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I cannot say about Archer, But Cesar and denels are JV with Tata and Ashok layland respectively ..
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IIRC only, Rheinmettal's AGM and Zuzana qualified for the wheeled tender last time, so Archer is most likely considered as MGS.
It is Tata-Denel and Ashok Leyland-Nexter not vice versa. But you knew that and probably wrote that in hurry.
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AFAIK
Towed vs SP
In SP -
Tracked vs wheeled
Manual vs Auto - thats an age-old debate I will not take part in. 21 rounds is more than Caesar. The South African version may beat it, depending upon the Tata truck. At any rate, we will have replenishment vehicles so should not be a problem.
Anyway, If wishes were horses, we would ride
I didn't get the first part.
In case of manual vs auto , auto should be the way forward but only if the provision for manual feeding exists. AFAIK, no such provision exists in Archer.
Also, Kargil changed the perception of artillery use in India. A system's capability of sustained fire over the period of days is far more important than the rate of fire or range. Even dhanush out ranges or equals almost any tube artillery fielded by our adversaries.
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Improved shells developed for 105 Indian Field Guns
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Source : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ter-trials-a-success/articleshow/32271464.cms
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I've never heard of Artillery's being separately classified as Mounted and Wheeled. AFAIK There are 2 main types, Towed or Self Propelled, and Self Propelled further classified as Tracked or Wheeled. IDK maybe Army GHQ came up with new terms. Although I don't know the
Even a provision for Manual, would mean keeping more manpower around, which kinda defeats the purpose here. Archer is designed to operate with as low as 2 crew-members.
'A system's capability of sustained fire over the period of days is far more important than the rate of fire or range.'
I don't know if this is a remark on FH-77B or not but the Archer can provide sustained fire
From wiki
AFAIK, for sustained fire, you really want towed guns. Wheeled (or mounted) howitzers can operate more closer to the front line adopting Shoot n Scoot tactics, for which Archer is perfect.
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@Kunal Biswas check this out.
Now the source is shit but if the weight and length figures are correct, then maybe it can work......
What do you think?
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20130701000036&cid=1101
Now the source is shit but if the weight and length figures are correct, then maybe it can work......
What do you think?
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- IF it breaks down. Is there any data for its MTBF? As I said, I don't want to enter in this debate.
- About FH-77B, this really happened? Gun usage had to be restricted to 2 hours even at that rate?
- Archer carries two mags - 20 rounds each which can be emptied in 2.5 minutes, Also 77BW has a sustained rate of fire of 75/hour and not 60. I don't think we may need to halt operations for reloads from the R&R vehicle.
- No, but it adds to flexibility and the Chinks are definitely going to have WLR's - probably stolen designs from Americans.
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- IF it breaks down. Is there any data for its MTBF? As I said, I don't want to enter in this debate.
Read somewhere. It depends on the barrel temperature. Anyway, 120 rounds on the enemy per gun is not something to be taken lightly.
- About FH-77B, this really happened? Gun usage had to be restricted to 2 hours even at that rate?
I would like a source for the two mags. Every other source is claiming one. Sustained rate of 75/hour for how long? Even, if that's the case, Archer goes bingo every 16 mins.
- Archer carries two mags - 20 rounds each which can be emptied in 2.5 minutes, Also 77BW has a sustained rate of fire of 75/hour and not 60. I don't think we may need to halt operations for reloads from the R&R vehicle.
Same goes for every other contender. They all can shoot and scoot.
- No, but it adds to flexibility and the Chinks are definitely going to have WLR's - probably stolen designs from Americans.
Overall, I'm not completely in favour of Archer over the Caesar or others and that wasn't my intention here anyway. Caesar also have some +ve's like its impressive Off-road capability, especially releveant for the mountains given that it was deployed in Afghanistan.
Let's wait for the decision before we discuss things further.
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1. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2819.html
AMMUNITION
The vehicle carries 20 155mm projectiles in the fully automatic magazine and an additional 20 projectiles for reload. The howitzer can use NATO modular charges or Bofors Uniflex 2 modular charges.
The Uniflex 2IM modular charge system consists of two sizes of combustible charge cases; one full-size and one half-size case, both filled with the same type of insensitive guanylurea dinitramide (GuDN) propellant. The modular charge system allows several increments of charge to be available and increases the gun system's multiple rounds simultaneous impact (MRSI) capability and good range overlap between the increments.
