Indian Army Artillery

[Trololo]

Impractical.
1.) Placing strategic cannons on rail tracks causes the enemy to incentivize destruction of those rail tracks. Those same rail tracks are also critical in supplying your troops. They are the arteries carrying lifeblood of your military punch. The enemy will zero-in their long range weapons on your rail network. Once these get taken out..................Moreover, you would be increasing the traffic on the rail line, delaying supplies.

2.) The alternative is to build special railway lines that would (in wartime) be used exclusively by these cannons. Laying new tracks and building massive cannons would drive the cost of the entire project above that of a massive Brahmos barrage, low cost of the individual arty shell not withstanding.

3.) If you fire unguided rounds through it, the dispersion would be far too wide to be of any military use. Indian Army is not in the business of causing massive collateral damage to the civilians of the enemy state. This is not World War 2.

4.) If you want to use guided rounds, the electronics need to be hardened to withstand extreme G-forces. India is weak in that research.

Better to invest all that money into Railgun technology and Missile inventories.

Valid points indeed, but few observations of my own:
1> Branch lines can be cut from existing lines to keep military traffic away from main lines. This includes a whole net of branch lines.

2> Can we create a rapid railroad repair capability using both railways and armed forces personnel?

3> Enemy will need very long range PGMs to be able to target a block of area where the railroad is situated to be able to destroy part of it. I don't expect a Paki aircraft to come in 200 km inside Rajasthan to hit one of these tracks or a Chini aircraft to come deep into Punjab or Uttar Pradesh.

4> Rounds fired from such cannons should be PGMs only. Given how far we have progressed in PGM tech, we shouldn't doubt our capabilities to produce something like an excalibur or better. FYI that research is already ongoing. Just because we are weak we should not give up.

5> Missile inventories are being built up well thankfully. Railgun research is certainly on, but railgun need a major power source to tag along with. Thats why for now ships will make a good choice to host them.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indigenous Sharang Gun System Test Fired At Long Proof Range Khamaria
Long Proof Range (LPR) Khamaria successfully conducted study of pressure waves from indigenously designed Sharang 155mm/45calibre Artillery Gun System. The exercise was rare of its kind conducted under ‘Make in India’ campaign for the first time in the country. LPR, Khamaria, Commandant, Brigadier Nishchaya Raut, while talking to ‘The Hitavada’, informed that study of pressure waves inside the chamber portion of an artillery gun is a very unique exercise in ascertaining differential pressure phenomenon.


The difference of breech face pressure and shot base pressure is called differential pressure and it should be always positive. Pressure at these two exact locations cannot be measured using conventional pressure measurement system. For this special sensors are to be fixed at exactly the above locations. Brigadier Raut informed that the barrel affixed with sensors is called instrumented barrel. Ordnance Development Centre has designed such barrels for Sharang and Dhanush guns where Pressure versus Time data is recorded on Real Time basis during firing of each round.

He proudly said that the team LPR successfully carried out firing of each round with clockwork precision and also provided additional instrumentation which was necessary for proper data acquisition and data correlation. This was first such experiment by any Indian agency. The experimental setup was a huge success and data was recorded for each Rd. This data is now being processed at IIT Kanpur which will give a real insight into the actual built up of pressure inside chamber. Instrumented barrel of indigenously developed Dhanush Gun System will be fielded for the same study in first week of November at LPR Khamaria.

Indigenous Sharang Gun System Test Fired At Long Proof Range Khamaria

Long Proof Range (LPR) Khamaria successfully conducted study of pressure waves from indigenously designed Sharang 155mm/45calibre Artillery ...

www.indiandefensenews.in

 

[Hari Sud]

Any news on the ATAGS barrel burst inquiry. It was to be completed within two weeks after the start of their work. It is already is four weeks and nothing has been heard. India wishes to know whether it was a mechanical fault which did not show up when a thousand rounds were fired from it in Sikkim trials. Could it be ammunition fault, which has been the case in earlier accidents. OFB participation in the inquiry is to ensure that no blame is laid at their door. I am guessing but possible that arms merchants in London could have worked to sabotage the trials. Their wish is to earn commission by selling their own guns from their own suppliers. Only a due inquiry will determine the cause. Please hasten...... the country needs these guns sooner than later.

