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128 Night vision devices..

Isn't that not enough? Especially now that the NSG is set to have more bases and more numbers. Instead of spending money on say 10 T-90s, its more important to have the up-to-date equipment for most if not all NSG comandos.
The budget should be changed if need be but internal threats but the taken care of even before looking outside. (see Pakistan's situation)

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screwterrorist those are not night vision goggles....they are the night vision capable holograpic sights that they are talking about....and these can only be mounted on those sig assault rifles because they have a railing system besides an iron sight unlike our INSAS rifles

we already produce night vision goggles inhouse...
 

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India sends elite commandos to protect embassy in Pakistan

India sends elite commandos to protect embassy in Pakistan

www.chinaview.cn 2009-03-10 18:29:48 Print

NEW DELHI, March 10 (Xinhua) -- Amid rumors of a possible army coup in Pakistan, India has sent commandos to secure its embassy in Islamabad and protect its diplomats posted there, a top official said Tuesday.

"They will perform VIP security duties after assessing the situation there," head of India's elite paramilitary, the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF), N.R. Das told the media.

He said that CISF commandos are in charge of protection of diplomats at the Indian Embassy in Kathmandu and now they will do the same in Pakistan.

The CISF provides security cover to 269 industrial units located all over India.

Industrial Sectors like Atomic Power Plants, Space Installations, Defense Production Units, Mints, Oil Fields and Refineries, Major Ports, Heavy Engineering, Steel Plants, Barrages, Fertilizer units, Airports and Hydro electric and thermal power plants are protected by CISF.

Most of these installations are located in difficult terrains of the country with harsh climatic conditions.
 

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Hmm I see.
Still the point remains why only 128?

Are these systems too expensive? Or are they "force multipliers" anyways and not needed?
 

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i dont see why we are importing them?? we do produce night vision capable holographic sights!!
 

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For security review, NSG joins team to visit missions in Kabul, Dhaka, Colombo

New Delhi: As trouble brews all over its neighbourhood, India is set to send a high-level delegation of senior officials of the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Intelligence Bureau, Central Paramilitary Forces and the National Security Guard (NSG) to conduct an overall security review of its missions starting with Afghanistan.

It’s learnt that the delegation, led by a senior IB officer will shortly leave for Kabul for a security review at the Indian Embassy which was the target of a suicide car bombing on July 7, 2008. Security reviews in Dhaka and Colombo are next on the agenda, said sources.

Despite beefing up security at the Kabul mission and the four consulates located in Herat, Mazar-e-Sharif, Jalalabad and Kandahar, the threat perception to Indian missions in Afghanistan has been a source of constant worry to New Delhi.

What makes this delegation unique is the presence of the NSG, perhaps the first time that the elite commando force has been engaged in such an exercise. Officials of ITBP, which currently guards the Indian Embassy in Kabul, and the CISF , which has been given the go-ahead to raise a special force to guard vulnerable missions, will also join the delegation.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/for-security-review-nsg-joins-team-to-visit-missions-in-kabul-dhaka-.../433516/
 

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The embassy of a nation within another nation's territory is the sole property of that former nation itself. As such, we have every right to take the necessary safeguards to protecting the lives and property of our citizens, particularly given that a devastating attack on one of our embassies in Kabul issued not so long ago from the very country of which we speak.
 

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I couldn't agree more... very true... in fact, we can trust the Western nations to provide better security for our embassies than our immediate neighbourhood who's engaged in "other" activities...
 

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Army papers seized from photocopy shop

MHOW (MADHYA PRADESH): The sixth detachment of the Central Command liaison unit, Army Intelligence, seized top secret Army documents on Monday morning from a photocopy shop in the city, police said.

Two persons, Vipul Jain and Ajay Sanghi, were arrested under Section 3 of the Official Secrets Act and detailed investigations were being conducted by the Army and police, they said.

The intelligence unit commanding officer, Vikram Sinho, got a tip-off that large-scale photocopying of Army documents was being done at the shop of Vipul Jain in Chota Bazar area. A team sent by Major Sinho raided the shop and recovered more than 1,000 copies of books, which contained training methodology and tactics of the Army of the Infantry school, three CDs and six floppy discs, they said.

Interrogation on


Additional Superintendent of Police (Rural) Satyendra Shukla said police were interrogating the accused to find out whether these books were sold to any outsider or not. He said some Army officers had given this stuff to the shop-owner for making more copies and binding them properly like a book.

Mr. Shukla said the Army authorities were themselves interrogating the duo to find out the names of the personnel involved. — PTI


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Dispute over BrahMos field trial continues

NEW DELHI: It has been more than a week since a new version of supersonic cruise missile was test-fired but the Army is still to make up its mind on whether it was successful or not.

The result of the test carried out at the Army’s Pokhran field firing range in Rajasthan on March 4 is still being evaluated, said officials. Even as Brah- Mos Aerospace officials have claimed that the missile achieved the desired results during the trial, the Army still maintains that it is evaluating the general staff quality requirements.