With BAE Bofors / Nexter Bonus rounds the range is 35km. The range of the gun is extended to 60km with the precision-guided Raytheon / Bofors XM982 Excalibur round. The Excalibur shell is corrected in flight towards a pre-programmed trajectory by a GPS guidance system.
2. Archer can put be into action in 20 seconds and also be taken out of action in 20 seconds. Others are slower. Caesar takes a minute I believe.
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ARMY TO GET 114 DHANUSH GUNS IN THREE YEARS
Army hasn’t inducted any new gun after Bofors scandal
The Army’s quest for new artillery is nearing completion with the indigenous gun upgraded by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) clearing trials. The Army has placed an indent for 114 guns in the first phase and these will be delivered in three years, informed sources said.
“After the Pokhran fiasco with one barrel-burst, Dhanush barrels were tested in Sikkim under cold conditions and in other temperatures — and came out with flying colours. The Army is fully satisfied,” officials told The Hindu.
A Dhanush prototype suffered a barrel burst during firing trials at Pokhran in August 2013 which delayed the process.
80% Indigenous
The initial deal for 114 guns is expected to cost around Rs.1,600 crore. Pleased with the performance of the gun, the Army has given strong indications of an additional order for 481 guns, sources added.
The Dhanush is an upgraded version of the Swedish 155-mm Bofors howitzers bought by India in the mid-1980s based on the original design. It is a 155-mm, 45-calibre gun with a maximum effective range of 38 km in salvo mode compared to the 39-calibre, 27-km range of the original guns. It is 80 per cent indigenous, with the APU (auxiliary power unit), electronic dial sights and a few other small items being imported.
The Army is desperately short of new long-range artillery, having failed to induct any new gun after the Bofors scandal. Recently, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) headed by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar approved a revised proposal from BAE Systems for 145 Ultra-Light Howitzers for mountainous areas under a government-to-government deal with the United States.
Additionally last November, the DAC cleared the process for purchase of 814 mounted gun systems through the ‘Buy and Make’ category to be built by an Indian private partner in collaboration with a foreign manufacturer.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/army-to-get-114-dhanush-guns-in-three-years/article7241711.ece
Army hasn’t inducted any new gun after Bofors scandal
The Army’s quest for new artillery is nearing completion with the indigenous gun upgraded by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) clearing trials. The Army has placed an indent for 114 guns in the first phase and these will be delivered in three years, informed sources said.
“After the Pokhran fiasco with one barrel-burst, Dhanush barrels were tested in Sikkim under cold conditions and in other temperatures — and came out with flying colours. The Army is fully satisfied,” officials told The Hindu.
A Dhanush prototype suffered a barrel burst during firing trials at Pokhran in August 2013 which delayed the process.
80% Indigenous
The initial deal for 114 guns is expected to cost around Rs.1,600 crore. Pleased with the performance of the gun, the Army has given strong indications of an additional order for 481 guns, sources added.
The Dhanush is an upgraded version of the Swedish 155-mm Bofors howitzers bought by India in the mid-1980s based on the original design. It is a 155-mm, 45-calibre gun with a maximum effective range of 38 km in salvo mode compared to the 39-calibre, 27-km range of the original guns. It is 80 per cent indigenous, with the APU (auxiliary power unit), electronic dial sights and a few other small items being imported.
The Army is desperately short of new long-range artillery, having failed to induct any new gun after the Bofors scandal. Recently, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) headed by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar approved a revised proposal from BAE Systems for 145 Ultra-Light Howitzers for mountainous areas under a government-to-government deal with the United States.
Additionally last November, the DAC cleared the process for purchase of 814 mounted gun systems through the ‘Buy and Make’ category to be built by an Indian private partner in collaboration with a foreign manufacturer.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/army-to-get-114-dhanush-guns-in-three-years/article7241711.ece
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Army has given strong indications of additional order for 481 guns !!
In Fact this will be a great going if IA orders 481 more.
In Fact this will be a great going if IA orders 481 more.
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I do not trust the elite Masters of Army .... Let them officially place an order.
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FH77 and number of 120mm mortars at eastern sector ( Sikkim )
M777 is going to take place of FH77 ..
