Indian Army Artillery

[Raj Malhotra]

Not to forget Army is ok with 50 ton K9 in High altitude mountains but ATAGS is too heavy

 

[another_armchair]

ATAGS can fire zone 7 charge(s).

The barrel burst happened as the OFB ammo was built to withstand only zone 6 charges and it exploded inside the barrel.

Both Bharat Forge and Tata guns fired 1000 rounds with zone 7 charge(s) without any incident.

Artillery barrel hit: Concerns over charge in ammo | Nagpur News - Times of India

The 155x52 mm advanced towed artillery gun system (ATAGS), claimed to have the world’s longest range of 48km, suffered a barrel burst during trials la

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

This charade of weight, this, that, lavda-lassan has been running in the media for over 3 years after Elbit Athos emerged as L1 in the IA arty trials where it pipped the Nexter Trajan during commercial bidding.

Joo brothers pushing their feet hard to push this order through and we see more articles in 'self funded' media outlets and the usual suspects in MSM who are into shilling for phoren maal in paid-for articles.

 

[jai jaganath]

Not to forget Army is ok with 50 ton K9 in High altitude mountains but ATAGS is too heavy

It's just a farce
Adani renamed Athos is on its way to service after 5 years
Basically atags dead with 307
Dalali zindabad
Now we have to wait for congis to come and further disrupt the indigenization

 

[another_armchair]

It's just a farce
Adani renamed Athos is on its way to service after 5 years
Basically atags dead with 307
Dalali zindabad
Now we have to wait for congis to come and further disrupt the indigenization

ATAGS and Dhanush would not have been possible without Antony uncle from Congress.

During the last contest, the FH77B emerged as the winner and Congress top brass started shitting bricks and abandoned the procurement. We could've doubled it up with the Archer and had a great deal of commonality along with a MGS that was super nimble.

But no... kismat had other plans I guess.

If you recollect, attempts were made to scuttle the M-777 deal too with some wild allegations by some anonymous letter(s) by Army brass.

 

[jai jaganath]

ATAGS and Dhanush would not have been possible without Antony uncle from Congress.

I disagree on this
Coz atags development was initiated by army and drdo in 2012 but that doesn't mean congis being supportive infact the L1 winner was announced in 2019 in favour of athos but the present govt restricted it
Infact many reports suggested MP was pushing atags due to which minimal orders were planned by army as usual
But post 2019 govt was hell bent on atags
Coming to Dhanush I nothing rather again a dead project with the leagues of Arjun
Look at the minimal orders of 114 and with that they expect superfast delivery and even further delayed due to Chinese parts
And it's basically dead with no future except mgs
Coming Antony uncle that guy was utter useless and we all know the way dalals used to roam during his time
Even chidambram was better than that bag

 

[Kumaoni]

Less strength than the Pakistani army with 6-8x the budget

https://x.com/someplaosint/status/1706322414395601189?s=46&t=8QPJecNQmmoeL0BRyMQdjg

A ‘nationalist’ govt with a super majority for almost 10 years, a specific self reliance target and this is the result? The Chinese are so lucky their largest regional foes are Indians and not Japanese

Current lot of army officers is an utter disgrace

Even in 1999 they had more brains that they had now

 

[another_armchair]

I disagree on this
Coz atags development was initiated by army and drdo in 2012 but that doesn't mean congis being supportive infact the L1 winner was announced in 2019 in favour of athos but the present govt restricted it
Infact many reports suggested MP was pushing atags due to which minimal orders were planned by army as usual
But post 2019 govt was hell bent on atags
Coming to Dhanush I nothing rather again a dead project with the leagues of Arjun
Look at the minimal orders of 114 and with that they expect superfast delivery and even further delayed due to Chinese parts
And it's basically dead with no future except mgs
Coming Antony uncle that guy was utter useless and we all know the way dalals used to roam during his time
Even chidambram was better than that bag

Regardless of what Antony was, both Dhanush and ATAGS happened under his watch. Everything else is smoke onlee.

Dhanush happened after FH77B was rejected as it put the UPA Govt. in a tough spot because of the past ghosts of bofors scam. Then the entire gun design magically appeared out of some cupboard. Turns out we had paid for the ToT and had the designs but it was buried under all the noise.

