Indian Army Artillery

[Ray]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

Around 100 such guns have been ordered by the Army and are based more or less on the existing Bofors design for which the OFB holds the Transfer of Technology (ToT) licence from the Bofors.

So, not really an indigenous product.

 

[sob]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

But at least part of the money spent 25 years back is being utilised. OFB was sitting on the drawings all the while.

 

[Bhadra]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

IA Artillery will be saddled with Bofors (39 Cal), M777 and this OFB product (45 Cal) and what DRDO is promisisng (52 Cal).

So Bofors (39) Cal 410 now remaining about 18 Regiments or may be 16 only or less.
155mm (45 Cal) 145 US 08 regiments and 100 OFB makes it to four or five regiments = 08+4 regiments
So for mountains we can count on (16 + 08 + 4 = 28 Regiments which is barely good enough for eleven divisions and three corps arty brigades of Eastern Command = 42 regiments)
So northern command is left out !!
Take requirements of Eastern command as two regiments per artillary Brigade. That makes it to 28 Regiments.
Northern command = six divisions = 12 regiments
Total 40 regiments.

So in 45 cal we are still short of 12 ( 240 tubes) Regiments if we we go by 2 regiment per brigade of 155 mm.

Plains of the other three commands should have 52 cal. How is that thousand guns only DODOs know ?

OFB and DODOs need to hurry up or Generals will import what they call as foreign mal.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Only displayed to scare the enemy ?? Or does it fire ??

Posting back, These are posted many times here already..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

Around 100 such guns have been ordered by the Army and are based more or less on the existing Bofors design for which the OFB holds the Transfer of Technology (ToT) licence from the Bofors.

So, not really an indigenous product.

It was a simple, this could have been done very early than..

The 45cal barrel is Indigenous, Though the deign of it from IMI..



This barrel is same one used by Updated M46 guns by OFB, OFB is now updating M46 as well as making new 45cal guns based on FH-77...

 

[Bhadra]

Do not scare us with photos kunal.
Where is the Mal on ground.

Give it to me today and I will take it....... so says IA.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100 | idrw.org

The New Gun looks like this..

IA finally got 155mm guns for Home after 30 years of Failed RFIs..

 

[Bhadra]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

The New Gun looks like this..

IA finally got 155mm guns for Home after 30 years of Failed RFIs..

No one can be much happier than soldiers of IA.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The Same Gun Now For Induction Was Proposed Back In 2008..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

Gun Electronics was ready by 2010..

All Indian Inputs..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I have provided the pictures of Operational guns last Page.

 

[sayareakd]

kunal sir any idea what is this electric optic device in the gun

 

[Kunal Biswas]

kunal sir any idea what is this electric optic device in the gun

Its a part of Direct fire control system..

 

[agentperry]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

Around 100 such guns have been ordered by the Army and are based more or less on the existing Bofors design for which the OFB holds the Transfer of Technology (ToT) licence from the Bofors.

So, not really an indigenous product.

then why one call chinese pla self reliant? its the only way for starters

 

[Twinblade]

Re: Indigenous artillery guns meet parameters; Army orders 100

they need more then 1000 guns, so why order just 100, that will not even recover cost of assambly line.

Because the Army has decided to standardize around 155mm/52 caliber guns. Nearly all procurement tenders have been issued for 52 cal guns. Its a real headache trying to sort out the procurement plans with so many tenders and all of them getting re tendered several times. I have compiled a rough table (the original sources were lost, so it might be a little inaccurate, feel free to update it)

So here it is:-

155mm/39 caliber towed howitzers:
M-777 deal close to being signed, 145 ordered (290 more optional), FH-77B running out of service life, roughly 200 remaining, OFB gun was supposed to be tested, status unknown.

155mm/45 caliber towed howitzer:

-180 M46 guns upgraded to 155mm/45 caliber by Soltam, mixed response with no repeat orders
-OFB rehash of FH-77B on Bofors ToT, 100 ordered (July 2012).


