Indian Army Aviation Wing

[Kunal Biswas]

If an Mi14 needs additional inflatable flotation devices to float how about Mi26? ("Yes")

May be HUGE once, But i never mentioned Chopper with Floating devices nor i posted that MI-14 vid, Nor its abt Floating competition.. :- /, The manuver call Hover or Floating without any devises specialized in floating..

The Question remain same, What type of Operation we needed so that we need Chinook, Further Chinook is a contender for Heavy lifting not tactical lifting that is done by MI-17 in Indian Forces..

Another excellent contender for heavy lift:

What is use ? May be good but no match in heavy lifting compare to MI-26 ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[asianobserve]

"What type of Operation we needed so that we need Chinook"

Primarily, heavy lift. Secondary, practically everything else, troops transport, special ops, SAR... Don't you think this will be a more practical machine than a purely heavy lift Mi26T2?

 

[asianobserve]

Those Embraers are excellent COIN aircrafts... no arguments there.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

"What type of Operation we needed so that we need Chinook"

Primarily, heavy lift. Secondary, practically everything else, troops transport, special ops, SAR... Don't you think this will be a more practical machine than a purely heavy lift Mi26T2?

Chinook is something between MI-26 & MI-17, But as IAF & IA doctrine MI-17 suits the role for Tactical operations and MI-26 for heavy lifting like supplies to far north over Ladak....

 

[asianobserve]

"But as IAF & IA doctrine MI-17 suits the role for Tactical operations and MI-26 for heavy lifting like supplies to far north over Ladak...."

How about this bird as a possible replacement for the venerable Mi17:

 

[asianobserve]

Something like that baby above was used in the Abottabad raid. A more modified version.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Something like that baby above was used in the Abottabad raid. A more modified version.

No, MI-17 can carry more payload and more men at required ranges..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

How about this bird as a possible replacement for the venerable Mi17:

Though HAL Dhruv is more flexible in deep insertion missions, Its more like our Indian specified S-70 like helo..

12-14 Troops for immediate transportation

Armed Version Of Dhruv

Tactical transportation capability

Its small, More agile, Very High altitude capability..

 

[Parthy]

India shortlists PARS 3 LR system of MBDA

The PARS 3 LR guided missile system of MBDA has been short listed for the Indian Army's future air-to-ground missile requirement, the company announced at the Paris Air Show on Wednesday.

Hindustan Aeronautical Limited has already received a proposal from the MBDA Deutschland for its PARS 3 LR multi-target, long range weapon systems for HAL's Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH DHRUV).

"I am delighted that the Indian Army has short listed PARS 3 LR for its procurement project. This represents a further confirmation of the close partnership MBDA has developed with India over the years," Werner Kaltenegger, Managing Director of MBDA Deutschland, said.

The successful industrial trials confirm the high level of reliability of the PARS 3 LR guided missile system, he added.

Recently in April 2011, three PARS 3 LR firings were carried out from a German Tiger helicopter at the Vidsel test range in Sweden by MBDA Deutschland for its export campaign in India.

All three missiles were equipped with live warheads and all three struck their intended targets at the optimal hit points.

Two firings were carried out within one minute of each other, the first against a static target at a range of 7,000 m and the second against a moving target at a range of 700 m. The third firing was carried out with the helicopter in fast forward flight against a static target at a range of 7,000 m.



India shortlists PARS 3 LR system of MBDA - Brahmand.com

 

[ace009]

Though HAL Dhruv is more flexible in deep insertion missions, Its more like our Indian specified S-70 like helo..

Its small, More agile, Very High altitude capability..

The LCH does not look like an attack Helo or a gunship. It does not have the sleek shape, the speed or the armament necessary for a real attack role. I would love to have the Apache Longbow in IA.

 

[pmaitra]

"But as IAF & IA doctrine MI-17 suits the role for Tactical operations and MI-26 for heavy lifting like supplies to far north over Ladak...."

How about this bird as a possible replacement for the venerable Mi17:

I'd pick the Mil-28N over this any day. On the other hand, the Kamov-50/52 goes way beyond what Sikorsky ever achieved.

Also, I'd strongly encourage you to read this thread. It will save you from asking question that are already answered: http://defenceforumindia.com/indian-army/21717-attack-choppers-add-teeth-indian-armys-strike.html

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The LCH does not look like an attack Helo or a gunship. It does not have the sleek shape, the speed or the armament necessary for a real attack role. I would love to have the Apache Longbow in IA.

