Indian Army Artillery

[Ray]

Again Mt. Sinolchu could be a hurdle.

Mt. Sinolchu is situated near the green lake adjacent to Kangchenjunga.

How would it prove a challenge? Mt. Sinolchu will be to the West.

The C-17 can operate on paved or semi-prepared airfields and matting.

And then we have slotted runway panels.

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[brational]

Mt. Sinolchu is situated near the green lake adjacent to

This is what the checkpost guy told us. It seems words from Army Guys too require to be verified. [emoji16]

 

[brational]

@blueblood

Nice photographs of Bumla bowl ... anything on Assam Hill. but those are not gun areas but LAC and why should any one take guns there unless Indian Army is 20 km inside Tibet and they need fire support.

Right, you don't need them near LAC, but there is already a IFG deployed area near Bumla (Won't Name it). Altitude is almost the same..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I can`t say what exact use for para but its possible for Air-defence, Para personals in unit strength get their training at respective institute for using and deploying such systems ..

What is the tactical use of Zu 23 in a Para action?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their are plenty of 105mm batteries, Including 155mm batteries with 120mm motars ..

Right, you don't need them near LAC, but there is already a IFG deployed area near Bumla (Won't Name it). Altitude is almost the same..

 

[blueblood]

So how many sorties will you ply to assemble a m777 considering Gurudongmar at 17200ft and Bumla at 14700 ft (considering fly pass far above the said altitude)

Bomdi-la is not a disvisional HQ. Probably it is Tenga. Another 50 km downhill towards tezpur.

How many do you think will be too much to handle for the world's fourth largest air force or the second largest army?

How many many batteries do you think IA is going to need there and why?

My guess is two or three each.

How many self propelled mounted guns IA intend to procure which can be used on these motorable passes and lakes?

Answer : 814 mounted gun systems.

@blueblood

Nice photographs of Bumla bowl ... anything on Assam Hill. but those are not gun areas but LAC and why should any one take guns there unless Indian Army is 20 km inside Tibet and they need fire support.

Thanks

No, but do you?

If these are not the gun areas then please enlighten us which are and why?

And if you cannot provide a concrete answer, how about we talk about something you know instead of something that exists in your imagination?

 

[blueblood]

Their are plenty of 105mm batteries, Including 155mm batteries with 120mm motars ..

True, LFG units will be placed in reserves. If by some freak accident M777 cannot be mobilized to the desired location, LFGs will do the job.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

M777 is true replacement for FH-77 of 39cal over mountain areas, But like FH-77, M777 has a same problem is the size if not the weight and mobility, Out here M777 ( Previously FH77 ) has its place and IFG so does heavy mortars ,M777 deployment will be better than FH77

IFG is lighter and more mobile system, They can be disassemble in parts and carried via light helicopter or regular IA trucks the same cannot be done with M777, M777 is here a heavy artillery as its size and volume of firepower and range speaks, Though it can be called light compare to other 155mm guns..

IFG is light artillery lot better system than D30s that opposition forces have in both range, Size and weight at very remote locations with very little place to work around, Over these places IFG range out range both D30 and 120 mortars with better accuracy ..

Here, the combination of M777 with IFG and 120mm motars beats up the combination of D30 and 120mm mortars so does light 106mm MRLS, At present the requirement is at least 145x3 units ..

True, LFG units will be placed in reserves.

 

[Bhadra]

IFG / LFG can be carried by mules ?? Revelation for me !! or was one a little high

Which mule on earth can carry 4m long and 470 kg barrel ? or one wishes to break the barrel in eight parts and then four mules will carry it ?

And then how many mules will be required to carry a battery ?

Does Indian Army still has Mule MA ??

 

[Bhadra]

Carrying Capacity Of Transport. —The authorised loads for animal transport in plains excluding weight of saddlery, line gear and un-expended portion of the day's ration are as under: —
(a) Mules GS 72 - kg

(b) Mountain Artillery mules 145 ,,
(c) Camel 181 ,,
(d) Animal transport cart 363 ,,

The load carrying capacity of mules in mountainous terrain will be decided by the Formation Commander in consultation with the Officer Commanding Arty/AT unit, depending on the gradients and terrain.

Officers Commanding units are responsible that animals are not overloaded or ill-treated. Animals will always be unloaded when crossing rivers in boats.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Mules don`t carry 105mm guns, The rest remain same and unchanged as told ..

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[Bhadra]

Mules carries from 120 mm motars to 105mm guns in parts ..

Should pay visit to library sometimes, Will improve your knowledge ..

Jabardasti...

Show me a link..

Mules MA do carry 120mm Mors
Mules do carry 75/25 pack How
But - 105 mm .. out of imagination ... writing a new manual ??
Which library are you referring to - DGQA??

 

[ALBY]

PARA units have their own Artillery and AD which are heli-dropped, The practice is common in Indian Army ..