155mm/52 caliber towed howitzer:
-4 tenders cancelled, 5th in progress (Nexter (Caesar), Elbit(Soltam), BAE opted out)
Requirement: 400 imports + 1180 domestic production as per the current tender.
-DRDO's gun might enter testing in 2013-2014, to become the backbone for indigenous towed, tracked and wheeled system.

155mm/52 caliber tracked howitzer:

-Bhim project successfully tested, suspended after blacklisting of Denel, status unknown, might be revived with indigenous gun.
-3 tenders cancelled, 4th in progress (Tata Power with Cenzin, RDM with Mahindra, BEML, Rosoboronexport, L&T & Samsung, Ashok Leyland)
Requirement : 100

155mm/52 caliber wheeled howitzer:
- 4 tenders cancelled, 5th in progress (Germany's Rheinmetall Defence and Slovakia's Konstrukta Defense)
Requirement : 180


155mm/52 caliber mounted howitzer:

Tender still on. Sweden's Archer, French Ceaser, Tata Power Strategic Electronics Division with Bosnia's Unis gun systems and South Africa's Denel (presently blacklisted), L&T, OFB with BEL and Bharat Forge.
Requirement: 200 imports+ 614 domestic production.

 

[ALBY]

US army is switching to GPS guided ammunition for mortars after successfully using it in 155mm howister rounds and rockets.It is said that existing shells could be altered into GPS guided ones by fitting GPS guiding fuzes into it. Can we expect any such moves from our side also in the near future?Or is there any such plans under any development stage in Drdo?

 

[Twinblade]

US army is switching to GPS guided ammunition for mortars after successfully using it in 155mm howister rounds and rockets.It is said that existing shells could be altered into GPS guided ones by fitting GPS guiding fuzes into it. Can we expect any such moves from our side also in the near future?Or is there any such plans under any development stage in Drdo?

GPS rounds like Excalibur can be fired from a standard 155mm gun, provided the fire control system of the gun can interact with the round and has the capability to receive trajectory correction upgrades. There are only a handful of guns capable of firing such munitions and the only one certain to enter Indian service is M-777. The other gun which is a participant in Indian tenders is Swedish Archer. Hopefully, the newest Indian guns should feature a fire control unit that might include options for guided munitions or could be easily upgraded. As of now the small number of rounds needed for such a small number of guns can be imported. But be rest assured that the IA GQSR will mandate a triple redundant guidance system (laser on top of GPS and INS) because the Army defended Krasnopol laser guided shells post their poor performance in Kargil, so how dare the indigenous round not feature something available in the imports

DRDO have not been able to make one electronic air burst or top attack fuse for our mortars for last 40 years ? you are talking of GPS fuses ? High hopes!

Bhadra, you have been reminded time and again to read, search and make sure of what you are posting before you post it. The moderators work for free and they do not have enough time to correct your garbage.

 

[Bhadra]

@twinblade

That is not good moderation...any way

May I please humbly ask you if DRDO since last fifty years have made any electronic fuses for 120 or 81 mm mortars?
Why are you resorting to coercion of moderating ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

US army is switching to GPS guided ammunition for mortars after successfully using it in 155mm howister rounds and rockets.It is said that existing shells could be altered into GPS guided ones by fitting GPS guiding fuzes into it. Can we expect any such moves from our side also in the near future?Or is there any such plans under any development stage in Drdo?

ATK is bringing its GPS guided shell kit to Defexpo, they wanted to sell the same to IA but last thing i heard they are using some desi company to sell it inside India, DRDO is working on Laser guided Shells..

@twinblade

That is not good moderation...any way

May I please humbly ask you if DRDO since last fifty years have made any electronic fuses for 120 or 81 mm mortars?
Why are you resorting to coercion of moderating ?

There are many kind of fuses used in Indian Arty shells, What Kind of Fuse you are talking ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

kunal sir we have these

Plus kunal sir ATK is bringing its GPS guided shell kit to Defexpo, they wanted to sell the same to IA.

http://www.atk.com/Products/documents/PGK - Precision Guidance Kit.pdf

but i am not sure IA want GPS that would give right to USA to switch off the GPS any time. May be local IRS satellite would do the job for IA.

Not long ago this was posted by Sayareakd Sir..