 

[samsaptaka]

Any news on the ATAGS barrel burst inquiry. It was to be completed within two weeks after the start of their work. It is already is four weeks and nothing has been heard. India wishes to know whether it was a mechanical fault which did not show up when a thousand rounds were fired from it in Sikkim trials. Could it be ammunition fault, which has been the case in earlier accidents. OFB participation in the inquiry is to ensure that no blame is laid at their door. I am guessing but possible that arms merchants in London could have worked to sabotage the trials. Their wish is to earn commission by selling their own guns from their own suppliers. Only a due inquiry will determine the cause. Please hasten...... the country needs these guns sooner than later.

LOL two weeks ! You are certainly optimistic mate ! In two weeks MoD babus would still be contemplating whether to setup a sub committee or not / whether to push along the enquiry request form to the next table or not !

 

[ClawReed787]

What's wrong with the indigenous ones?

 

[Trololo]

What's wrong with the indigenous ones?

I have a sinking feeling ATAGS will go the MCIWS way.

 

[ClawReed787]

I have a sinking feeling ATAGS will go the MCIWS way.

Lol I thought atags was really good and praised a lot . Got any problems with it besides the barrel burst?

 

[Rohan Naik]

I have a sinking feeling ATAGS will go the MCIWS way.

It has already been sacrificed

 

[fire starter]

What's wrong with the indigenous ones?

source- ajai chutiya.

 

[Tuco]

So kalayani, drdo,ofb ...none of their guns worked out?

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

So kalayani, drdo,ofb ...none of their guns worked out?

Ye scam hone wala hai .
This will be a big big scam than Bofors , a real scam not like rafale ka chutiyapa by rafool gandu .
Bas ek whistle blower hoyega , mod ka koi babu.
He will say , donation ( choclate box , assorted items in the choclate box ) have been given to army brass and some bigger babus of mod

Modi ka role isme again kuch na hoga , modi is not rajive gandy


That's what i feel , only feeling nothing concrete to prove any of these

 

[Cruise missile]

ATAGS barrel burst was due to shitty OFB ammunition.

 

[FalconSlayers]

What's wrong with the indigenous ones?

Urgent need maybe as indigenous ones are slow in production, or our ones are also fast but simultaneous orders will deliver 2 times more in same time as in comparison to China our artillery capabilities aren’t good.

 

[Cruise missile]

Urgent need maybe as indigenous ones are slow in production, or our ones are also fast but simultaneous orders will deliver 2 times more in same time as in comparison to China our artillery capabilities aren’t good.

I think that ATHOS is self propelled whereas ATAGS is towed.

 

[Cruise missile]

 

[Cruise missile]

Both HAL and MOD requires a deep purge.

 

[Knowitall]

Samjhoge samjhoge tum sab dhire dhire samjhoge.

Dekhte nahi ho army brass ko 3 type ki rifle chahiye watered down ak chahiye you need drones helicopters modern technologies par nahi army ko aur tanks chahiye.

No sense of uniformity. NSG kitna aage nikal gaya and look at army special forces.

Once army modernization is done by these people we will be ready to fight ww2.

 

[ClawReed787]

Urgent need maybe as indigenous ones are slow in production, or our ones are also fast but simultaneous orders will deliver 2 times more in same time as in comparison to China our artillery capabilities aren’t good.

Urgent need maybe as indigenous ones are slow in production, or our ones are also fast but simultaneous orders will deliver 2 times more in same time as in comparison to China our artillery capabilities aren’t good.

How many do we need to replace?if the numbers are big and urgent then it makes sense.

 

[N4tsula67]

Both HAL and MOD requires a deep purge.

Yeah import lobby is too strong. I still think this might be emergency purchase? Maybe OFB ammunition is too shitty.

 

[HawkisRight]

what a fcukin rotten pathetic system we have got ourselves..The Politico military establishment have No vision whatsoever for National security and this shameless cycle of incompetency goes on.. Absolute shame