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Kunal Biswas

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Some ZUZANA blazing in Astan!
Pics are posted here coz BEML testing ZUZANA for IA Wheeled Howitzer requirement..

















 

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Atlast the IA and the defence establishment has woke up from a deep sleep...............:emot112:
 

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Atlast the IA and the defence establishment has woke up from a deep sleep...............:emot112:
They are still asleep , Let's see if they actually induct it first.

IT took IA 10 years to induct a grenade made by DRDO 10 years prior. even though they were using WWII grenades.
It is impossible to expect proper behaviour from IA.
 

Kunal Biswas

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They are still asleep , Let's see if they actually induct it first.

IT took IA 10 years to induct a grenade made by DRDO 10 years prior. even though they were using WWII grenades.
It is impossible to expect proper behaviour from IA.
DRDO grenade is just fine...

Its the quality we have problem with..

And we need these 155/52l urgently..

Mean while DRDO can work out with M46SPG ( Dont know why they are not going with M46 but 105 ?? ! )
 

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As long as we're on the topic of truck mounted guns made in India


Here's a 105MM IFG mounted on a truck the integration was done by TATA.
 

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The 52 Caliber Juggernauts


BY ADMIN AT 27 DECEMBER, 2010, 1:47 PM

SOURCE : Dinakar Peri security Editorial Panel For Security Magazine (Idrw.org Magazine)

In the next few months feverish activity is expected in the 52 caliber 155 mm howitzers trails and related decision making process. Either it is possible that blacklisted firms that were offering these guns may be brought back into the trail process or DRDO which has been pitching its case with its ability to build a 155 mm 52 caliber gun for Indian army as per its specifications, may be given the go ahead. Some of the blacklisted firms include Rheinmetall of Germany; Israel Military Industries (IMI) and Soltam of Israel and Denel of South African.

It may be known that in August the MoD canceled trials of 2 guns, namely the Singapore Technologies Kinetics (STK) gun IFH-2000 and BAE Systems gun FH-77B-05, a improved version of the Bofors gun (410 No's of which were bought in mid 80s) consequent of the CBI announcing that STK and OFB official Sudipta Ghosh were found conniving. That left only the Bofors gun in contention, which MoD considered a not so suitable situation for gun selection since the FH-77B-05 is a remnant of the Bofors bogey that has embarrassed congress governments in the past due to Bofors Scam and Indian Army's dream to get new guns has been delayed incessantly.

Either the GoI formulates a policy where even a blacklisted company should be allowed to participate in weapon trails with money kept in escrow till charges are cleared and if found guilty then getting them to pay up fine in one or other way. However whatever happens there are some questions that need to be answered about the 52 caliber guns. The following are the questions and relevant answers.

Q1. The 52 caliber guns fire heavier shells. So just how much heavy are these shells from the 39 caliber ones, and what will be their range compared to the 39s on a/c of weight.
Answer 1: 155mm/39 cal HE shell weighs 42 kg. 155mm/52 caliber shell weighs approximately 50 kgs. The range for 155mm/39 calibers to be more specific tactical range is 21 kms with maximum range of 27.4 km with base bleed projectiles. On the other hand the tactical range for 155mm/52 calibers is 30 km with standard shells, 40 km with base-bleed, 60 km with Excalibur. The 155mm/52 Caliber fires to longer distances due to its longer barrel. A 52 caliber gun barrel (155 x 52= 8.06 m) when compared with the 155 mm/39 caliber (155 x 39=6.04 m) is about 2 meters longer.
Q2. Some reports say the 52 caliber guns are ideally suited for coastal batteries, with only a few countries including Singapore (effectively a city state surrounded by water) having opted for these. So is it really viable for India to try these 52s.
Answer 2: Yes India does need long range artillery guns capable of firing heavy shells over longer distances. For example, while the 155 mm/39 caliber holds command over 1400 sq. km of battle space; the 155 mm/52 caliber can hold command over 11000 sq. km of battle space considering its maximum range and considering that battle space coverage is of significant importance for any country in any terrain.

Q3. Since these 52 caliber guns fire heavier shells, won't it need reworking the metallurgy at OFB units with regard to fuse, artillery shell and explosives?

Answer 3: Indeed the ammunition will be specially designed for 155mm/52 caliber guns. Fuse is not a problem it can be adapted to any caliber. Fuses like DA-162 and T&P 213 Mk V are used both for 81mm and 120mm mortars ammunition. In the case of metallurgy of barrels, everything remains same except that 52 caliber barrels will wear out faster than 39 caliber barrels.

Q4. Will this cancellation lead in revival of the BHIM Project?
Answer 4: While the Bhim project concerns the development of 155mm 52 caliber Self Propelled Howitzers on Arjun Tank Chassis. As per reports from Defexpo-2010, it has been revived but nothing else is known

http://idrw.org/?p=2016
 

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Modernisation of artillery has been hampered

Modernisation of artillery has been hampered, says Army Chief
NEW DELHI: Against the backdrop of the Bofors gun deal controversy, Army Chief General V K Singh today said the modernization of the artillery has been hampered, for which he blamed both military and civilian authorities .

