Indian Army Artillery

[Heat]

Simple thing ... and not a rant...
Who asked them for 48 km ??? Give that ATAGS who needs 48 km..
At what charge is 48 km achieved at and what is the EFC of the barrel at that charge.. who and how will IA control artillery fire at 48 km...
What is operational or tactical use of neutralizing a target 48km away in a tactical battlefield ?
Who has asked Kalyani to make titanium barrel costing four times more than normal guns ?? Who will foot the bill ? If IA wanted more ULH they would have included that in their schemes. ULH further needs Chinooks.. add that cost to ULH... what is the barrel life of ULH as compared to noraml guns.. and why does IA need more ULH when billions are being spent on infrastructure...

Tum log apane Kunwe me hi raho to theek hai...

So, we should drop ATAGS and import these 1000+ artillery pieces ?

 

[IndianHawk]

With weight four tons more than asked for...
And who is going to tow that additional four tons in mountains..
who asked DODOs to make such a heavy chamber ...??

Chataki marate ho to apane pas rakho..

How else do you get more range?? And so long the towing vehicle has enough horsepower what's the problem.

Big chamber makes it future proof. With small chamber range will degrade and when porky will buy big chambered chini artillery in future you will all cry how drdo makes small chambered crap.

 

[Bhadra]

So, we should drop ATAGS and import these 1000+ artillery pieces ?

Well if Indian Mal does not meet the requirement there is no other choice... It is that thatDRDO/ OFB makes any thing and shub it up. High time the forces tell them to shub that up theirs...

Let it be very clear... hings can be forced on the Armed Forces... these organisations are not doing any favor.. they are bringing up their children on the money paid by the Army so they must treat their work a little seriously..

 

[Bhadra]

LoL

Toh General sahib media media khel rahe the?

'accepted via media'

Matlab kuch bhi...

Indian Artillery : A Peep Into Its Past, Present & Future

The Regiment of Artillery celebrates is all set celebrate 192 years of its inception on 28 September.Artillery is the second biggest arm.

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An army which hasn't operated more than 400 155/39 and whose total 155mm towed Arty requirements are 1680 says that 25% ( of 1600) of holdings are/will be tech demonstrators.

The joke on you.

But fret not O' volatile, OFB has you covered in this also. They have also made 155/52 Caliber barrel. And have exported to UK/ BAE/Bofors.

And m777 is 39 caliber. Why didn't you wait for 52 caliber version of m777?

That's not an assortment right?

Also, Soltam upgrade to M46 are 155/45 so are 300 Sharang upgrade

You better teach that third rate municipality English to someone else..

Keep straight and come to the point.... your deranged arguments are not going to cut any ice.

 

[Bhadra]

The Field Artillery Rationalisation Plan(FARP) is bound to change, it was formulated in the aftermath of the Kargil war, that is 20 years ago.
Things have changed a lot since then, nowhere in the FARP is there a mention of the 155/39cal howitzer mounted on a 4x4 truck.
The former COAS Gen Bipin Rawat had personally requested Kalyani to build a 155/39 MGS at Defence Expo 2018 in the aftermath of Doklam possibly for rapid deployment.

FARP was forced to chang when MoD ordered 1114 Dhanush which is 155/45. FARP also does not envisage 155/45.

FARP meduimisation based on 155/52 is based on certain objectives, range, ammunition type and employment pattern. Unly a few ULH were planned for a specefic requirement.

Howevr the mounted motorised versions were also envisaged fo a specefic terrain type.

I do feel that this appraoch is wrong as India must go for all terrain equipment so that sufficient flexibility exist to switch forces from plains to mountains.

130 up gunning programmer is only to fill the gap till Army achieves FARP but some stupid fool quotes that as justification to screw the FARP. Those who can not make six guns masturbate at the prospects of 414 guns... idiots..

 

[Bhadra]

Actually it will be the same Vajra's externally but with totally different internally l & t has probably brought the intecuall rights for the vajra hulls and turret from the developer so l & t would probably want to span the platform for SPH's FRCV and FMBT's

@ARVION Galwan will change the entire focus of Indian Army and may force re-prioritization. SP versions are likely to be relegated down.. all terain equipment will be higher priority.... May be mounted guns...
ATAGS and OFB 155/52 is out .. let them first fulfill 155/45 version order... Chataki marate hain.. traitors...

 

[Bhadra]

Gentlemen of the Forum.

Indian Army Artillery had about 410 pieces of Bofors. It is belived that about only 300 guns would be in Service and the rest have become serviceable and been used for cannibalization of the parts etc.

