Indian Army Artillery

[garg_bharat]

None of which prevents them from being used on land targets.

Have you seen any such use?? Can you post such examples??

Being used on land targets is different from being used on land. Not sure what you are referring to.

If you are talking about coastal targets, then yes, a ship can fire at a coastal target.

 

[aditya g]

I was talking about the latter. Installing naval guns on land will not make military sense as they will be on static installations due to power requirements as well they will need to sit on the building for the 'below deck' magazine and like.

The only case where naval arty has been deployed from land is land based Cwiz:

On the other hand there are some examples of land based arty deployed on naval ships, albeit with mixed results. Bofors 40 mm is perhaps the only successful gun to have done equally well on land and sea.

Have you seen any such use?? Can you post such examples??

Being used on land targets is different from being used on land. Not sure what you are referring to.

If you are talking about coastal targets, then yes, a ship can fire at a coastal target.

 

[Prashant12]

Ordnance Factory to upgrade Swedish anti-aircraft gun


Nagpur: Though the Army has invites offers to acquire latest anti-aircraft guns, the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), which is also in the fray as vendor, is simultaneously working on modernizing the old L-70 guns made with Swedish technology of 1960s.

A mechanical weapon, the L-70 is being fitted with latest electronic systems with the help of defence PSU Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL). The Army has put out a request for information (RFI) to buy the latest air defence guns capable of engaging targets in day and night using systems like fire control radars and electro optical fibre. The new guns are expected to have a capacity of being towed or mounted on a vehicle. Contracts for new air defence systems are estimated to be worth over Rs20,000 crore along with ammunition.

The Army at present has over 1,000 L-70 guns that it wants to replace. Gun Carriage Factory (GCF) at Jabalpur, which had been making the old guns, has now initiated the modernization project. GCF was making L-70s until about 5-6 years ago. There have been no further orders from the Army since then, said sources related to the project.

The L-70 runs on mechanical system and many of its parts are now obsolete. The electronic systems to be put in with the help of BEL will have sensors to increase accuracy. There are plans to develop over 200 pieces of which 15-20 would be done in the first batch, said a source.

Both the modernization of the old guns and participating in tenders for latest systems will go side by side. Getting the new technology can take 3-4 years. Until then the upgraded L-70s could be offered to the Army, said a source in the OFB.

GCF at Jabalpur has also delivered the first batch of three indigenous 155mm (Bofors type) howitzers to the Army. The next three are on the way. The first batch was put under trials at Balasore in Orissa after which the Army added a cold weather trial for the howitzers. The date and time have not been fixed yet, said the source.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...sh-anti-aircraft-gun/articleshow/51350718.cms

 

[bengalraider]

Dhanush's induction was supposed to be start from November. Safe to assume the induction has started?

No ,The first batch of 8-10 guns will be handed over to the IA only later this month. These will go for training purposes to the school of arty at Deolali. The IA will get a batch of 8-10 guns every quarter from then these will go towards establishing the first operational arty unit with Dhanush.

 

[bengalraider]

Dhanush's induction was supposed to be start from November. Safe to assume the induction has started?

No ,The first batch of 8-10 guns will be handed over to the IA only later this month. These will go for training purposes to the school of arty at Deolali. The IA will get a batch of 8-10 guns every quarter from then these will go towards establishing the first operational arty unit with Dhanush.

 

[bengalraider]

What are current procurements of Artillery systems.
Are the field guns getting replaced?

The M-46 units will be mordenised with fire control units and upgunned to 155/45 cal.
The Vijayanta Catapults will be phased out and replaced with Arjun Catapults.
The Abbot units will be replaced with the Vajra.
The D-30 units will be replaced by Dhanush.
The Indian Field gun units will be replaced by ATAGS from 2020 onwards.
Other Arty like Bharat-52 might also be procured to upgun some regiments operating the IFG earlier.
There will be new regiments raised for M777 .

 

[bengalraider]

Also forgot the Dhanush is currently a 155/45 gun. We should have a 155/52 version from 2018-19 as well.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their is not very large difference between these two in terms of kinetics and range ..

