Indian Army Artillery

[FulcrumD]

Re: Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

Which one is this ?

OFB 105mm IFG.

 

[hitesh]

Re: Arjun Catapult artillery system

Some times i wonder why they are not going for MLRS on tank chassis ,that would be a part of assault formation with MBT column and deliver a salvo of rockets on the defence line of enemy . https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?

q=tbn:ANd9GcROvI0oy1W2owFqM02lbx1xRTXn4VxyzyxLdjdnfJuIkqNECGm_BIF5WOZ2

 

[hitesh]

Re: Arjun Catapult artillery system

Some times i wonder why they are not going for MLRS on tank chassis ,that would be a part of assault formation with MBT column and deliver a salvo of rockets on the defence line of enemy . https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?

q=tbn:ANd9GcROvI0oy1W2owFqM02lbx1xRTXn4VxyzyxLdjdnfJuIkqNECGm_BIF5WOZ2

 

[arnabmit]

Re: Arjun Catapult artillery system

Some times i wonder why they are not going for MLRS on tank chassis ,that would be a part of assault formation with MBT column and deliver a salvo of rockets on the defence line of enemy . https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?

q=tbn:ANd9GcROvI0oy1W2owFqM02lbx1xRTXn4VxyzyxLdjdnfJuIkqNECGm_BIF5WOZ2

Discussion here...

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/strategic-forces/23201-prahaar-short-range-tactical-missile-system-42.html#post783912

 

[wild goose]

Despite Delay, Indian Buy of Howitzers Remains on Track


NEW DELHI — The Indian government has announced that the purchase of 145 ultra light howitzer artillery guns from the US is not being withheld, despite a three-year delay since clearance was granted to buy the guns from the US subsidiary of BAE Systems.

Anonymous complaints to the Defence Ministry regarding the process have delayed finalizing the contract, officials said.

In August, Indian Defence Minister A.K. Antony told the Indian Parliament, "Various anonymous complaints regarding alleged irregularities in the procurement of ultra light howitzer guns have been received. The main issues raised in these complaints relate to technical parameters, cost effectiveness and economic viability of the gun."

Defence Ministry sources said a Technical Oversight Committee set up by the MoD has since cleared the procurement.

In a written reply to Parliament Dec. 9, Antony said, "The Government has not held up the purchase of 145 Ultra Light Howitzer artillery guns from the United States. The Government is proposing the procurement of 145 Ultra Unit Howitzers through the Foreign Military sale route as per Defence Procurement Procedure."

Delay in finalizing the buy has led to nearly a doubling of the price in the last three years because of inflation and the falling value of the Indian rupee against the US dollar.

The estimated cost of the 145 guns in 2010 was around 29.6 billion rupees. However, in the Pentagon's Aug. 7 letter giving notification of the sale, the price of the guns is quoted at more than $885 million, or about 58 billion rupees.

The deal was awarded to BAE Systems after the tender was earlier canceled when Singapore Technologies was blacklisted in 2009.

Ministry of Defence sources said the contract will be signed in the financial year ending March 31.

Despite Delay, Indian Buy of Howitzers Remains on Track | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[Dinesh_Kumar]

Dear Wild Goose, while I remian optimistic, I hope this is not another Wild Goose Chase!

Despite Delay, Indian Buy of Howitzers Remains on Track

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Who cares, Let get our own Indian made guns on the road ..

There are two prototypes one is 45cal another is 39cal ..

The 39cal is design as lighter for mountains ..

 

[The Fox]

well the 45 caliber has better range than the 39 caliber I would prefer to have 45 caliber for the Mountains and the 52 caliber for the plains and for Pakis......

Who cares, Let get our own Indian made guns on the road ..

There are two prototypes one is 45cal another is 39cal ..

The 39cal is design as lighter for mountains ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

45cal even shorter than 52cal in length is still bigger than a 39cal ..

That is why a 39cal is for mountains ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Arjun Catapult will be In service soon ..

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[Kunal Biswas]

Dhanush the Indian Bofors Will also get Inducted soon ..

Army officials said that while the Bofors has a rate of fire of three rounds per 14 seconds, the indigenous Dh****h could fire eight rounds per minute. Dh****h, which in the trial stage, would soon be inducted, said the army officers.

Apart from that, Swathi, an upgraded weapon locating radar (WLR) and K****iz, equipment for obeservation, would also be inducted in the plethora of the new generation surveillance and target acquisition equipment, the army officers added.Both Swathi and K****iz are indigenously made. While the former is an upgraded version of the US-made WPL ANTPQ-37, the latter will be an upgraded version of the Israel-made long-range reconnaissance and observation system (LORROS).