"There have been faults, some in uniform and some out of uniform. Now we are on track to ensure that this mismatch that has happened over a period of time is amended," Singh told reporters here.

The Army chief was asked if he was concerned about the artillery modernisation against the backdrop of the recent developments after the Income Tax Appellate Tribunal said that kickbacks of Rs 41 crore were paid to late Win Chaddha and Italian businessman Ottavio Quattrocchi in the Howitzer deal in the 1980s.

Despite several attempts, cancellation of tenders due to various reasons has not allowed the Army to induct any new artillery gun in the last 25 years after the controversy surrounding the Bofors guns snow-balled into a big political issue since the late 80s.

Hoping that the Army would shortly do away with the deficiencies, Singh said the country was capable of winning a war even with the artillery guns presently available in its inventory.

The Army presently uses a mix of 105 mm field and 130 and 155 mm medium artillery guns for carrying out its tasks and has plans to acquire over 2000 howitzers of different calibres including ultra-light, self-propelled and towed guns.

Asked about the reports suggesting possibility of arrest of former Army chiefs in the Adarsh Cooperative Housing scam, Singh said, "Whatever the CBI has done, I am not aware of it. But whenever they want somebody, we are giving full support. Army's aim is that no bad hat, if he has done something, should escape."

"Whatever is happening is against a minuscule number and it will not have any impact on the morale of the Army:tinfoil3:. We are insulated from it," he added.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=14130
 
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well,Indian defence industry seems to have long way to provide indigenious weapons to its arm force.
 

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well,Indian defence industry seems to have long way to provide indigenious weapons to its arm force.
that's because we don't have the habbit of copying others when it comes to military equipment as the chinese.
 

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Denel faces lack of sales prospects for the G6 self-propelled howitzer

http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/724/?SID=6d19955107f836651f40e5c16a6ac295
One of the best guns(If not the Best) wheeled Guns out there and one that would be easily made available to India if we only let go of our archaic and self binding rules about Banning everybody left right and centre. Personally this baby has been one of ma favourites since i first saw one on TV back in the 90's.
 

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130mm m46 SPGH









My Idea is to have 130mm mounted on TATRA T-815 ( 8x8 ) as SA did with 155 G5..

This will give IA a upper hand in mountain terrain as well as desert terrain warfare..

This SPGH is easy to produce and manufacturing rate will be higher, Weapon and vehicle are produce in India, Vehicle and gun both are familiar in IA..








What You People Think Abt It?? :emot112:
The Sad part in all this is that the Condor was originally being developed for India By the South Africans as part of a JV between BEML and DENEL, the ban on DENEL screwed that up! As long as we're on the topic of DENEL there's this new gun that DENEL has brought in as a light 105mm rapidly mobile Howitzer(I know BEML also ha one on the BMP2 chassis) with a range of 36km and airtransportability via C-130, this gun can change the playing field.

http://www.denellandsystems.co.za/products_lav3_full_description.html
 

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The Sad part in all this is that the Condor was originally being developed for India By the South Africans as part of a JV between BEML and DENEL, the ban on DENEL screwed that up! As long as we're on the topic of DENEL there's this new gun that DENEL has brought in as a light 105mm rapidly mobile Howitzer(I know BEML also ha one on the BMP2 chassis) with a range of 36km and airtransportability via C-130, this gun can change the playing field.

http://www.denellandsystems.co.za/products_lav3_full_description.html


I am sure u know Denal 105mm is very different one than the 105mm on BMP2..
The problem is with the insufficient range with 105mm, thats the reason i suggested 130mm on Tatra 8x8..


Btw, I looking forward to DRDO development of 155/52cal and BEML 155/52cal from Slovaks..
 
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I am sure u know Denal 105mm is very different one than the 105mm on BMP2..
The problem is with the insufficient range with 105mm, thats the reason i suggested 130mm on Tatra 8x8..


Btw, I looking forward to DRDO development of 155/52cal and BEML 155/52cal from Slovaks..
The Denel 105mm With a Maximum Range of 32km(with base bleed projectiles) is almost as good as the M-46 with both having their maximum ranges in the early 30's. however with the advanced electronics the DENEL gun has it'll shoot better and get out faster.

As far as the BEML/DRDO development is concerned i too hope for the best it's been far too long.
 

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The Denel 105mm With a Maximum Range of 32km(with base bleed projectiles) is almost as good as the M-46 with both having their maximum ranges in the early 30's. however with the advanced electronics the DENEL gun has it'll shoot better and get out faster.

If today Denial was not ban, We may not have to purchase M777..
Also G7 mounted on BMP & G6 on Arjun..

Its strange to count that India always lacked Arty through out its History..
 

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IA wants the bofors guns, but Congress is scared to take that, especially now with the corruption.
 

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If today Denial was not ban, We may not have to purchase M777..
Also G7 mounted on BMP & G6 on Arjun..

Its strange to count that India always lacked Arty through out its History..
Correction if DENEL was not banned today we would probably have an arty force unrivalled in ASIA.
True we have always lacked the grace of the "Lord of war".
 

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