Indian Army MRSAM

[Prashant12]

The delivery of the first system for the Army units will begin in 72 months of the signing of the contract.

72 months.. is this correct ??

Yes! Because IAF has 9 squadrons of MR-SAM on Order. Plus Naval Version of LR-SAM.
With Production rate at 100 missiles a year So it will take 72 months for Army.

 

[Adioz]

Most here are familiar with the Barak-8 program and the importance it holds for the Indian armed forces. So far, four variants have been proposed for service;

• Naval Barak-8 (70km) system designed for anti-air and anti-ship missile defence both long range as well point defence. This system also comprises of EL/M-2248 MF-STAR AESA radar. As per rumours it could also serve as a point defence ABM.
• MRSAM(70km) variant for the IAF, designed for air defence and cruise missile defence.
• A highly mobile shorter range variant (50km) for IA, designed for air defence as well anti-PGM capabilities which could possibly include point defence ABM capabilities (Nasr).
• An extended range version (150km) called Barak-8ER which in all likelihood will find its way to IN and IAF inventory.

Now for the real reason this thread is created.

Barak-8 as an AAM.

Indian air force is one of the proposed user of KS-172 and R-37. These are the long range missiles that were designed primarily for killing slower, less maneuverable platforms like large transports, refueling tankers, AWACS and other C4ISTAR platforms. But these missiles are practically useless for engaging highly maneuverable fighters because the low g-tolerance of these missile don't allow them to do so.

By rule of thumb, an AAM needs to pull atleast 4 times more g-force than the target it is engaging, something the aforementioned missiles cannot do.

According to sources, Rafael and Raytheon are developing a Stunner (David's sling program) based long range BVRAAM leveraging on the key technologies developed for program namely the dual seekers placed in its very unique "dolphin nose" and a triple pulse motor. So my question is what's stopping India from doing the same? Here are few points in favour;

• Barak-8 is already in service with India as its co-developer.
• It has an excellent active seeker.
• It has 2-way datalink.
• It can be guided by Phalcon or DRDO AEW&CS.
• It has very high g performance. At 80g, it is twice that of contemporary AIM 120C5, SD-10 etc.
• At 60 kg, its warhead is five times larger than the one in AIM 120C5.
• At 4.5 meters and 275 kg weight it is not significantly longer or heavier than contemporary BVRAAMs. At the same time it short enough to be carried internally by FGFA.
• By rule of thumb, an AAM has 3 times the range when the same missile is fired from the surface. This suggests that Barak-8 as AAM could very well have 200 km+ range.
• With use of existing technologies, this program could be very economically efficient.

With Barak-8 as BVRAAM, even lower rung IAF fighters like Tejas or Mirage could kill much superior Flankers from the Eastern side at much longer distances when backed by AWACS. This could be the solution to many of IAF problems like delays in aircraft acquisition, dwindling squadron strength, less reliance on Su-30MKI, more threats neutralized with higher sortie generation.

@LETHALFORCE , @pmaitra , @bengalraider ,@sob , @Zebra ,@ersakthivel , @bennedose and others....

The speed of mach 2 was never confirmed by IAI or DRDO in my opinion, I'd prefer to be corrected on this one. One source posted it and the rest cited it. Kinda like Janes' Bedi on weight of Arjun Mk2 at 55 tons and rest of the media kept citing it. We know how that turned out to be.

Even if it's true, when fired by aircraft at transonic or supersonic speeds should add additional 1 mach to the said mach 2.

• SAM are usually built to fly at speeds of around mach 2 so as to allow them to effectively engage targets approaching their location. SAM are defensive in nature. Hence Barak-8 indeed has a speed of mach 2.
• AAM are usually built to fly at speeds of around mach 4 so as to allow it to catcha fleeing target. Hence AMRAAM, Meteor, Python, Derby, etc fly at mach 4.
• At Mach 2, Barak-8 can, at most, chase a PLAAF Flanker away. It cannot shoot it down 'cause its too slow.
• The additional 1 mach is indeed added to the 2 mach speed of the missile when it is launched from a transonic aircraft. However, that speed reduces to mach 2 later on in the flight 'cause the rocket motor is going to sustain thrust enough only for a "cruise" at 2 mach.

 

[Prashant12]

IAI Signs Contracts in India Worth Nearly $2 Billion


Over $1.6 billion contract for MRSAM Air & Missile Defense System for the Indian Army is considered to be the largest defense contract in Israel's Defense Industries' history

IAI's MRSAM Missile Test in June 2016

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) announced today that the company has been awarded contracts in India totaling almost $2.0 billion. In a mega-contract worth over $1.6 billion, considered to be the largest defense contract in Israel's Defense Industries' history, IAI will provide an advanced MRSAM air & missile defense systems to the Indian Army.

The company will also supply additional LRSAM air & missile defense systems for the first build in India Indian aircraft carrier.