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Finally, Army To Get Its Dhanush
http://idrw.org/finally-army-to-get-its-dhanush/
SOURCE : SWARAJYAMAG
On 27th April 2015, India’s Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar, informed the parliamentary consultative committee on defence that :
“the indigenously designed and manufactured 155mm x 45mm caliber artillery gun, Dhanush, has successfully met all technical parameters during the winter and summer trials”.
Mr Parrikar said that “Dhanush incorporates many improved features than the guns which the Army is possessing at present”.
Series production will start at the Gun Carriage Factory in Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh at the rate of 3 guns per month. In March 2013, the defence ministry had placed an order worth over Rs 1,260-crore for acquisition of 114 Dhanush subject to its clearing the trials. The order will be completed within 3 years. The total requirement for this gun for the army is put at 414 and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) will be in a position to ramp up production to 100 guns a year to complete the order by 2020.
The Dhanush is an upgraded version of the scandal hit Bofors FH-77B that India bought in the 1980’s. Perhaps the effect of the scandal was so immense that India for a long time forgot it had to transfer the technology for the gun till sometime in the last decade. The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) used the blueprint of the original Bofors gun to make an upgraded, and practically, a new gun for the Indian Army.
Dhanush
The original Bofors gun used by the Indian Army is a 155mm/39 caliber gun with a range of 28 kilometers. The Dhanush developed by OFB is 155mm/45 caliber gun with a range of 38 kilometers. Caliber of a howitzer signifies the length of the barrel of the gun with respect to its bore. ‘155mm/39 caliber’ means a gun with a bore diameter of 155mm and a barrel length of 155×39 which is equal to 6045mm. A 155mm/45 caliber gun will have a barrel length of 6975mm.
The longer barrel length helps the shell of the gun to travel longer distances. The Dhanush can outgun the original Swedish Bofors 155mm howitzer in range, accuracy, reliability, angle of fire and shoot-and-scoot capabilities. Equipped with computerised fire control system, the Dhanush can fire 8 rounds a minute.
The Dhanush was first test fired in December 2011. It has about 80% indigenous content with the barrel being made by OFB. Six prototypes of the guns have been produced. The Dhanush has been tested in the deserts of Rajasthan for the summer trials where the temperature was 45*C and in Sikkim for the winter trials where the temperature was -15*C.
The Dhanush suffered a temporary setback in August 2013 when the barrel of the fourth prototype burst during tests in Pokhran, Rajasthan. Investigations revealed that the reason was not due to any problems with the quality of the barrel but due to the defective ammunition that was fired. The shell used for that test was 12 years old.
The Dhanush will be the first 155mm artillery gun acquired by India in over 25 years but it will only plug small gaps in the operational requirements of the Indian Army as only 200 of the 410 Bofors guns which performed outstandingly well in the 1999 Kargil War with Pakistan remain. The Indian army’s 1999 Field Artillery Rationalization Plan envisioned the need to acquire 2,800-3,000 various types of 155 mm howitzers by 2027.
India has since early 2000s tried a number of times to acquire them for the Army’s requirement for 1580 155mm/52 caliber towed howitzers.
After many trials, in 2003, the three competitors Bofors FH77 B05, Soltam of Israel and Denel of South Africa, failed to meet Indian Army’s specifications. In 2004, the three once again squared off with improved guns.
Soltam was eliminated when it suffered a barrel burst and Denel was out due to allegations of corruption. This left only the Bofors in a single vendor situation and soon enough another allegation of bribery eliminated it from the tender.
In 2007, India again issued a tender for towed howitzers which again got clouded with allegations of corruption. In 2011, another tender was issued and this time BAE, the owner of Bofors refused to participate citing relaxed technical and performance requirements which it felt reduced the chances of its superior gun which it improved for the Indian Army.
UPA government’s cancelation of tenders at the whiff of corruption and blacklisting of major vendors made sure India did not acquire any guns.
Things are looking brighter with the Dhanush clearing trials. Work on version 2 of the Dhanush is already in progress. It is going to be an upgraded version from the current 155mm/45 caliber to 155mm/52 caliber. This is a parallel program that the OFB has undertaken on its own and will compete with the Advanced Towed Artillery System which is a 155mm/52 caliber howitzer which is being developed by India’s Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) in association with Indian private sector companies.