The dispute over the trial result has only widened the rift between the Army and the scientific establishment. The BrahMos officials claim that the missile had hit the target within the error probability.

The Army claims that since it is going to be the end-user, it should be fully satisfied whether the weapon system is capable of delivering as per its requirements.

This was the second test of the missile after a trial conducted in January had failed.

The Army wanted the cruise missile to identify and hit a target among a group of objects. In the first test, the missile had completely failed and the scientists blamed it on a defect in the homing software which was being used for the first time.

BrahMos has a range of 290 km but the new version is being tested in a short range scenario. The missile was assigned to hit the target within a distance of around 40 km. It becomes more challenging to guide the supersonic missile within a short distance. The duration of the test was a mere 150 seconds.

The difference of opinion between the Army and the BrahMos Aerospace, a joint venture of Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Russian Federal Unitary Enterprise, has added to the widening rift between the developer and the end-user.

It has opened the debate in the defence establishment over the quality of indigenous weapons systems being developed by DRDO. The Army still has problems with the main battle tank Arjun.

It came to a point when the entire project was close to being scrapped till it was revived by the personal intervention of Defence Minister A K Antony.
The Air Force is not satisfied with the home built Light Combat Aircraft.

The scientific establishment feels that there is a lobby within the Armed Forces that prefers to go for foreign equipment.
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Dispute%20over%20BrahMos%20field%20trial%20continues
 

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/15/content_11015124.htm


India to strengthen para-military forces with 100 new batallions



NEW DELHI, March 15 (Xinhua) -- India will strengthen its para-military forces by at least 100 new batallions in two years' time, in light of new security concerns following the Mumbai terror attacks last November, said a senior government official Sunday.

The official said that the Indian Home Ministry has approved the raising of some 100 new batallions including those for the Central Reserve Police Force, Central Industrial Security Force and Border Security Force, to meet the shortfall in the country's Army, Navy and Air Force.

"The new battalions, with 1,100 personnel, will allow the government to properly utilize the para-military forces inside the country in cases of any terror attacks. India had to call its Army and Navy commandos during the Mumbai massacre. The country now wants only the six para-military forces to pitch in as the armed forces are there to counter any attack from outside," he said, on anonymity.

At present, there are seven paramilitary forces under the Indian Home Ministry, and one under Indian Defense Ministry, with a total of 717,909 officers and men.

The shortage of officers in the armed forces has reached 23.8 percent for the Army, 16.7 percent for the Navy and 12 percent for the Air Force respectively.

"There is a shortage of 11,119 officers in army, 1,359 officers in navy and 1,352 officers in air force. Armed forces have 53,849 officers against a sanctioned strength of 67,679," Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony said a few months ago.
 

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aah...whats the use??? you can't fight someone you cant see!!
 

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I don't see a reason as to why is there a shortage of officers in the Army. Thousands of students who give exam for IMA and NDA are not selected. Can't 25% more students be admitted to fill the gap. Are those 25% too unusable for the Army.
 

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And I think most of the batallions will be used against the Naxals....
 

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I don't see a reason as to why is there a shortage of officers in the Army. Thousands of students who give exam for IMA and NDA are not selected. Can't 25% more students be admitted to fill the gap. Are those 25% too unusable for the Army.
Not only that, I know of a few friends myself who wanted to join the defence forces and had no idea of how to do it... I can realise the dilemma that other students must be facing as well...

A lot of people are misinformed about the armed forces and the defence forces need to undertake campaigns to educate college youth about the opportunities available in the defence forces and try to project it as a wholistic career for the brave-hearted and for the people who don't tread on the beaten track...

With that, I think they should not have any shortage of qualified officers which the defence forces are currently facing...
 

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With a country of our geographical and demographic size, we definitely need to augment our paramilitary forces with greater batallions. It was disappointing for me to see that the NSG during the siege of Mumbai had to be flown in from Delhi-- moreso that they had to twiddle their thumbs for two hours while the IL-76 aircraft was being requisitioned from Chandigarh. Ofcourse that has subsequently been rectified with the civil aviation ministry allowing an officer of the rank of joint secretary or above in the civil aviation or home ministry to order an aircraft's requisitioning and the Union Home ministry further simplifying the ordinance by empowering the director-general of the NSG or an inspector-general of the force authorized by the chief to requisition an aircraft directly from any private operator registered in the country. But stationing at least 4 batallions of the Black Cats in dedicated headquarters in the vicinity of every metropolis and atleast 4 in the vicinity of every major city would ensure that undue and debilitating delays involved in logistics and red-tape are avoided. Furthermore, Special Response Units stationed in the vicinity would have 3 viable modes of transport: road, rail and air as opposed to only one, thus allowing for greater simultaneous troop movement and less dependency-- and less inherent risk-- on a single transport mean.

