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Re: Rebirth of Catapult artillery system with Arjun Chassis

Some Information about this Gun and its History

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India received 45cal barrel technology from Israeli when we upgraded some of 130mm M46 Field Gun to 155MM 45Cal field Gun which were unsuccessful, Latter OFB produced its own version of Israeli barrel in house, MK-1 and MK-2 kit were both unsuccessful later Modified ofb Kit was used to upgrade successfully on 130mm M46 field gun and hence turning them into 155mm / 45cal, Tot documents gives only knowledge of 39cal and the rest of the system, In OFB 45 cal gun the tot was helpful in making the rest of the system except the barrel..





The same 45cal barrel used on M46 will be on New OFB 45cal gun ..

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At present OFB is upgrading 130mm guns to 155mm of 45cal, At the same time same with Older FH-77 to 45cal ( Same OFB barrel )..

Add to above there will be +100 OFB designed 155mm of 45cal Guns will be available, These Guns will be more advance then M46 upgrades as they come with there own FCS and other electronics, Above that they will have higher rate of fire same as FH-77..



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Indian produce all kind of 155mm ammunition..


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So what we have >

1. We have a good 155mm 45cal gun..
2. We Produce 155mm ammo in house..
3. We also have both tracked and Wheel in house..

What we need is Government & Army to look into Possibilities..
Sir since you have sources , may I ask,

1. Are all m46 being upgraded by ofb because tals were for 300 nos vis a vis private company.

2. ARE BOFORS BEING UPGRADED INCLUDING DEFUNCT ONES TO 45 CAL BY OFB?

3. will we see m777 deal this fiscal year.

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Re: Rebirth of Catapult artillery system with Arjun Chassis

1. Not all M46 are upgraded, But will be by both OFB and Pvt..

2. Yes, existing FH-77 of 39cal will get upgrade to 45cal by OFB..

3. Cannot say, But 90% chances will be..

Sir since you have sources , may I ask,

1. Are all m46 being upgraded by ofb because tals were for 300 nos vis a vis private company.

2. ARE BOFORS BEING UPGRADED INCLUDING DEFUNCT ONES TO 45 CAL BY OFB?

3. will we see m777 deal this fiscal year.

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1. Not all M46 are upgraded, But will be by both OFB and Pvt..

2. Yes, existing FH-77 of 39cal will get upgrade to 45cal by OFB..

3. Cannot say, But 90% chances will be..
Sir are these bofors already under upgrade?
 

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Cannot comment as they are projected under upgrade but not shown in Public yet of an operational OFB FH-77 of 45cal..



Prototype OFB 45cal MK1 barrel on FH-77
Sir are these bofors already under upgrade?
 

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=Kunal Biswas;758657]Cannot comment as they are projected under upgrade but not shown in Public yet of an operational OFB FH-77 of 45cal..


Bofors being overhauled

maybe 45 cal





^ guns maybe upgraded, they look newish - not green paint.

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Re: Rebirth of Catapult artillery system with Arjun Chassis

Yes, they are being overhauled..

By cannibalizing other FH-77 for spare and parts..

lets hope ford best. although i think defunct ones are overhauled?
 

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ww.janes.com/article/12738/india-kicks-off-fifth-trial-of-155-mm-towed-guns
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India kicks off fifth trial of 155 mm towed guns

May 2013

The Indian Army began field trials in mid-May of two rival howitzers that are hoping to fulfil its long-standing requirement for 1,580 155 mm/52 calibre towed guns.

Nexter Systems' Trajan 155mm/52 calibre gun, which has been modified for the Indian tender, and Soltam Systems' ATHOS 2052 platform are undergoing 8-10 weeks of trials this summer in the Rajasthan desert, an army source said. Under the terms of the contract, 400 guns will be handed over ready to use and 1,180 will be built locally.

The ATHOS trials are being led by Elbit Systems, which purchased Soltam from the Mikal Group in October 2010.
 

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India's $4 bn howitzer gun buying spree

India has begun the process of acquiring howitzer guns of various types. The contracts would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars each and their combined value is likely to be well over a billion dollars.