Acche din for the Indian Army ahead as far as its need for 155mm howitzers are concerned.
http://idrw.org/finally-army-to-get-its-dhanush/
SOURCE : SWARAJYAMAG
On 27th April 2015, India’s Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar, informed the parliamentary consultative committee on defence that :
“the indigenously designed and manufactured 155mm x 45mm caliber artillery gun, Dhanush, has successfully met all technical parameters during the winter and summer trials”.
Mr Parrikar said that “Dhanush incorporates many improved features than the guns which the Army is possessing at present”.
Series production will start at the Gun Carriage Factory in Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh at the rate of 3 guns per month. In March 2013, the defence ministry had placed an order worth over Rs 1,260-crore for acquisition of 114 Dhanush subject to its clearing the trials. The order will be completed within 3 years. The total requirement for this gun for the army is put at 414 and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) will be in a position to ramp up production to 100 guns a year to complete the order by 2020.
The Dhanush is an upgraded version of the scandal hit Bofors FH-77B that India bought in the 1980’s. Perhaps the effect of the scandal was so immense that India for a long time forgot it had to transfer the technology for the gun till sometime in the last decade. The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) used the blueprint of the original Bofors gun to make an upgraded, and practically, a new gun for the Indian Army.
Dhanush
The original Bofors gun used by the Indian Army is a 155mm/39 caliber gun with a range of 28 kilometers. The Dhanush developed by OFB is 155mm/45 caliber gun with a range of 38 kilometers. Caliber of a howitzer signifies the length of the barrel of the gun with respect to its bore. ‘155mm/39 caliber’ means a gun with a bore diameter of 155mm and a barrel length of 155×39 which is equal to 6045mm. A 155mm/45 caliber gun will have a barrel length of 6975mm.
The longer barrel length helps the shell of the gun to travel longer distances. The Dhanush can outgun the original Swedish Bofors 155mm howitzer in range, accuracy, reliability, angle of fire and shoot-and-scoot capabilities. Equipped with computerised fire control system, the Dhanush can fire 8 rounds a minute.
The Dhanush was first test fired in December 2011. It has about 80% indigenous content with the barrel being made by OFB. Six prototypes of the guns have been produced. The Dhanush has been tested in the deserts of Rajasthan for the summer trials where the temperature was 45*C and in Sikkim for the winter trials where the temperature was -15*C.
The Dhanush suffered a temporary setback in August 2013 when the barrel of the fourth prototype burst during tests in Pokhran, Rajasthan. Investigations revealed that the reason was not due to any problems with the quality of the barrel but due to the defective ammunition that was fired. The shell used for that test was 12 years old.
The Dhanush will be the first 155mm artillery gun acquired by India in over 25 years but it will only plug small gaps in the operational requirements of the Indian Army as only 200 of the 410 Bofors guns which performed outstandingly well in the 1999 Kargil War with Pakistan remain. The Indian army’s 1999 Field Artillery Rationalization Plan envisioned the need to acquire 2,800-3,000 various types of 155 mm howitzers by 2027.
India has since early 2000s tried a number of times to acquire them for the Army’s requirement for 1580 155mm/52 caliber towed howitzers.
After many trials, in 2003, the three competitors Bofors FH77 B05, Soltam of Israel and Denel of South Africa, failed to meet Indian Army’s specifications. In 2004, the three once again squared off with improved guns.
Soltam was eliminated when it suffered a barrel burst and Denel was out due to allegations of corruption. This left only the Bofors in a single vendor situation and soon enough another allegation of bribery eliminated it from the tender.
In 2007, India again issued a tender for towed howitzers which again got clouded with allegations of corruption. In 2011, another tender was issued and this time BAE, the owner of Bofors refused to participate citing relaxed technical and performance requirements which it felt reduced the chances of its superior gun which it improved for the Indian Army.
UPA government’s cancelation of tenders at the whiff of corruption and blacklisting of major vendors made sure India did not acquire any guns.
Things are looking brighter with the Dhanush clearing trials. Work on version 2 of the Dhanush is already in progress. It is going to be an upgraded version from the current 155mm/45 caliber to 155mm/52 caliber. This is a parallel program that the OFB has undertaken on its own and will compete with the Advanced Towed Artillery System which is a 155mm/52 caliber howitzer which is being developed by India’s Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) in association with Indian private sector companies.
Acche din for the Indian Army ahead as far as its need for 155mm howitzers are concerned.
