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Denel’s 155mm T5-52 Self-Propelled Howitzer achieves over 60 km range
The third day witnessed ultra-long-range firing, with three velocity-enhanced artillery projectiles (VLAP) fired at a distant target area. Despite challenging meteorological conditions, the system excelled, achieving a remarkable 60.4 kilometers with the first shot and 60.9 kilometers with the second. The final shot set a world record, reaching an astounding range of 6,129.3 kilometers, underscoring the synergy between Denel’s T5-52 and RDM’s Assegai family ammunition suite.
 

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The final shot set a world record, reaching an astounding range of 6,129.3 kilometers, underscoring the synergy between Denel’s T5-52 and RDM’s Assegai family ammunition suite.
Our defence journos are getting serious competition.
 

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Its VLAP range of 61/62 km. Atags have yet to be tested with VLAP. I am sure it will achieve good range figures with it better than 48km.
What would be the range if our ATAGS were to fire a VLAP round ?
 

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As per open source, 78 km+.
That’s good. We need it all at the earliest. But still no order for even a single ATAGS has been placed. With elections looming in May I fear this it will be after the new govt takes charge which would further delay things. The present NDA govt too is behaving just like the previous one in 2004 which failed to ink key deals for artillery and fighter jets prior to the general elections. Then congress led govt came and blacklisted all the major artillery manufacturer’s.
 

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That’s good. We need it all at the earliest. But still no order for even a single ATAGS has been placed. With elections looming in May I fear this it will be after the new govt takes charge which would further delay things. The present NDA govt too is behaving just like the previous one in 2004 which failed to ink key deals for artillery and fighter jets prior to the general elections. Then congress led govt came and blacklisted all the major artillery manufacturer’s.
This is not a political thread, so I am not going to comment on it. But would like to say just that when it comes to general perception of order placement and deal making, its flawed and myopic to the extreme.
 

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Would be a massive boost for artillery power when this happens. But is the Army waiting for a lighter variant of ATAGS or the one that was trialed so extensively?
Army is trying to push in Athos. Somebody has to sponsor a general's brat's "studies" in an ivy league college. No matter how refined the ATAGS become in it's evolutionary iterations, Army will keep stalling until it gets it's quota of Athos. GoI needs to just straight up ban certain imports at this point. But through the massive gaping hole they kept open in the name of "Atmanirvar Bharat", you'll find Kalyani or Adani kit assemble the Athos here with indigenous paint and CEAT tires.
 

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Army is trying to push in Athos. Somebody has to sponsor a general's brat's "studies" in an ivy league college. No matter how refined the ATAGS become in it's evolutionary iterations, Army will keep stalling until it gets it's quota of Athos. GoI needs to just straight up ban certain imports at this point. But through the massive gaping hole they kept open in the name of "Atmanirvar Bharat", you'll find Kalyani or Adani kit assemble the Athos here with indigenous paint and CEAT tires.
There's a weight penalty with ATAGS that the IA isn't willing to overlook in spite of the sheer range, capacity ( 25 litres) & electric / electronic drives used by ATAGS which brings us to the all important important question of the framing of SQRs presumably the pre PSQRs.

Was the IA consulted by the DRDO before freezing the preliminary requirements of the mandate or did the latter do so on its own? If the latter's the case why didn't the MoD insist on the IA being on board before sanctioning the project?

In the meanwhile for the ATAGS to reduce its weight to the IA's satisfaction, it'd need to get back to the drawing board which means another 4-5 yrs at least before it passes all weather & user trials which leaves the door wide open for ATHOS.

I suspect given the situation on the LAC & the "urgency " by GoI standards behind it, GoI will opt for the same solution as before - a via media, wherein part requirement will be fulfilled thru imports cum local production & part thru DMII . To what extent & proportion the order's divided remains to be seen .

Another aspect to be considered is our requirement of ~ 1600 nos towed artillery with limited SP capabilities. In the light of the Ukraine war, do we actually require so many towed artillery or more of the SPH - tracked & wheeled?

Once again I suspect this is being debated in the senior echelons of the IA think tank which is why we're seeing urgent trials of the MGS. By the looks of it the quantum of MGS will shoot up from the planned ~ 800 nos & the towed artillery nos will come down with the MGS scheduled to be an all India solution without any foreign participation .
 

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What To Do with T55 or Vijayanta #Tanks in Reserve?
Are these T-55 tanks still in working condition and are able ride and fire shells? Then we can keep them in reserve and use them incase we are fighting a war with either Pakistan or China, in worst case scenario, both Pakistan and China. Look at Russia, they are pulling out old Soviet era tanks are using them against Ukraine. These T series tanks still have some shelf life available in them. If possible, we should turn them as unmanned ground based fighting vehicles.
 

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Ukraine war has de-emphasized the need for fixed artillery. Now emphasis is on highly mobile artillery with quick shoot and scoot capability. On top of large scale availability of flying drones with AI capability has made artillery very vulnerable.

Hence truck mounted artillery is need of the day. I hope Indian effort to mount ATAGS on a truck succeeds. It can fire a volley and four minutes later, it is gone. That is a great advantage.
 

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