That is Dhruv aka ALH..
ALH has a very good speed also it can engage Tanks from 5-7kms away, In that case its not needed for armor, Specially when in defense..

 

[Parthy]

India requests overhaul for 30 Mi-17 helicopters

India has issued a request for proposals for the overhaul of 30 Mil Mi-171V transport helicopters, with the work to be done outside India.

The work includes transporting the machines to an overseas location, where the main and tail rotors and storage batteries are to be replaced, according to the defence ministry's request. Other work will include replacing the aircraft's rubberised fuel tanks.

Other equipment that needs servcing includes winch assemblies, weapons and countermeasures systems.

The 30 Mi-171Vs have been operational for eight years and have recorded around 2,000 flying hours each. The Indian air force expects the overhaul of each helicopter to take 10 weeks.


India requests overhaul for 30 Mi-17 helicopters

 

[Kunal Biswas]

A FORCE MULTIPLIER
By Colonel V S Guleria ©Sainik Samachar - Vol.49, No.2, 16-31 Jan 2002

The advent of air-power in the 20th century revolutionized warfare by adding a third dimension to the battlefield on land and in sea. The advancement in new and improved weapon systems gave rise to associated equipment, organization and tactics. The increased ranges and lethality of field artillery weapons needed better land-based observation posts manned by trained artillery officers. Thus came into being the Air Observation Posts in which artillery officers flew small and highly maneuverable aircraft and began directing long-range medium artillery to fire accurately at targets beyond the observation limit of ground-based artillery observers.

Air Observation Post Flights (Air OP-Flights) were Air Force units manned and maintained by Air Force personnel except for pilots who were artillery officers. The primary role of these Air OP flights was to act as 'Eyes of the Artillery' and engage targets in depth which were not visible to ground observers. The Air OP organization, over the years, evolved from a humble Austen aircraft force to a large all-helicopter fleet. The men and machines, of the Army Aviation Corps, have done yeoman service during the two major wars and innumerable missions of mercy in peace time for which they have earned accolades far out of proportion to their small numbers. The inventory boasts of two Maha Vir Chakra, one Uttam Yudh Seva Medal, 16 Vir Chakra, three Ati Vishisht Seva Medals, 11 Shaurya Chakra, five Yudh Seva Medals, one Bar to Sena Medal, 54 Sena Medals, eight Vayu Sena Medals, 19 Vishisht Seva Medals, 45 Mention-in-Despatches, 154 Chief of Army Staff Commendation Cards and a number of Chief of Air Staff Commendation Cards.

This fledgling arm of the Indian Army is headed by an Additional Director General of the rank of Major General at the Army HQ. The pilots for Army Aviation Corps are being drawn from all arms. In more recent times, conflicts in various parts of the world, Vietnam and Gulf War in particular, made it clear that integral aviation resources would provide the field force commander real time battlefield flexibility and enhancement in combat power. The third dimension would be within the planning ambit of the field commander. The operational diversities of the Indian Army, coupled with variety of terrain, accelerated the acceptance of the concept of Army Aviation Corps as a lethal force-multiplier. The Indian Army's extensive deployment in mountainous and high altitude terrain, over the crest line observation for reconnaissance by field commanders, direction of artillery fire and speedy move of commanders to the forward posts which are difficult to access, make availability of helicopters a necessity. Speedy CASEVAC (Casualty Evacuation) from inaccessible areas, both in war and peace conditions, needed rotary wing effort close by and on call. Hence, a need was felt for a dedicated aviation effort for every Infantry / Mountain Division. Gradually after the Indo-Pak War in 1971, the Indian Army started becoming increasingly mechanized for warfare in plains and desert terrain. Integration of the third dimension with mechanized forces was the order of the day, world over. Mobile warfare enforced the need for a third dimensional weapon platform like the helicopter.