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₹15,000-CR GUN DEAL IN L&T, KALYANI CROSSHAIRS
Contract involves supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army
Kalyani Group company Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) and L&T are the only two Indian companies currently in contention for the towed artillery gun pie that is valued at around ₹15,000 crore.
Field trials for the 155-mm/52 caliber gun — one from the KSSL subsidiary BF-Elbit JV and the other from L&T and French defence major Nexter teaming — are nearing completion and the winner of the order is expected to be declared over the next few months.
The contract involves the supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army, including 1,100 that must be produced indigenously under the ‘Make-in-India’ initiative.
The indigenous manufacture is expected to cut the cost of a gun by at least 25 per cent. The other 400 are to be delivered as complete units from the relevant overseas JV partner in three years’ time.
KSSL has set up a facility that can make 150 guns at Pune and also has land at Jejuri in Maharashtra where a new BF-Elbit facility will be established, Kalyani group Chairman Baba Kalyani told BusinessLine.
5-Gun Program
The Pune-based KSSL is participating in three (of four) artillery gun programs announced by the Indian government in partnership with Elbit, and is also currently making two guns entirely on its own. At Mundhwa near Pune, what was formerly a heat treatment shop is now a facility for making barrels, breeches and muzzles, making it the only private sector company, and only the second one in the country, apart from Ordnance Factory Board in Kanpur, to have this capability.
The machines imported from RUAG, Switzerland, can produce barrels up to 9 m in length, while the rifling and autofrettage machines can make bores ranging from 105-155 mm.
The raw material for the barrel — a highly specialised steel alloy — is sourced from the neighbouring facility Kalyani Carpenter Special Steels.
In an adjoining shop stand prototypes of artillery guns, including the Bharat52, a 155-mm/52 caliber gun (8m long barrel) with a range of 42 km. It sits on a 12-m, wheeled platform that can be driven for distances up to 60 km and can attain speeds of up to 25 km per hour.
Both gun and platform have been designed and developed indigenously by KSSL, the company under which all of the Kalyani Group’s defence JVs – three as of now with Elbit, Rafael (both Israel-based companies) and Premier Explosives (Hyderabad) operate.
There are at least two more alliances with foreign partners in the pipeline. The second KSSL product in the shop is the Garuda a 1.4 ton, 105/37 soft recoil gun.
With the Indian Government standardising 155 mm bore for guns, this programme undertaken in association with the Indian Army, aims to re-utilise the components of the existing light field gun that is being phased out. “Both these guns are ready. While Bharat52 will go for track trials, Garuda will go for field trials to Deolali soon,” says Col Rajinder Bhatia, President & CEO, Defence and Aerospace, Bharat Forge, and Chairman of KSSL.
After the 155/39 Bofors gun controversy, the Indian Army has had zero acquisition of modern artillery systems and suffers from an acute shortage of them.
“There are over 200 artillery regiments, each requiring guns, so the requirement is for at least 3,000 guns, the vast majority of which is towed guns,” explains Lt Gen (Retd) Surendra Kulkarni, who recently retired as Director-General, Mechanized Forces.
“With each gun costing in the region of ₹10 crore, the value of any contract, including lifetime support, will run into thousands of crores.
“The Kalyanis have a head start, but other conglomerates could also come into the fray - the Adanis or Ambanis, for instance, each of whom could have a foreign partner,” he says.
The government policy review could even bring in foreign collaborations for OFB and the DRDO, he points out.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...l-in-lt-kalyani-crosshairs/article7302404.ece
Contract involves supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army
Kalyani Group company Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) and L&T are the only two Indian companies currently in contention for the towed artillery gun pie that is valued at around ₹15,000 crore.
Field trials for the 155-mm/52 caliber gun — one from the KSSL subsidiary BF-Elbit JV and the other from L&T and French defence major Nexter teaming — are nearing completion and the winner of the order is expected to be declared over the next few months.
The contract involves the supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army, including 1,100 that must be produced indigenously under the ‘Make-in-India’ initiative.
The indigenous manufacture is expected to cut the cost of a gun by at least 25 per cent. The other 400 are to be delivered as complete units from the relevant overseas JV partner in three years’ time.
KSSL has set up a facility that can make 150 guns at Pune and also has land at Jejuri in Maharashtra where a new BF-Elbit facility will be established, Kalyani group Chairman Baba Kalyani told BusinessLine.