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/indian-army-artillery.5115/page-70

This was posted not long ago, It seems you knew about this and asking same question back ..

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Go back in the thread,Authentic notes are posted here from Kargil War regarding the use of Guns including 105mm and Gunners success ..

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The difference between Gun and Howitzers and its relation with Indian 105mm guns, Read and Learn >>



Indian 105mm IFG is "gun-howitzer" sharing properties of both Gun and Howitzer ..

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The reason you get infraction is because you trolled too much ..

@pmaitra

Is that PARA field regiment?It comes under artillery and not the SF.

 

[Bhadra]

Mules don`t carry 105mm guns, The rest remain same and unchanged as told ..

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[Kunal Biswas]

Upgrading India's artillery: Private firms eye greater share in ultralight gun manufacture

The US-based BAE is selecting an Indian partner to assemble imported kits into M777 guns. This would be done in an “Assembly, Integration and Testing (AIT) facility”, using tools and assembly jigs shipped to India from BAE’s now-shuttered assembly line in Hattiesburg, USA. India’s increasingly capable private defence firms are pushing for more “Make in India” than BAE Systems Inc (BAE) has proposed in the forthcoming contract for 145 M777 ultra-light guns for the army.

“To promote ‘Make in India’, the M777 gun contract must involve indigenous component manufacture, not just putting it together from imported kits”, says Rajinder Bhatia, defence business chief of the Kalyani Group.To be sure, manufacturing M777 components presents a technology challenge. They are built largely of titanium, which reduces their weight to just 4.2 tonnes, much lighter than conventional, steel 155-millimetre guns that weigh 10 tonnes. This allows the 39-calibre M777 guns to be transported easily, even heli-lifted, over the difficult mountain terrain on India’s northern borders.

BAE is talking to several firms, including Larsen & Toubro (L&T); Tata Power (Strategic Engineering Division); Punj Lloyd; the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB); the Kalyani Group, and others.Chief executive officers (CEOs) from three of these companies tell Business Standard that integrating the gun at an Indian AIT facility would be worth no more than 5 per cent of the contract amount, i.e. about Rs 230 crore.They say, given Indian industry’s capability to manufacture gun barrels, breeches and components, it is tokenism to confine “Make in India” to just an AIT facility. They say the defence ministry --- being the world’s biggest buyer of artillery guns --- should leverage this position to extract more indigenisation from BAE.

The current 145-gun tender would equip only 6-7 artillery regiments belonging to two newly raised mountain divisions. This is only a small part of the army’s need for light 155-millimetre guns in 50-plus artillery regiments in 16 mountain divisions. This 1,000-gun order would be a lip-smacking prospect that would entice BAE to offer far higher indigenisation.“Mr Modi threw out the procurement procedure in buying Rafale fighters from France. Similarly, by deviating from the M777 tender and insisting upon higher indigenisation in exchange for a 1000-gun contract, ‘Make in India’ could be galvanised in gun production”, says an Indian defence company CEO.

India is buying the M777 through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme. In this the MoD is the buyer and the Pentagon is the seller, negotiating terms with the supplier (in this case BAE), and charging the customer a small fee.


The cost of the M777 has risen steadily, as evident from successive notifications that BAE has provided the US Congress. In January 26, 2010, the contract price was $647 million, which rose marginally in March 2013 to $694 million. On August 7, 2013, the Pentagon notified the US Congress that the contract was worth “up to $885 million”. Company sources say that, without significant delay, the deal would be signed at about $700-750 million.


Source : http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2015/05/upgrading-indias-artillery-private.html

 

[Kunal Biswas]

So, This deal will go for 145, But 1000 is very unlikely ..

 

[brational]

Whether we produce 155mm Arty shells & Guided shells indigenously?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

We already produce our own 155mm shells after 1999 kargil war in mass ..

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Their are limited amount of Guided shells in arsanal, Besides that their is work going on for home design GPS, INS guided 155mm rounds ..

@sayareakd Sir, @Twinblade ..

Whether we produce 155mm Arty shells & Guided shells indigenously?

 

[The enlightened]

We already produce our own 155mm shells after 1999 kargil war in mass ..

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Their are limited amount of Guided shells in arsanal, Besides that their is work going on for home design GPS, INS guided 155mm rounds ..

@sayareakd Sir, @Twinblade ..

About 814 wheeled tender. Is Archer on the cards, or are our requirements different? Coz with Archer, we basically get the same gun - FH-77B.

 

[blueblood]

About 814 wheeled tender. Is Archer on the cards, or are our requirements different? Coz with Archer, we basically get the same gun - FH-77B.

814 is the MGS tender, i.e mounted guns not wheeled. Archer is most likely a contender for MGS but not a very good choice. AFAIK, there is no manual operation if the automatic system breaks down and 21 round magazine is too low for Indian scenario.