India has set aside $4 billion for its artillery projects, neglected for decades largely due to political controversies and corruption scandals. The development is significant for two reasons.

One, the Indian Army has not purchased a single gun since the infamous Bofors deal 27 years ago, a deal that rocked the Indian political establishment and implicated then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and other senior Indian officials. Eventually though none of the charges could be proved.

Two, the gun deals may be going through despite the fact that India, due to have general elections in less than ten months, seems to have put an unannounced freeze on any defence deals, particularly with foreign companies.

Russia will have have an important role to play in at least one of the upcoming howitzer contracts, expected to be worth around $350 million. Russian Rosoboronexport seems ideally suited for supplying 100 self-propelled tracked howitzer guns to the Indian Army and the trials are slated to begin later this month itself.

Rosoboronexport is likely to be pitted against an unlikely rival: Larsen&Toubro, an Indian company. L&T has been issued industrial licenses for a wide range of products after Government of India's decision to open up defence production to the private sector. The licenses issued cover design, development, construction/ manufacturing and assembly of a wide range of defence equipment, arms and armaments and weapon launchers.

Insiders say that L&T is expected to give the Russian company very stiff competition. The L&T howitzers have been built in collaboration with South Korean Samsung Techwin, which means that the Russian companies' rivals in the Indian defence industry are increasing by the day.

The South Korean company has already signed a contract with L&T for making key technologies available to the Indian company and producing the guns here.

This sends out another important message to the Russian defence industry that has not done too well in the Indian defence sector lately, and the Russians have lost out to American, European and even Israeli companies on several big-ticket defence deals.

The message is this: the Russians need to develop Indian partners, the more the better, as recent policy guidelines from the Indian defence ministry have laid huge stress on the 'buy Indian' theme.

Indian Defence Minister AK Antony's statement in Parliament on 6 May should leave no one in doubt on this score.

This is what he said while confirming the upcoming contract for 100 guns: "A case for procurement of Qty.100 x 155mm/52 Caliber Tracked (self-propelled) guns is in progress wherein three Indian vendors, including two private sector companies, have been selected for trials of their equipment. The recent amendments to the DPP-2011 which have been accepted by the Defence Acquisition Council aim to give higher preference to indigenous capacity in the Defence Sector."

The recent Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) guidelines have made it clear that the Indian government will choose to import defence goods only as a last resort and in cases where the required technologies are not available within the country. However, these guidelines have left enough room for foreign companies to forge joint ventures with Indian companies.

The Indian Army modernisation programme is quite ambitious. It has plans to induct 2,814 guns of different types, capabilities and calibre. Assuming for argument sake that the Indian Army was to induct all these guns, from foreign as well as domestic sources, at one go, it would cost around ten billion dollars at current exchange rates.

However, the actual process will take years. The current contract of 100 guns itself is unlikely to be inked this year as the trial phase itself would spill over to the first quarter of next year. The guns will be undergoing winter trials this year-end.

Moreover, given the renewed focus on self-reliance and indigenisation, the Indian Army has asked the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board to deliver over 300 indigenous versions of Bofors guns.

The Indian Army's current guns stock is believed to have touched an all time low of just about 200 operations guns of 155/39 caliber, one of the reasons behind the then Army Chief General VK Singh shooting off a no-holds-barred letter to Prime MinisterManmohan Singh about the dire state of Indian military preparedness last year.

There is yet another message for the Russians that booms out loud and clear from the Indian guns saga. The Russians need to translate their deep political clout with the Government of India into bagging big Indian defence contracts through the government-to-government route.

In May last year, the Indian defence ministry had cleared a $660 million deal for buying 145 ultra-light M777 guns from the United States. The move was duly cleared by the Defence Acquisition Council headed by the defence minister. A significant feature of the M777 deal is that the guns are being bought under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme of the US government, a government-to-government route.

The Russians are not unaware of this. In fact, the new Russian strategy vis a vis Indian defence industry will be very much visible in the upcoming top-level Indo-Russian bilateral exchanges from September onwards.