5-Gun Program
The Pune-based KSSL is participating in three (of four) artillery gun programs announced by the Indian government in partnership with Elbit, and is also currently making two guns entirely on its own. At Mundhwa near Pune, what was formerly a heat treatment shop is now a facility for making barrels, breeches and muzzles, making it the only private sector company, and only the second one in the country, apart from Ordnance Factory Board in Kanpur, to have this capability.
The machines imported from RUAG, Switzerland, can produce barrels up to 9 m in length, while the rifling and autofrettage machines can make bores ranging from 105-155 mm.
The raw material for the barrel — a highly specialised steel alloy — is sourced from the neighbouring facility Kalyani Carpenter Special Steels.
In an adjoining shop stand prototypes of artillery guns, including the Bharat52, a 155-mm/52 caliber gun (8m long barrel) with a range of 42 km. It sits on a 12-m, wheeled platform that can be driven for distances up to 60 km and can attain speeds of up to 25 km per hour.
Both gun and platform have been designed and developed indigenously by KSSL, the company under which all of the Kalyani Group’s defence JVs – three as of now with Elbit, Rafael (both Israel-based companies) and Premier Explosives (Hyderabad) operate.
There are at least two more alliances with foreign partners in the pipeline. The second KSSL product in the shop is the Garuda a 1.4 ton, 105/37 soft recoil gun.
With the Indian Government standardising 155 mm bore for guns, this programme undertaken in association with the Indian Army, aims to re-utilise the components of the existing light field gun that is being phased out. “Both these guns are ready. While Bharat52 will go for track trials, Garuda will go for field trials to Deolali soon,” says Col Rajinder Bhatia, President & CEO, Defence and Aerospace, Bharat Forge, and Chairman of KSSL.
After the 155/39 Bofors gun controversy, the Indian Army has had zero acquisition of modern artillery systems and suffers from an acute shortage of them.
“There are over 200 artillery regiments, each requiring guns, so the requirement is for at least 3,000 guns, the vast majority of which is towed guns,” explains Lt Gen (Retd) Surendra Kulkarni, who recently retired as Director-General, Mechanized Forces.
“With each gun costing in the region of ₹10 crore, the value of any contract, including lifetime support, will run into thousands of crores.
“The Kalyanis have a head start, but other conglomerates could also come into the fray - the Adanis or Ambanis, for instance, each of whom could have a foreign partner,” he says.
The government policy review could even bring in foreign collaborations for OFB and the DRDO, he points out.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...l-in-lt-kalyani-crosshairs/article7302404.ece
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₹15,000-CR GUN DEAL IN L&T, KALYANI CROSSHAIRS
Contract involves supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army
Kalyani Group company Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) and L&T are the only two Indian companies currently in contention for the towed artillery gun pie that is valued at around ₹15,000 crore.
Field trials for the 155-mm/52 caliber gun — one from the KSSL subsidiary BF-Elbit JV and the other from L&T and French defence major Nexter teaming — are nearing completion and the winner of the order is expected to be declared over the next few months.
The contract involves the supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army, including 1,100 that must be produced indigenously under the ‘Make-in-India’ initiative.
The indigenous manufacture is expected to cut the cost of a gun by at least 25 per cent. The other 400 are to be delivered as complete units from the relevant overseas JV partner in three years’ time.
KSSL has set up a facility that can make 150 guns at Pune and also has land at Jejuri in Maharashtra where a new BF-Elbit facility will be established, Kalyani group Chairman Baba Kalyani told BusinessLine.
5-Gun Program
The Pune-based KSSL is participating in three (of four) artillery gun programs announced by the Indian government in partnership with Elbit, and is also currently making two guns entirely on its own. At Mundhwa near Pune, what was formerly a heat treatment shop is now a facility for making barrels, breeches and muzzles, making it the only private sector company, and only the second one in the country, apart from Ordnance Factory Board in Kanpur, to have this capability.
The machines imported from RUAG, Switzerland, can produce barrels up to 9 m in length, while the rifling and autofrettage machines can make bores ranging from 105-155 mm.
The raw material for the barrel — a highly specialised steel alloy — is sourced from the neighbouring facility Kalyani Carpenter Special Steels.
In an adjoining shop stand prototypes of artillery guns, including the Bharat52, a 155-mm/52 caliber gun (8m long barrel) with a range of 42 km. It sits on a 12-m, wheeled platform that can be driven for distances up to 60 km and can attain speeds of up to 25 km per hour.