MRSAM is an advanced ground breaking air and missile defense system that provides the ultimate protection against a variety of aerial threats. In its existing version, MRSAM is operational with the Indian Air Force, Indian Navy and Israel Defense Forces. The system includes an advanced phased-array radar, command and control, mobile launchers and missiles with advanced RF seekers. MRSAM was developed jointly for the Indian Army by IAI and India's Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) in collaboration with RAFAEL and IAI/Elta, and worked with various Indian companies including BEL, L&T, BDL and other private vendors.

Joseph Weiss, IAI's President and CEO, said: "Over the past 25 years, IAI has worked with the Indian defense industries and armed forces in many areas as part of our strategic partnership. The current contracts represent an enormous expression of confidence by the Government of India in IAI's capabilities and advanced technologies which are being developed with our local partners as part of the Indian Government's 'Make in India' policy. We continue to stand with our partners in India at the forefront of technology for the defense and security of both our countries." Weiss added: "this contract award also recognizes the professionalism of all of Israel's defense industries. We at IAI are proud to be leading this flagship project after a long and joint development process."

Boaz Levi, Executive Vice President and General Manager of Systems, Missiles & Space Group said: "Along with our partner in India, we will supply to the Indian Army an advanced, sophisticated and innovative system that will provide the best operational solution. This complex development, reflects technological innovation, creativity, vision and remarkable personal dedication of all those involved in the development of the system both in Israel and India".

http://www.iai.co.il/2013/32981-48461-en/MediaRoom.aspx

 

[Guest]

@Immanuel IA version is supposed to be different from IAF.

It was to be smaller, lighter missile with less range on a high mobility platform like one below.

It was supposed to carry 6 instead of the usual 8 missiles.

Barak 8 is already smaller than Akash- example 2 barak=1 Akash So 6-8 tube unit can be mounted on this truck-

 

[sthf]

Barak 8 is already smaller than Akash- example 2 barak=1 Akash So 6-8 tube unit can be mounted on this truck-

I meant lighter than the current versions in production.

 

[Indibomber]

Are we getting any technology transfer or is it joint venture or is it a straightforward supply of LRSAM's?

 

[Chinmoy]

Are we getting any technology transfer or is it joint venture or is it a straightforward supply of LRSAM's?

Its a JV and as far as news go, Israel is giving us Know Why instead of Know How on seeker tech and other aspects.

 

[Guest]

I meant lighter than the current versions in production.

I doubt- It will be the same missile-

 

[Prashant12]

DRDO-IAI to deliver medium range missile MRSAM system to Indian Army by 2020

After years of wait, the Indian Army will finally get an advanced medium-range surface to air missile (MRSAM) system by 2020 which will be able to shoot down ballistic missiles, fighter jets and attack helicopters from a range of around 70 km.

The missile system will be produced by premier defence research organisation DRDO in collaboration with the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), a senior army official said.

The MRSAM system will be capable of shooting down enemy ballistic missiles, aircraft, helicopters, drones, surveillance aircraft and AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control Systems) aircraft, the official said on condition of anonymity as he is not authorised to speak to the media.

The current version of MRSAM is operational with the Indian Air Force and the Navy.

Read | DRDO successfully test fires anti-tank guided missile 'Nag' in desert ranges of Rajasthan

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has signed a Rs 17,000 crore deal with the IAI for the ambitious project.

The MR-SAM, a land-based version of the long-range surface-to-air missile (LRSAM) for the Navy, will have a strike range of up 70 km, the official said.

The deal envisages 40 firing units and around 200 missiles.

“The MRSAM for Army’s Air Defence is an advanced all weather, 360 degree mobile land based theatre air defence system capable of providing air defence to critical areas against a wide variety of threats in a combat zone,” the official said.

The first set of missile system will be ready in the next three years, he said.The Army has been pressing the government to enhance its aerial attack capability considering the evolving security challenges.

Read | India test fires surface-to-air short range quick reaction missile

In May, the Army successfully test fired an advanced version of the Brahmos land-attack cruise missile in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

The Indian Army, which became the first land force in the world to deploy the Brahmos in 2007, has raised several regiments of this formidable weapon.

In May 2015, the Army had inducted the indigenously-developed supersonic surface-to-air missile Akash which is capable of targeting enemy helicopters, aircraft and UAVs from a range of 25 km.

The Army thinks procurement of the MRSAM will mark a paradigm shift in its strike capability.

http://www.newsnation.in/india-news...em-to-indian-army-by-2020-article-180543.html

 

[sthf]

The deal envisages 40 firing units and around 200 missiles.

I wasn't any good with Maths and still am not but is the media suggesting that India is buying 5 missiles for every launcher that has either 6 or 8 VLS tubes?

If that's the case, neither MOD nor Israelis know how to do simple counting or DDM screwed the pooch again.

 

[rockrocky]

Defence Minister @arunjaitley handed over Long Range Surface to Air Missile, #LRSAM to Indian Navy

 

[shiphone]

another "Barak-8"

it is said that Azerbaijan ordered the operational land-based version of the long-range missile system with 12 launchers and 75 surface-to-air missiles from IAI years ago(2012?)...

and last year, I watched some tv news of the the Barak8 test launch by Azerbaijan armed force. the screenshot of lauched missile caught our eyes ...

just got something interesting and much clearer...