ATE Factron 720 is a test equipment used for the repair of printed circuit boards and modules of Bofors Guns and its associated equipment. This equipment which is a critical requirement for the overhaul/repair of Bofors weapon system was imported from UK for Rs 7.20 crore as part of engineering support package for Bofors weapon system in 1989. The system developed snags in 1997 and was yet to be repaired. In its absence tests are carried out manually, which requires more time besides limiting the scope and reliability of testing. Now that OFB is making Dhanush this problem might have been overcome.

Then OFB has developed Dhanush from the blueprints of Bafors... It implies that there is commonalities of parts between Bofors and Dhanush, I am sure Dhunush only has a new barrel that is calibered 155/45. Other parts would be common between Dhanush and Bofors. When it comes to barrels Kalyani is manufacturing 155/39 caliber barrels of various hues.

One thing is certain that OFB has been able to put Bofors blue prints into a product. That means it is capable of making all parts of Bofors.

If so, why can not the OFB put the unserviceable Bofors back into actions till at least it is able to fulfill the subsequent expected orders of 300 more Dhanush over next ten years. Dhanush is after all expected to replace all Bofors with a better version. So the OFB must undertake the responsibilities of keeping Bofors in Service till all how are replaced with Dhanush.

What do the wise guys of Artillery and OFB say ...

 

[garg_bharat]

Gentlemen of the Forum.

Indian Army Artillery had about 410 pieces of Bofors. It is belived that about only 300 guns would be in Service and the rest have become serviceable and been used for cannibalization of the parts etc.

Then OFB has developed Dhanush from the blueprints of Bafors... It implies that there is commonalities of parts between Bofors and Dhanush, I am sure Dhunush only has a new barrel that is calibered 155/45. Other parts would be common between Dhanush and Bofors. When it comes to barrels Kalyani is manufacturing 155/39 caliber barrels of various hues.

One thing is certain that OFB has been able to put Bofors blue prints into a product. That means it is capable of making all parts of Bofors.

If so, why can not the OFB put the unserviceable Bofors back into actions till at least it is able to fulfill the subsequent expected orders of 300 more Dhanush over next ten years. Dhanush is after all expected to replace all Bofors with a better version. So the OFB must undertake the responsibilities of keeping Bofors in Service till all how are replaced with Dhanush.

What do the wise guys of Artillery and OFB say ...

Boss a lot can be achieved by increasing spares parts availability and upgrading.
The clamour for new equipment must be balanced with keeping old current.

I am typing this message on a 10 year old PC that has been upgraded couple of times during these 10 years. It works well even today.

Putting back all BOFORS guns into service should be top priority along with upgrades of M-46.

 

[Bhadra]

Boss a lot can be achieved by increasing spares parts availability and upgrading.
The clamour for new equipment must be balanced with keeping old current.

I am typing this message on a 10 year old PC that has been upgraded couple of times during these 10 years. It works well even today.

Putting back all BOFORS guns into service should be top priority along with upgrades of M-46.

Garg Sahab, tell me something about Bofors repairs if you know. What are the problems and how can all 410 guns be put into Service all the time..

 

[Tanmay]

Probably Smerch or Pinaka stretching its arms.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Garg Sahab, tell me something about Bofors repairs if you know. What are the problems and how can all 410 guns be put into Service all the time..

Probably those 110 or so guns have already been cannibalized to a substantial degree.Therefore you would have to build them anew more or less.Instead its better to build new dhanush with more advanced tech and range.

 

[Rohan Naik]

Probably Smerch or Pinaka stretching its arms.

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Most probably a smerch. See the curved edges in the shadow.

 

[Why so serious?]

We need to start working on something like this , I did not know 155 mm Ramjet projectile existed. That too with range upto 65 km , Damn.

 

[ezsasa]

We need to start working on something like this , I did not know 155 mm Ramjet projectile existed. That too with range upto 65 km , Damn.

early stages, but there is one happening..

IIT Madras' Ramjet Powered 155 mm Artillery Shell Project

 

[Why so serious?]

early stages, but there is one happening..

IIT Madras' Ramjet Powered 155 mm Artillery Shell Project

Is this project undertaken by IIT Madras with own funding , funded by IA or between IIT - M and IIT -K ?

Why DRDO doesn't have a project related to this ?

These ammunitions must be expensive but have the potential to change the artillery game.

 

[Bhadra]

We need to start working on something like this , I did not know 155 mm Ramjet projectile existed. That too with range upto 65 km , Damn.

early stages, but there is one happening..

IIT Madras' Ramjet Powered 155 mm Artillery Shell Project

Typical examples of Arming without aiming...

Artillery shells or the fire must be controlled in all aspects of its ranges, targets, effects, timing and in space. That is to say If I fire artillery shells at 30 km range, I must have the capabilities to observe its fall on target, correct it, control quantum of shells that will land on the object and finally assess the damage that has been caused,

So the question immediately arises = does one has the capability to control the battle space fifty Km away from the gun. Another associated question is = does one need to keep the gun fifty km behind where one is fighting. Both the question immediately ask for range of means of command and control. need for flexibility , mobility and suitability.