I also think that the Special Action Group: the strike force of the NSG, should be retrained by the Israeli Shabak/ISA (in threat-neutralization operations like counter-terrorism intelligence, VVIP protection and securing important infrastructure and government buildings) and the Home Front Command (in Search & Rescue operations) under a government-government done deal sooner rather than later. I also think that they should be indoctrinated in interrogation techniques and directly involved in grilling pig spawn cretins that perpetrate acts of terror -- just as they are involved in PBI -- rather than the state police.
 

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I don't see a reason as to why is there a shortage of officers in the Army. Thousands of students who give exam for IMA and NDA are not selected. Can't 25% more students be admitted to fill the gap. Are those 25% too unusable for the Army.
Measures are being taken: The number of officers reported to be commissioned from the IMA in June this year itself been 685, the highest ever since its inception. This increased intake seems to be one of the measures undertaken by the government to make up the deficiencies; and minimum service for short service has been extended and women officers from 5 to 10 years, and further extendable to 14 years have been introduced.

There is a politics at play in the highlighting of the shortfall of Army officers in Parliament- done repeatedly and conertedly. It is being done - purportedly - to emphasize the tough conditions and limitations the Army men and women are operating under and to showcase the career preferences of today's youth: the relatively better paying private sector. But the goal (perhaps justifiably) of this repeated emphasis is to demand better pay and perks for the Army to somewhat redress this anomaly.

It is also poignant to remember that the term 'officers' in the Indian Army refers only to fully Comissioned Officers, not Non-Comissioned Officers or Junior Comissioned Officers- the latter being a vestige of the British-Indian Army and unique only to the subcontinent. In the past, these JCO's operated on the basis of social, communal and filial obligations- from whence they derived their authority- as opposed to any state-invested authority in them. Now, despite the fact that we have retained these JCO's in the post-independence era, their norms and provenance of authority have not been redefined given the dramatic changes that have undergone in the nation's strategic imperatives, organizational requirements and indeed civil society itself.

Even more poignant to note is that India, with such a severe officer disability, is one of the largest UN peacekeeping forces in the world, and that the posting of officers to UN assignments is nearly double that of the standard authorization. This is undoubtedly due to patrimonialism and the fact that the relative comforts and perks associated with UN peackeeping missions are all too enticing.

Realistically speaking, given that this shortfall in officers will not be redressed in the short run, one viable strategy is to adapt the role and functions of Non-Comissioned Officers in armies like that of the US and France to the JCO's, somewhat alleviating the burden from Fully Comissioned Officers and establishing a conduit between these and regular troops. It would also mitigate the need to authorize recruitment of new officers (which would severely impact the revenue : capital expenditure ratio and bloat pension expenditures in the very long run).

There have been some encouraging reports however of senior officers being willing to inculcate modern sophisticated management techniques: a batch of 15 IA officers of triple-star ranking completed an advanced management course involving applied macro-management techniques in warfare and departmental management at the Management Development Institute in Gurgaon in 2007.

What we need to rejuvenate the sapping strength of Army officer numbers is gradual organizational reform and restructuring. Moreso, a marginal cropping of the Armed Forces' size 'sanctioned strength' to include a more capable and intelligent troop core coupled with a significantly larger incorporation of technology. Even more importantly, all of these activities must be time bound, and the ensuing period of transition or flux must be managed quickly and effectively. If the Indian Army is to be a truly capable force, capable of managing the expanding interests and strategic prerogatives of the country, we need to get of our bureaucratic buttocks and overcome our political apathy. As members of civil society, we can also help in propagating the attractiveness of an Army career- indeed, consider it as a viable and self-sacrificing alternative for ourselves :drink:
 

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rage i think we dont need anymore para battalions.....
we already have the biggest paramilitary force in the world.....

what we need is a well equiped para military force which has all the gadgets it has to carryout its task....instead of half trained soldiers roaming around with junked SLR's just straing away the government's limited resources..

how many terrorist/naxals do they have to fight????what is the point of keeping such a huge force of semi trained men????

i reapeat you cant fight the enemy(terrorists) you cant see.....
 

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rage i think we dont need anymore para battalions.....
we already have the biggest paramilitary force in the world.....

what we need is a well equiped para military force which has all the gadgets it has to carryout its task....instead of half trained soldiers roaming around with junked SLR's just straing away the government's limited resources..

how many terrorist/naxals do they have to fight????what is the point of keeping such a huge force of semi trained men????

i reapeat you cant fight the enemy(terrorists) you cant see.....
I think you're right. Rather than incorporate new batallions, we ought to be incorporating new technology, procuring better weapons and augmenting training. Perhaps I should have rephrased my words to imply a better distribution of paramilitary squadrons in and around major cities, and a restructuring of the system so that JCO's- who now act only as a conduit between FCO's and the rank and file- can also perform the role and functions of a Non-commissioned Officers, to alleviate our officer shortage.

The focus also has to be on thoroughly penetrating militant organizations and rendering them fractious as has been done with the Naxals of the NLFB and ULFA. Let the b*s-turds fight each other, then swoop in and mop up the remains.
 

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