 

[sthf]

just got something interesting and much clearer...

Very interesting indeed. The one on left looks similar to ESSM.

 

[Prashant12]

Army orders surface to air missile, making it the first tri-service weapon
Army today signed a contract in Hyderabad that requires DRDO to develop an army version of the medium range surface to air missile

A year ago, the army was planning “surgical strikes” across the India-Pakistan Line of Control (LoC) to avenge the killing of 19 Indian soldiers near Uri, on September 18. But Pakistani retaliation was anticipated and a key Indian Air Force (IAF) base, protected only by aging Soviet-era missiles, was vulnerable to Pakistani air strikes.

There was only one option. In Hyderabad, Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) was putting the finishing touches on a potent new missile – the eponymous Medium Range Surface to Air Missile, or MR-SAM – which the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) has just developed.

The die was cast. Without fanfare, the IAF’s first MR-SAM squadron was airlifted to the vulnerable base – a vote of confidence based on recent firing trials. When Indian commandos crossed on LoC on the night of September 28, 2016, the brand new missile was ready for operational use.

On Monday, the army signalled its confidence in the MR-SAM, signing a contract in Hyderabad that requires the DRDO to develop an army version of the MR-SAM and BDL to build and supply it. A defence ministry release stated, “The contract was signed for production, deliveries and product support of MR-SAM system for the Indian Army.”

The MR-SAM and its naval version, called the LR-SAM (Long-Range Surface to Air Missile), were developed by the DRDO in partnership with Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI). DRDO developed about 30 per cent of these missile platforms, while IAI developed the bulk of it.

This makes these missile platforms the first tri-service weapon in service with India’s military. There are only minor differences: the naval LR-SAM is fired from sealed canisters below warship decks that protect the missile from the corrosive marine environment. The LR-SAM primarily targets sea-skimming, anti-ship missiles.

The IAF version of the MR-SAM is mounted on trailers, and is fired from the open at enemy fighters screaming in to attack air bases. The army version, which provides protection against enemy ground attack aircraft, will be mounted on high-mobility vehicles that can keep up with tank columns moving cross-country.

The missiles are the same for all versions, except for the software that controls their “self-destruct” function. The LR-SAM, which is a sea-skimming missile, self-destructs simply by pitching its nose down and plunging into the sea. The MR-SAM, which would be mainly used over land, is required to “pitch up” before it self-destructs, so that the debris are scattered.

DRDO sources claim the cost of Rs 6 crore per missile is cheap, given that it shoots down sophisticated fighters costing hundreds of crore; and protects warships that cost thousands of crore.

All three versions of the missile have a sophisticated central radar – called the Multi-function and Search and Track Alert Radar (MF-STAR). This detects incoming enemy aircraft and missiles that are well over a hundred kilometres away, and then guides the missile to the target, intercepting it at ranges out to 70 kilometres.

The MR-SAM contract was signed in 2009, but complex technological challenges have caused delays. In May 2016, Parliament’s Standing Committee on Defence said in a report that the MR-SAM project has been delayed by 4 years.

In another report dated March 2017, the Standing Committee stated the MR-SAM project cost a total of Rs 10,076 crore. Of this, the DRDO’s share, which constituted the development cost, added up to Rs 1,680 crore. The remaining amount, which amounted to Rs 8,396 crore, was committed by the IAF towards the guaranteed purchase of missiles and other systems.


http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-first-tri-service-weapon-117092500988_1.html

 

[SELVAM]

Barak-8 Missile System a ‘Cash Cow’ For Israeli Aerospace Industries: IAI CEO

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/21...w____For_Israeli_Aircraft_Industries__IAI_CEO

 

[SELVAM]

Apparently we r joint partner in this program. We partially funded this project in development stage. Now we hav to pay hard cash for the same system. Seems like we only got another screwdriver job in this so called joint development project

 

[VIP]

Apparently we r joint partner in this program. We partially funded this project in development stage. Now we hav to pay hard cash for the same system. Seems like we only got another screwdriver job in this so called joint development project

If Israel wants to acquire this system, it also has to pay hard cash. Joint venture doesn't mean we get it for free.

 

[Aghore_King]

Do we owbs the IPR for this system....???

 

[Bornubus]

Barak-8 Missile System a ‘Cash Cow’ For Israeli Aerospace Industries: IAI CEO

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/21...w____For_Israeli_Aircraft_Industries__IAI_CEO

Barak 8 has been sold to Azerbaijan which has strong military ties with Pak including joint defense production pact.


Azerbaijan also support Pak on Kashmir issue.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Barak 8 has been sold to Azerbaijan which has strong military ties with Pak including joint defense production pact.


Azerbaijan also support Pak on Kashmir issue.

This is bad.Bad.I am sure India gave clearance.