Therefore , the extended range artillery is the requirement of a battle that is being fought at successive levels in depth simultaneously which has been termed as Airland battles waged with forward troops. troop in immediate depth and troop in further depth.
Such battles are waged by Mechanized forces, heliborne forces and airborne forces simultaneously. So far Indian forces are very far away from such a capability.

What we need for our artillery today is a range of upto 30km , good means of command and control of artillery fire, ability to acquire target, precision bombing and damage assessment capabilities, We need more of smart munitions, guided munitions, and more varieties of shells. A gun without good shells has no meaning.

Even on the Western front of India, Pakistani front and their second tiers of defenses fall within thirty km of our intended gun positions. 40 km for us is bonus. Hence our focus of research must be smart munition, smart fuzes and good means of command and control such as Swati Radars, UAVs , Satellites, Krasnopol or Excalibur etc...

 

[ezsasa]

Typical examples of Arming without aiming...

Artillery shells of the fire must be controlled in all aspects of its ranges, targets, effects, timing and in space. That is to say If I fire artillery shells at 30 km range, I must have the capabilities to observe its fall on target, correct it, controll quantum of shell that will land on the object and finally assess the damadge that has been caused,

So the question immediately arises = does one has the capability to control the battle space fifty Km away from the gun. Another associated question is = does one need to keep the gun fifty km behind where one is fighting. Both the question immediately ask for range of means of command and control. need for flexibility , mobility and suitability.

Therefore , the extended range artillery is the requirement of battle that is being fought at successive levels in depth simultaneously which has been termed as Airland battles waged with forward troops. troop in immediate depth and troop in further depth.
Such battles are waged by Mechanized forces, hellebore forces and airborne forces simultaneously. So far Indian forces are very far away from such a capability.

What we need for our artillery today is a range of upto 30km , good means of command and control of artillery fire, ability to acquire target, precision bombing and damage assessment capabilities, We need more of smart munitions, guided munitions, and more varieties of shells. A gun without good shells has no meaning.

Even on the Western front of India, Pakistani front and their second tiers of defenses fall within thirty km of our intended gun positions. 40 km for us is bonus. Hence our focus of resaerch must be smart munition, smart fuzes and good means of command and control such as Swati Radars, UAVs , Satellites, Krasnopol or Excalibur etc...

Research projects like these produce ancillary data beyond the main objective.
longer ranges are always welcome, and more over who know if the same tech can be incorporated into 127 mm naval shells there might be some utility there as well.

better to have it and choose not use it than not having it when you need it.

anyways there is a many hurdles for this project to cross.

 

[Why so serious?]

Research projects like these produce ancillary data beyond the main objective.
longer ranges are always welcome, and more over who know if the same tech can be incorporated into 127 mm naval shells there might be some utility there as well.

better to have it and choose not use it than not having it when you need it.

anyways there is a many hurdles for this project to cross.

US aims to arm the marine corps with these Ramjet shells and later on fire them from the 155 mm cannons of Zumwalt class.

 

[Tanmay]

Most probably a smerch. See the curved edges in the shadow.

Sharp eyes you have Indeed it looks more like smerch. I tried doing it by comparing lengths.
Pinaka is 8x8 while Smerch is 10x10. Only if we get a Smerch and Pinaka side by side in sat pics. Probably there was one at Deolali camp.

 

[Tanmay]

Rarely photographed : ELM 2140 radar with Indian Armry (Artillery)


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The Regiment of Artillery is currently equipped with a variety of surveillance devices, Guns, Mortars, Rockets and Missiles. The surveillance devices are a part of the Surveillance and Target Acquisition (SATA) Regiments. The devices currently held comprise the Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) which are of four types. These are the Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) Heron and Short Range Searcher MK I and Searcher Mk II UAVs as also four indigenously built Nishants. These UAVs have been operationally optimised and they are extremely useful tools of surveillance. Our current holdings are minimal and their numbers need to be enhanced. The SATA units are currently equipped with Medium Range Battlefield Surveillance Radars (MBFSR) and Weapon Locating Radars (WLR). The MBFSR currently held is the ELM 2140 which is able to detect tanks, vehicles and troops. They are held in minimal quantities and been exploited by mobile masts. The WLR currently held is the ANTPQ-37 which has been optimised with a reasonable degree of success. Further SATA units are equipped with Long Range Reconnaissance and Observation Systems (LORROS). This equipment has excellent day and night surveillance capability and has proved its effectiveness in operational areas. The SATA units also have a passive weapon locating system kn