India's $4 bn howitzer gun buying spree: Why Russia may not have an edge | idrw.org
 

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@sayareakd Sir, It seems we may end up seeing 2S19M1 MSTA-S 155mm on Arjun Chassis..

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Government nicely arranged the competition between MSTA and K9, Knowing the fact Army will go after MSTA as its turret can be placed over Arjun / T-72 which will reduce logistics of chassis..

If MSTA would have compete against ARZU of Slovakian would lose by all hands..



Russian Rosoboronexport seems ideally suited for supplying 100 self-propelled tracked howitzer guns to the Indian Army and the trials are slated to begin later this month itself.
 
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sir may the best gun wins. I am all in for L&T K-9 on arjun tank. More of arjun tanks chassis is used, more we will go for local engine and transmission.
T72 we can use it for other purposes like Akash, unmanned tank and other things, like multi barrel rocket launchers.
 

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Details On TATA gun >>







VLAP range with 155mm-52cal-23liter gun is 58kms not 55km..

TATA gun is 23liter Chamber size so it wont archive 71km range but 58km..
They are concentrating on the JBMoU L52 23 Liter chamber variants only and only those will be produced and offered for export now. The 25 liter chamber variant G6-52L wasn't compatible with NATO rounds.
 

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we should go for who so ever is giving us complete TOT, we need guns on tank chassis, Guns on wheel, Guns which can be towed and Guns which are light enough to be heli lifted fast into mountains. So we need all of them and we need them fast. Who so ever giving us TOT we should for it.

K-9 gun from South Korea has already been given to Turkey in full TOT, we should also go with it. Pak may get few of those guns or at least get good look at them through Turkey, but we need those guys in real good numbers. With all the latest tech like auto loading, MRSI, etc.
 

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India develops propellants for Bofors

India will add indigenised firepower to the 155 mm Bofors guns on 15 August amidst the perceived threat from China in the Ladakh region. "A decade-long effort to develop bio-modular charges (propellants) within India has reached a conclusive stage. The first lot of propellants will be ready for trial by the Indian Army on 15 August," sources told this newspaper on the condition of anonymity.

The process of manufacturing new propellants appears to have been quickened as China is posing a threat on the mountainous Ladakh belt. The Bofors gun had demonstrated its utility during the Kargil conflict with Pakistan. In fact, experts said that the Bofors guns won the Kargil conflict for India. If the trial of the propellants proves to be successful, it will end the uncertainty over the acquisition of these charges. The development will save at least Rs 1,000 cr. The propellants will be available for all sorts of guns irrespective of their range. The propellants manufactured by Bofors got nearly exhausted after the Kargil conflict. However, the propellants provided by Bofors could only fire the shell to a fixed distance of 25 km. The new propellants provide the option of adjusting the distance based on the position of the target. India acquired new propellants after the Kargil conflict from Somchem in South Africa. The company had agreed to transfer the technology but got blacklisted before the transfer took place.

The propellants, under the Somchem licence, were to be made at Nalanda plant. However, for 10 years, the development of the propellants could not be carried out. The new indigenised propellants are based on the technology that Somchem provided to India. The tests include the firing of a shell through the propellant to see if it will fire automatically in the wake of stray shells hitting it. If the shell explodes, it may lead to casualties. Sources said that the propellants' development trials at Balasore in Orissa were flawless. If the Army is satisfied, Indian ordinance factories will have to manufacture the propellants on an urgent basis in a huge quantity. Unlike the earlier propellant, the new one will not leave any shell trace behind. It is also believed that the propellant will add quality to the American Howitzers India has acquired. The American guns are likely to reach India within a couple of months.

The technology was tried by the European forces in Afghanistan and they were satisfied with the propellants. Warheads are already being manufactured at Chandrapur in Maharashtra. A team of experts is assessing the testing facilities at the Chandigarh-based Terminal Ballast Research Laboratory (TBRL) before the propellant is ready for user trials. TBRL is a Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) laboratory.
 

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