Hence, the Army Aviation Corps inducted officers from other combat arms, including artillery officers, to form a composite third dimensional force for an integrated battle. Attack helicopters have now become part of the mechanized warfare for operating closely with the ground formations in the thick of a battle. The logistic support for far-flung Army posts in inaccessible high altitude terrain, where air-dropping by heavy fixed-wing aircraft previously was expensive and wasteful, opened the need for one to two tonne capacity utility helicopters which could lift loads from forward logistic areas at road-heads or helipads accessible to heavy utility helicopters. The conversion of the erstwhile Air OP units with the Indian Air Force (IAF) into a total olive green aviation force opened new vistas of tactical involvement and battle utilisation. Many other roles got added to the primary task of providing observation for artillery fire, making the Army Aviation Corps a very versatile and formidable force. The Corps is now poised to act as an effective combat arm with the planned acquisition of attack, utility, reconnaissance & surveillance helicopters and even fixed-wing aircraft. The expansion of the Indian Army considerably increased the utilization spectrum of small helicopters.

In 1984, the Indian Army's Northern Command inducted the HAL Cheetah into the Siachen Glacier. Helicopters landed in an area where perhaps Eagles fear to tread. The vagaries of nature coupled with the awesomeness of glaciated heights launched our aviators on to the course of helicopter pioneering, unheard of in the annals of aviation anywhere in the world. The daredevil pilots were put to the ultimate test professionally and also in terms of human endurance. The Army Aviation Corps operated its helicopters carrying men and material in the highest battlefield of the world, culminating in the conquest of the entire 72 km of the Siachen Glacier. Innumerable skirmishes and confrontations are taking place in the ongoing operations in the Siachen Glacier and the Army Aviation Corps is providing the required support for sustenance of our troops. The Sri Lanka operations saw full-fledged jungle warfare application of the army's aviation resources in extremely hostile conditions. The Corps won laurels for its daring performance in the face of all odds. The Corps has also been operating in the jungle, mountain and riverine terrains of India since long.

A unit of the Army Aviation Corps had the unique distinction of operating in Somalia, as part of UNOSOM-II (United Nations Operation in Somalia-II), from October 1993 to November 1994. During these operations, the flight flew over 2000 hours without any accident and maintained 100% serviceability in an environment akin to our desert terrain. Army aviators have also been operating in the desert areas since long. In fact, some of the Army's biggest battles and peacetime exercises have been carried out in the deserts and areas contiguous to the plains of Punjab. The Army Aviation Corps has participated in all wars since Independence. Recently, the Corps has an exposure of participating in a war-like scenario in Operation Vijay - 1999 Kargil Conflict. The present Army Aviation Corps has come a long way from directing artillery fire. It has now graduated to perform multifaceted tasks in battlefield and will soon emerge as the primary battle-winning factor in the future wars. This new arm has much to contribute to the prowess of the Indian Army. The Army Aviation Corps is training itself for the challenges to be confronted in the 21st century.


Bharat Rakshak :: Land Forces Site - Force Multiplier




Some Of My Ideas Regarding Improvement In Indian Army Air Aviation..

Rotatory UAVs with Hi-res camera can take place of manned Helos in directing arty fire..

Having Armed Gunships with Armed Turbo Props like PC-7 ( IAF basic Trainer ) be very useful in Precision strike using LBGs and destroying tanks with Anti-tank Missle such as Helina....

 

[SATISH]

Well I thought the CAT wit the K 9 Kaveri will be a great addition for CAS and deep strike for IA.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Well I thought the CAT wit the K 9 Kaveri will be a great addition for CAS and deep strike for IA.

The Realistic option for CAS in Army to have a low cost, low maintenance and Low operational cost, highly durable Aircraft..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Armed Turbo Props like PC-7 ( IAF basic Trainer ) be very useful in Precision strike using LBGs and destroying tanks with Anti-tank Missle such as Helina....

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

indian army do need dedicated attack and transport helicopters but i think the plan to introduce fixed wing transport and other aircrafts for cas is to keep iaf out of the loop.any future military planning should be joint.tommorow if the iaf says that it will buy light tanks,artillery and form infantry battalion for close ground support then imagine what would the position of army would be.it is really a pity that we do not have integration among branches of our military. while china is surging way ahead with its military modernization our armed forces are still caught behind in corruption,turf wars,bureaucratic red tape,slow induction,lack of spares,lack of communication etc.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

indian army do need dedicated attack and transport helicopters but i think the plan to introduce fixed wing transport and other aircrafts for cas is to keep iaf out of the loop.any future military planning should be joint.tommorow if the iaf says that it will buy light tanks,artillery and form infantry battalion for close ground support then imagine what would the position of army would be..

The topic been discussed through out the thread again and again to death !

And IAF do thinking to create its own ground force consist of Armored vehicles etc, It already have a SF branch..

And Army is happy if something happens..