 

[Kumaoni]

Less strength than the Pakistani army with 6-8x the budget

https://x.com/someplaosint/status/1706322414395601189?s=46&t=8QPJecNQmmoeL0BRyMQdjg

A ‘nationalist’ govt with a super majority for almost 10 years, a specific self reliance target and this is the result? The Chinese are so lucky their largest regional foes are Indians and not Japanese

It’s funny. Under a so called “anti natshunilist” govt. the indian military went through a huge equipmental and tactical reform from 1962-1971. A force wielding Lee enfields and having inadequate mountain gears became a war machine with SLRs, latest tanks, tactics, gear everything in less than 10 years.

The current army officers lot couldn’t be any more disgraceful. I’d rather use the army of 1971 or even the army of the Kargil war to deliver me results than the current one of today

 

[jai jaganath]

Regardless of what Antony was, both Dhanush and ATAGS happened under his watch. Everything else is smoke onlee.

Yes sir even Chinese parts were used in Dhanush during his tenure
Yes many will say why would DM have involvement in few Chinese pieces in a gun
Yeah that's right those ofb walas need no introduction but the execution was under him
If we see initiation of projects then many things happened under congis but it afterall comes to execution
See I am nowhere denying congis role in few indigenous projects but many of them were lying useless due to them and military has a bigger role but even they aren't noble and much more lobby oriented
That's why I say chidambram was better in UPA times

 

[another_armchair]

Yes sir even Chinese parts were used in Dhanush during his tenure
Yes many will say why would DM have involvement in few Chinese pieces in a gun
Yeah that's right those ofb walas need no introduction but the execution was under him
If we see initiation of projects then many things happened under congis but it afterall comes to execution
See I am nowhere denying congis role in few indigenous projects but many of them were lying useless due to them and military has a bigger role but even they aren't noble and much more lobby oriented
That's why I say chidambram was better in UPA times

Chidiya was a super crook as FM.

He was proactive as HM and I have a wee bit of respect for the man because he raised CRPF COBRA to deal with the naxal menace but it was possible only after Communists walked out of the UPA.

As for Chinese parts, they are an inalienable part of the global supply chain. The explanation given then was OFB or the supplier ordered Chinese bearings because they were 'cheaper'. Yes, that L1 disease has permeated everywhere.

 

[jai jaganath]

Chidiya was a super crook as FM.

He was proactive as HM and I have a wee bit of respect for the man because he raised CRPF COBRA to deal with the naxal menace but it was possible only after Communists walked out of the UPA.

Anyway better than Antony
He and his wife were involved in many small scale corruptions wrt procurements
He was super lethargic in terms of implementation and never tried to guide the military
Anyway personal opinion

 

[abingdonboy]

ATAGS can fire zone 7 charge(s).

The barrel burst happened as the OFB ammo was built to withstand only zone 6 charges and it exploded inside the barrel.

Both Bharat Forge and Tata guns fired 1000 rounds with zone 7 charge(s) without any incident.

Artillery barrel hit: Concerns over charge in ammo | Nagpur News - Times of India

The 155x52 mm advanced towed artillery gun system (ATAGS), claimed to have the world’s longest range of 48km, suffered a barrel burst during trials la

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

This charade of weight, this, that, lavda-lassan has been running in the media for over 3 years after Elbit Athos emerged as L1 in the IA arty trials where it pipped the Nexter Trajan during commercial bidding.

Joo brothers pushing their feet hard to push this order through and we see more articles in 'self funded' media outlets and the usual suspects in MSM who are into shilling for phoren maal in paid-for articles.

Waste of time trying to produce something better than what the GSQR demanded, they tried and this is the cr@p the army pushed back with.

it takes a sick mind to turn a strength into a weakness but that’s Exactly what they did with ATAGS

Give them whatever brochure photocopied specs they demand to save the Indian taxpayer this entire circus and FOREX drain

it has been obvious from day 1 ATAGS was looked down upon by Army HQ, they’ve made every attempt to screw with it and look where we are now

biggest disappointment is this happened All under Modi’s nose. Either he’s not interested in talking these lobbies or he doesn’t have the ability, either way it’s a sick reflection on the system. No wonder LCA, IMRH, LUH, LCH etc are MIA and this army has to import clothing and small arms

 

[Blademaster]

AK Anthony was the most useless DM we ever had. All he ever wanted was for everyone to hold his dick while he shouted He would be a clean and transparent minister. He didn't even care if it affected the military readiness adversely.