Both gun and platform have been designed and developed indigenously by KSSL, the company under which all of the Kalyani Group’s defence JVs – three as of now with Elbit, Rafael (both Israel-based companies) and Premier Explosives (Hyderabad) operate.
There are at least two more alliances with foreign partners in the pipeline. The second KSSL product in the shop is the Garuda a 1.4 ton, 105/37 soft recoil gun.
With the Indian Government standardising 155 mm bore for guns, this programme undertaken in association with the Indian Army, aims to re-utilise the components of the existing light field gun that is being phased out. “Both these guns are ready. While Bharat52 will go for track trials, Garuda will go for field trials to Deolali soon,” says Col Rajinder Bhatia, President & CEO, Defence and Aerospace, Bharat Forge, and Chairman of KSSL.
After the 155/39 Bofors gun controversy, the Indian Army has had zero acquisition of modern artillery systems and suffers from an acute shortage of them.
“There are over 200 artillery regiments, each requiring guns, so the requirement is for at least 3,000 guns, the vast majority of which is towed guns,” explains Lt Gen (Retd) Surendra Kulkarni, who recently retired as Director-General, Mechanized Forces.
“With each gun costing in the region of ₹10 crore, the value of any contract, including lifetime support, will run into thousands of crores.
“The Kalyanis have a head start, but other conglomerates could also come into the fray - the Adanis or Ambanis, for instance, each of whom could have a foreign partner,” he says.
The government policy review could even bring in foreign collaborations for OFB and the DRDO, he points out.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...l-in-lt-kalyani-crosshairs/article7302404.ece
Contract involves supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army
Kalyani Group company Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) and L&T are the only two Indian companies currently in contention for the towed artillery gun pie that is valued at around ₹15,000 crore.
Field trials for the 155-mm/52 caliber gun — one from the KSSL subsidiary BF-Elbit JV and the other from L&T and French defence major Nexter teaming — are nearing completion and the winner of the order is expected to be declared over the next few months.
The contract involves the supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army, including 1,100 that must be produced indigenously under the ‘Make-in-India’ initiative.
The indigenous manufacture is expected to cut the cost of a gun by at least 25 per cent. The other 400 are to be delivered as complete units from the relevant overseas JV partner in three years’ time.
KSSL has set up a facility that can make 150 guns at Pune and also has land at Jejuri in Maharashtra where a new BF-Elbit facility will be established, Kalyani group Chairman Baba Kalyani told BusinessLine.
5-Gun Program
The Pune-based KSSL is participating in three (of four) artillery gun programs announced by the Indian government in partnership with Elbit, and is also currently making two guns entirely on its own. At Mundhwa near Pune, what was formerly a heat treatment shop is now a facility for making barrels, breeches and muzzles, making it the only private sector company, and only the second one in the country, apart from Ordnance Factory Board in Kanpur, to have this capability.
The machines imported from RUAG, Switzerland, can produce barrels up to 9 m in length, while the rifling and autofrettage machines can make bores ranging from 105-155 mm.
The raw material for the barrel — a highly specialised steel alloy — is sourced from the neighbouring facility Kalyani Carpenter Special Steels.
In an adjoining shop stand prototypes of artillery guns, including the Bharat52, a 155-mm/52 caliber gun (8m long barrel) with a range of 42 km. It sits on a 12-m, wheeled platform that can be driven for distances up to 60 km and can attain speeds of up to 25 km per hour.
Both gun and platform have been designed and developed indigenously by KSSL, the company under which all of the Kalyani Group’s defence JVs – three as of now with Elbit, Rafael (both Israel-based companies) and Premier Explosives (Hyderabad) operate.
There are at least two more alliances with foreign partners in the pipeline. The second KSSL product in the shop is the Garuda a 1.4 ton, 105/37 soft recoil gun.
With the Indian Government standardising 155 mm bore for guns, this programme undertaken in association with the Indian Army, aims to re-utilise the components of the existing light field gun that is being phased out. “Both these guns are ready. While Bharat52 will go for track trials, Garuda will go for field trials to Deolali soon,” says Col Rajinder Bhatia, President & CEO, Defence and Aerospace, Bharat Forge, and Chairman of KSSL.
