Indian Army Artillery

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130mm Howitzer Up gunned to 155mm 45cal is being test-fired


Credit Jason Edwards via Youtube.com

 

[Zebra]

130mm Howitzer Up gunned to 155mm 45cal is being test-fired


Credit Jason Edwards via Youtube.com

1) Which vehicle they used in this video? Watch it again @ 0:08 / 1:09.

2) I doubt this is an Indian Army trial. Simply they don't work like this.

 

[SilentKiller]

Its not indian army....

 

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1) Which vehicle they used in this video? Watch it again @ 0:08 / 1:09.

2) I doubt this is an Indian Army trial. Simply they don't work like this.

I didn't mention Indian Army. But, as you can hear the description it's 130mm m-46 upgraded to 155mm (45 cal)

The probable description will be that private players like Bharat Forge and Punj Lloyd who were vying to get the contract for the Up gunning project are testing their prototypes somewhere in ME/ Israel desert as firing ranges in India were not made available to them. ( Firing ranges not being made available to private players in India had been widely reported)

 

[sgarg]

Can anyone put images of OEM gun of same Bharat 52 as they imported the Gun from MFL and RUAG. @Kunal Biswas

I think it is a smart strategy to buy the technology (design and machines) of an existing proven product. A new product is very difficult to prove to a cautious customer like Indian army.

Here Bharat Forge is offering a gun that works, and can be mounted on a non-powered as well as powered carriage.

The army should buy the gun if it works. Army's focus should be on acquiring these guns to fill its requirement. This one and the one that OFB is making now (Bofors clone) can fill the 155mm gap.

 

[sgarg]

Even if army does not have enough self-propelled guns, the towed ones can still defend the border.

If India is serious about Chinese border, then it has to deal with Chinese tactics of storming a wide area through multiple spearheads. Chinese always use numbers to their advantage. This can only be neutralized through artillery barrages. As India's border with China is not conducive to quick movement of forces, India needs thousands of pieces of such guns to provide effective combat potential.

 

[SilentKiller]

I seriously think 105mm mounted less recoil version is best gun presented by Bharat Forge.
Indian army should get it, it will be best support gun for Airborne troops and troops on move at leh.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Majority of the area along China border are Mountain terrain exception can be Ladakh areas, PLA in majority out range by Indian Guns that is Indian 105mm field guns, These are compact and can be dissemble and carried by mules and light helicopter under Army aviation ..

The larger 155mm are meant to cover only few places, What is needed is to upgrade 105mm guns with latest electronics and ammunition and introduce Self propelled Wheeled 105mm and MRLS into the scene, One should also upgrade the Rail and road infrastructure there ..

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MOBAT, developed as a private venture by RDM Technology, consists of a (4x4) cross-country truck chassis on the rear of which is mounted a flatbed fitted with a new saddle and elevating mechanism with a 33 calibre version of the upgraded 105 mm M101 towed system previously described.

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Design of the Valkiri was influenced by the Soviet BM-21 Grad. This multiple launch rocket system is based on the SAMIL 20 light utility truck chassis. One interesting feature is that it could be easily disguised as a small canvas covered truck.

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We must design hardware which are dedicated for Mountain artillery ..

If India is serious about Chinese border, then it has to deal with Chinese tactics of storming a wide area through multiple spearheads. Chinese always use numbers to their advantage. This can only be neutralized through artillery barrages. As India's border with China is not conducive to quick movement of forces, India needs thousands of pieces of such guns to provide effective combat potential.

 

[Shaitan]

 

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Indian Army hands over first M-346 guns for upgrade contest

The Indian Army on 10 September approved the release of four Soviet-era M-46 130 mm field guns to four local contractors that will upgrade them to 155 mm/45 calibre standard.

Industry sources told IHS Jane's that the guns would be handed over to Bharat Forge, Punj Lloyd and Tata from the private sector and the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) sometime in October.

The four companies, which will be allowed to form overseas tie-ups for the upgrade, will have 12 months to complete the retrofit before offering the guns for trials. Thereafter, one gun will be shortlisted and its vendor awarded a tender to upgrade 300 M-46s.

The OFB and Israel's Soltam upgraded 180 M-46s to 155 mm/45 calibre under a USD45,524,137 contract awarded in 2001; they equip 10 artillery regiments.

The M-46 upgrade is a delayed response to the army's 1999 Field Artillery Rationalisation Plan, which aims by 2027 to acquire 2,800-3,000 155 mm/52-calibre towed, wheeled, tracked and mounted guns and 155 mm/39-calibre lightweight howitzers.

India's last major artillery acquisition was the 1987 purchase of 410 Bofors FH-77B 155 mm/39-calibre towed howitzers from Sweden. The army currently has around 200 guns in service following cannibalisation due to a shortage of spares.

The army is planning to buy 144 OFB-built 155/45 cal FH-77Bs, prototypes of which are in their final round of trials.

Indian Army hands over first M-346 guns for upgrade contest - IHS Jane's 360

 

[The Fox]

Good Move DAC/IA

 

[sgarg]

Anyway something is moving on this long stalled artillery front.

So we have confirmed orders for 144 towed OFB FH-77B
40 confirmed orders for self propelled Metamorphosis gun
A competition to upgrade 300 M-46.

 

[bengalraider]

The Indian army along with drdo should really look at reviving the bhim spg project, now that denel has been removed from the blacklist, we can easily revive the old approved design and build further on it. Also it'll keep the Arjun plants running and the new Tata Denel partnership should make building the gun in India much easier. I think the best way to resolve india's artillery woes would be splitting the towed Howitzer deal between kalyani and OFB while taking the truck and track mounted guns from the Tata Denel DRDO team.

 

[bengalraider]

Some images of the Tata truck mounted 155/52 gun and the mighty 155/52bhim.
Back in the days before denel was banned we used to compare the bhim with the pzh2000.
Just read that denel now has an extended range version with a 25 liter chamber that fires a M9703A1 V-LAP round upto 73 km

 

[sgarg]

The Tata-Denel are beautiful guns. Only if Army takes action to induct these. We can only hope.

The truck needs tire pressurization system, so that the truck is not immobilized by bullet hole in the tire.

The tracked version will be more useful in Indian situation.

 

[AshutoshNSingh]

Is it only me who hates this Catapult combination? On one hand M46s are being transformed into 155mm & on the other the old 130mm guns are being mounted on Arjun chassis. What is this? Better mount Dhanush or anything like that.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Dhanush ..

View from the right

Crane operator station

The gunner station

View from the rear

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Ammunition ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Local Firepower ..

OFB M46 Upgrade

Catapult

Pinaka

 

[sgarg]

The 130mm on tracked chassis is fine for plains for fire support to armoured columns. This with MLRS can do the job of blunting a counter offensive.

I think these 40 are add-on to 80 or 100 already with Indian Army.

I would prefer brand new towed howitzers to be bought rather than upgrading M-46. M-46 is still a good gun for plains.

 

[sgarg]

The howitzers orders have not come as IA is still stonewalling and dragging foot over giving orders to Indian companies.