Source : Army to get 155 mm 'dhanush' gun, advanced radar equipment soon - Times Of India

 

[Twinblade]

DRDO 155mm/52cal ATAGS specs. They are not aiming very high, it seems.

 

[Twinblade]

Artillery procurement summed up (report from march 2013)

 

[Sridhar]

METAMORPHOSIS 155 mm GUN

Indian Ordnance Factories offer a simple solution for towed 155mm gun requirement by upgradation of existing M46 130 mm gun.
Features :

Breech block No modifications on 130mm guns. Hence no requirement for troop training. Immediate deployment after upgunning
Obturation Failure of self sealing systems during combat overcome by use of stub cartridge case obturator based on the obturating system of the original 130mm gun
Conversion Lead time Minimal, since no modification of the breech block. No change in travel lock, cradle and recoil system of the 130mm gun
Ammunition All NATO standard 155mm shells and all NATO standard charge systems
Range Diagram :

Performance Parameters :

RANGE (Max) 39 km
MUZZLE VELOCITY 897 m/s
MASS OF GUN IN FIRING POSITIO 8000 kg
MASS OF GUN IN TRAVELLING POSITION 8700 kg
RECOIL MASS

3390 kg
LENGTH OF GUN IN TRAVELLING POSITION 11900 mm
LENGTH OF GUN IN FIRING POSITION 11300 mm
HEIGHT OF GUN IN TRAVELLING POSITION 2550 mm
RATE OF FIRE 4 rds /min


Ordnance Factory Board

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You should visit this thread, And read the article on it ..

They are working on some-kind of new shock absorbing system ..

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/44265-drdo-155mm-artillery-program.html

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I just hope it wont delay the program ..

DRDO 155mm/52cal ATAGS specs. They are not aiming very high, it seems.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

what is the need for 145 ulh when ofb has come up with dhanush?

 

[arnabmit]

Because Dhanush is a APU powered heavy towed unit. It cannot be slung under a helicopter and carried to mountain tops.

what is the need for 145 ulh when ofb has come up with dhanush?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Because Dhanush is a APU powered heavy towed unit. It cannot be slung under a helicopter and carried to mountain tops.

but there were reports that ofb has managed to manufacture 2 155m guns based on original bofors drawing one 39 caliber(same as ulh and lighter) and 1 heavier 45 caliber.also i do not understand this fascination with heliborne insertion of howitzer-india army never had this requirement before until 4-5 years ago.it would have been understandable if this requirement was from parachute regiment(who do operate lighter 105mm indian field gun) but this is from the mountain strike corps who in my opinion should be equipped with the dhanush(45 caliber desi bofors) until the drdo manufactured 155 mm 52 caliber gun comes into picture.

 

[arnabmit]

ULH M777, being made almost entirely of titanium, weighs 3.5 tons. The bofors 39cal weighs 12 tons. The ULH is so light that it can be even disassembled to a few parts and carried by mules in hard to reach borders.

The OFB LFG will also arm the Mountain corps. However, in rarified high altitude, 155x39 cal guns can achieve the firing range of 155x52 cal guns at sea level, which packs a much bigger punch than the 105 LFG.

IA didn't have this earlier as it didn't have the means. But now it does, and IA plans to raise air-borne divisions. It is absolutely necessary to have heliboune artillery for places which does not have road connectivity. Tell me, how will IA get the Dhanush or DRDO 155x52 to Siachen, or any icy heights above 5000m?

but there were reports that ofb has managed to manufacture 2 155m guns based on original bofors drawing one 39 caliber(same as ulh and lighter) and 1 heavier 45 caliber.also i do not understand this fascination with heliborne insertion of howitzer-india army never had this requirement before until 4-5 years ago.it would have been understandable if this requirement was from parachute regiment(who do operate lighter 105mm indian field gun) but this is from the mountain strike corps who in my opinion should be equipped with the dhanush(45 caliber desi bofors) until the drdo manufactured 155 mm 52 caliber gun comes into picture.

 

[Blood+]

@Kunal bhai,I've a few questions to ask.

1.Has the Metamorphosis M 46 project been restarted yet or the same story as usual??And how many M 46 units will be upgunned to 155mm L45 standard??

2.According to their manufacturer's websites,the OFB FH 77B L45 has maximum range of 39-40 km with ERFB BB ammo and MKEK Panter L 52 has 41 km with ERFB BB-I want to ask to you why both systems have nearly identical range with same type ammo despite of the Panter having a longer barrel??Any idea??

THANKS in advance........