 

[Love Charger]

Waste of time trying to produce something better than what the GSQR demanded, they tried and this is the cr@p the army pushed back with.

it takes a sick mind to turn a strength into a weakness but that’s Exactly what they did with ATAGS

Give them whatever brochure photocopied specs they demand to save the Indian taxpayer this entire circus and FOREX drain

it has been obvious from day 1 ATAGS was looked down upon by Army HQ, they’ve made every attempt to screw with it and look where we are now

biggest disappointment is this happened All under Modi’s nose. Either he’s not interested in talking these lobbies or he doesn’t have the ability, either way it’s a sick reflection on the system. No wonder LCA, IMRH, LUH, LCH etc are MIA and this army has to import clothing and small arms

Who will develop make athos here ?
It's all about " you scratch my back , I will scratch yours " afterall .
I don't need to say anything .

 

[jai jaganath]

Waste of time trying to produce something better than what the GSQR demanded, they tried and this is the cr@p the army pushed back with.

it takes a sick mind to turn a strength into a weakness but that’s Exactly what they did with ATAGS

Give them whatever brochure photocopied specs they demand to save the Indian taxpayer this entire circus and FOREX drain

it has been obvious from day 1 ATAGS was looked down upon by Army HQ, they’ve made every attempt to screw with it and look where we are now

biggest disappointment is this happened All under Modi’s nose. Either he’s not interested in talking these lobbies or he doesn’t have the ability, either way it’s a sick reflection on the system. No wonder LCA, IMRH, LUH, LCH etc are MIA and this army has to import clothing and small arms

Gonna give it to Israelis and lobbyists
They didn't give up everytime GoI showed middle finger
Just look at their persistent effort
They strategically choosed Adani for the purpose and to checkmate the current govt
Earlier Athos was planned with BF

 

[Blademaster]

At this point I simply do not give a fuck anymore. I just want the IA to have the guns whether it be ATHOS or ATAGS so we can outgun China in any battle. Losing any more territory is worse than being an import maal nation.

 

[abingdonboy]

At this point I simply do not give a fuck anymore. I just want the IA to have the guns whether it be ATHOS or ATAGS so we can outgun China in any battle. Losing any more territory is worse than being an import maal nation.

Sorry but that’s loser mentality and also not even achieving the objective you want.

how does one compete against a military industrial complex such as China’s? By importing your weapons and relying on global supply during wartime? How did that work out for Ukraine? Think the West will step up for india like they are for Ukraine? And China is >>>> Russia militarily and industrially

 

[Longewala]

It does sound depressing, but it ain't over until it's over.
The artillery situation currently is similar to that for LCH or Tejas a few years back. It was an uphill battle for them, and will be for desi artillery.
But the Chandigarh lobby dalals would have favoured killing off these guns completely and going phoren even at this stage.
So, it's still a defeat for them. Aagein dekhte hain.

 

[Blademaster]

Sorry but that’s loser mentality and also not even achieving the objective you want.

how does one compete against a military industrial complex such as China’s? By importing your weapons and relying on global supply during wartime? How did that work out for Ukraine? Think the West will step up for india like they are for Ukraine? And China is >>>> Russia militarily and industrially

As long as we build up the reserves and retain production rights it makes no difference to me. Paying through the nose is still better than losing territory.

 

[Kumaoni]

Sorry but that’s loser mentality and also not even achieving the objective you want.

how does one compete against a military industrial complex such as China’s? By importing your weapons and relying on global supply during wartime? How did that work out for Ukraine? Think the West will step up for india like they are for Ukraine? And China is >>>> Russia militarily and industrially

India will be overrun in a single day in case of any war with the commies. It’s the brutal truth no one will accept, It ain’t 1999 anymore