeli Avision systems, the old Harops, sure - but at what cost?
they are far more expensive than a truck load of MLRS and this forcefully relegates them to taking out high end targets like radars, EW sites, C&C nodes, etc etc.

Ukraine is fighting by breaking US and EU's bank, thus the disproportionately lopsided massacre of Russian army units (generously helped by stupid russian tactics and non existent tactical leadership) - so I would be careful in taking lessons from Ukr.

1) Ukraine - Russia not the only conflict in the last 2-3 years - so not basis of learning lessons alone

2) LM mass produced - this is essentially Gen 2. They will become common place and cheap by Gen 3 - we are paying Israel through our nose because we have no option as we cant produce ourselves. We are paying for old tech that was never commoditised. The Chinese will be able to however mass produce

3) MLRS have been around for ever. I am betting you will see LM launched from MLRS very soon in every battlefield -