Also forgot the Dhanush is currently a 155/45 gun. We should have a 155/52 version from 2018-19 as well.

 

[Bornubus]

@Kunal Biswas


A bit off topic but what is this tube Weapon adjacent to AGS ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Wire guided ATGM ................................

@Kunal Biswas

A bit off topic but what is this tube Weapon adjacent to AGS ?

 

[Bornubus]

Wire guided ATGM ................................

It doesn't look like any known ATGM,i have seen it with Baloch Rebels too with a artillery shell.

Thanks anyway

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its Indian Army arms at some mela around local population, This can be 9k111 fagot without aiming sight and other accessories and with a hollow tube without the missiles ..

 

[akk]

GCF at Jabalpur has also delivered the first batch of three indigenous 155mm (Bofors type) howitzers to the Army. The next three are on the way. The first batch was put under trials at Balasore in Orissa after which the Army added a cold weather trial for the howitzers. The date and time have not been fixed yet, said the source.

What is this new "cold weather trial" about? Does it apply to Dhanush? How many trials it will need? Will the Indian forces just keep triailing all indigenous products?

 

[akk]

GCF at Jabalpur has also delivered the first batch of three indigenous 155mm (Bofors type) howitzers to the Army. The next three are on the way. The first batch was put under trials at Balasore in Orissa after which the Army added a cold weather trial for the howitzers. The date and time have not been fixed yet, said the source.

What is this new "cold weather trial" about? Does it apply to Dhanush? How many trials it will need? Will the Indian forces just keep triailing all indigenous products?

 

[tharun]

The Indian Field gun units will be replaced by ATAGS from 2020 onwards.

What is ATAGS?
We need not to replace field guns we need to make them lighter so we can airlift with choppers

 

[garg_bharat]

What is this new "cold weather trial" about? Does it apply to Dhanush? How many trials it will need? Will the Indian forces just keep triailing all indigenous products?

The production of guns will not stop. Once delivered to Army, Army can trial or test, or whatever it wants with the guns. The gun has cleared its development trials and is cleared for production.

 

[garg_bharat]

What is ATAGS?
We need not to replace field guns we need to make them lighter so we can airlift with choppers

The Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) project was started by DRDO to replace older guns in service with a modern 155mm artillery gun. DRDO along with private companies including L&T and Bharat Forgeis developing the guns since 2013.

The gun is two ton lighter than guns in the same category and is designed to provide better accuracy and range and is capable of firing five successive rounds in short duration. The development of the gun is going to take three years and three more years for the trials to be completed. The production of the gun is expected to start in 2019.

 

[bengalraider]

Their is not very large difference between these two in terms of kinetics and range ..

A difference of 10-20km in range could be achieved. That in turn could make the gun be within or out of OPFOR range.

 

[bengalraider]

What is ATAGS?
We need not to replace field guns we need to make them lighter so we can airlift with choppers

@garg_bharat has already explained what ATAGS is now for the second part of your question. The IFG was a 105/45 gun which was never air portable via sling under helicopters. The LFG is a 75/39 gun which is air portable via slings under helicopters ( MI-17,ALH)
We are looking to increase the caliber of our air portable guns to 155/45 or 155/52 without sacrificing air portability.The ATAGS is not going to be air portable. The IA is buying 149 units of the M777 to fulfil this need for now, We will need another 500-1000 units of such light guns to secure our Himalayan frontiers in the long-term. Bharat Forge is working on such an ultralight 155/45 gun with a titanium extruded barrel, we should see a prototype of this gun at Defexpo 2016.
Bharat Forge is also working on modernizing the existing M-46 to a 155/52 cal version with electronic targeting aids.
A separate program between the IA and Bharat Forge is looking to modernize the 105mm IFG units to the Bharat Forge Garuda 105mm standard.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

With special ammunition perhaps, But with regular M107 HE and regular charge the range is more or less same ..

A difference of 10-20km in range could be achieved. That in turn could make the gun be within or out of OPFOR range.