After the 155/39 Bofors gun controversy, the Indian Army has had zero acquisition of modern artillery systems and suffers from an acute shortage of them.
“There are over 200 artillery regiments, each requiring guns, so the requirement is for at least 3,000 guns, the vast majority of which is towed guns,” explains Lt Gen (Retd) Surendra Kulkarni, who recently retired as Director-General, Mechanized Forces.
“With each gun costing in the region of ₹10 crore, the value of any contract, including lifetime support, will run into thousands of crores.
“The Kalyanis have a head start, but other conglomerates could also come into the fray - the Adanis or Ambanis, for instance, each of whom could have a foreign partner,” he says.
The government policy review could even bring in foreign collaborations for OFB and the DRDO, he points out.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...l-in-lt-kalyani-crosshairs/article7302404.ece
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₹15,000-CR GUN DEAL IN L&T, KALYANI CROSSHAIRS
Contract involves supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army
Kalyani Group company Kalyani Strategic Systems Ltd (KSSL) and L&T are the only two Indian companies currently in contention for the towed artillery gun pie that is valued at around ₹15,000 crore.
Field trials for the 155-mm/52 caliber gun — one from the KSSL subsidiary BF-Elbit JV and the other from L&T and French defence major Nexter teaming — are nearing completion and the winner of the order is expected to be declared over the next few months.
The contract involves the supply of 1,500 towed artillery guns for the Indian Army, including 1,100 that must be produced indigenously under the ‘Make-in-India’ initiative.
The indigenous manufacture is expected to cut the cost of a gun by at least 25 per cent. The other 400 are to be delivered as complete units from the relevant overseas JV partner in three years’ time.
KSSL has set up a facility that can make 150 guns at Pune and also has land at Jejuri in Maharashtra where a new BF-Elbit facility will be established, Kalyani group Chairman Baba Kalyani told BusinessLine.
5-Gun Program
The Pune-based KSSL is participating in three (of four) artillery gun programs announced by the Indian government in partnership with Elbit, and is also currently making two guns entirely on its own. At Mundhwa near Pune, what was formerly a heat treatment shop is now a facility for making barrels, breeches and muzzles, making it the only private sector company, and only the second one in the country, apart from Ordnance Factory Board in Kanpur, to have this capability.
The machines imported from RUAG, Switzerland, can produce barrels up to 9 m in length, while the rifling and autofrettage machines can make bores ranging from 105-155 mm.
The raw material for the barrel — a highly specialised steel alloy — is sourced from the neighbouring facility Kalyani Carpenter Special Steels.
In an adjoining shop stand prototypes of artillery guns, including the Bharat52, a 155-mm/52 caliber gun (8m long barrel) with a range of 42 km. It sits on a 12-m, wheeled platform that can be driven for distances up to 60 km and can attain speeds of up to 25 km per hour.
Both gun and platform have been designed and developed indigenously by KSSL, the company under which all of the Kalyani Group’s defence JVs – three as of now with Elbit, Rafael (both Israel-based companies) and Premier Explosives (Hyderabad) operate.
There are at least two more alliances with foreign partners in the pipeline. The second KSSL product in the shop is the Garuda a 1.4 ton, 105/37 soft recoil gun.
With the Indian Government standardising 155 mm bore for guns, this programme undertaken in association with the Indian Army, aims to re-utilise the components of the existing light field gun that is being phased out. “Both these guns are ready. While Bharat52 will go for track trials, Garuda will go for field trials to Deolali soon,” says Col Rajinder Bhatia, President & CEO, Defence and Aerospace, Bharat Forge, and Chairman of KSSL.
After the 155/39 Bofors gun controversy, the Indian Army has had zero acquisition of modern artillery systems and suffers from an acute shortage of them.
“There are over 200 artillery regiments, each requiring guns, so the requirement is for at least 3,000 guns, the vast majority of which is towed guns,” explains Lt Gen (Retd) Surendra Kulkarni, who recently retired as Director-General, Mechanized Forces.
“With each gun costing in the region of ₹10 crore, the value of any contract, including lifetime support, will run into thousands of crores.
“The Kalyanis have a head start, but other conglomerates could also come into the fray - the Adanis or Ambanis, for instance, each of whom could have a foreign partner,” he says.
The government policy review could even bring in foreign collaborations for OFB and the DRDO, he points out.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...l-in-lt-kalyani-crosshairs/article7302404.ece
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