Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[Bahamut]

Yeah , Kremlin is helping us secretly in many other secret projects for which the payment comes indirectly in the form of more tank purchases. For example the Kudankulam project also pays for Russian help in designing the nuclear submarine.

Get some tech from T 14 also, may be army can get few for trails to see want they want in the future indigenous tank in term of new technology

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their is everything available in India itself and ways to get, Their is no technology that we need to learn from ..

 

[Saumyasupraik]

So Army Day 2017 revealed that the T-72M1 CIA had been upgraded with Elop-ADT TIFCS. 1000 were ordered.


Note the sights, they are bulkier than before. Interestingly the IR Illuminator has been retained.

Also I guess the BMP-2 in this photo has been upgraded with the Elop-ADT TISK of which 970 were ordered. I might be wrong though and this might just be an unupgraded Sarath.

 

[Prashant12]

Disappointing private industry, MoD handing Rs 5,000 crore BMP-2 upgrade to Ordnance Factory Board

On Tuesday, in a negative signal that will resonate discouragingly through India’s private defence industry, the ministry of defence (MoD) plans to kill competitive tendering for a Rs 5,000 crore project to upgrade the army’s 1,500 BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles (ICVs). Instead the project is being gifted to the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), without competition.

Capable private firms like Larsen & Toubro, Tata Motors, the Mahindras, Reliance Defence and Alpha Design Technology Ltd (ADTL) are being entrusted with designing, developing and manufacturing a high-tech Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) for the army, a “Make in India” contract about to be awarded. But they have been eliminated, without explanation, from the relatively simple task of upgrading the BMP-2 to grant it a lease of life until the FICV enters service.

This despite repeated assurances from Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar that he will treat private defence firms as partners on par with defence public sector undertakings (DPSUs) and the OFB. Successive Defence Procurement Policies (DPPs) have promised a “level playing field” for the private sector. Prime Minister Narendra Modi too has exhorted private industry to spearhead “Make in India” in defence.

Despite the MoD’s “nomination” of the OFB for the BMP-2 upgrade, private defence firms are fighting to remain in the fray. On Friday, industry chamber, Ficci, wrote to the MoD, requesting permission for industry to present its case at a crucial Tuesday meeting of the Services Capital Acquisition Plan Categorization Higher Committee (SCAPCHC), which will rule on who will upgrade the BMP-2.
After silence from the ministry, industry representatives met MoD officials on Monday afternoon to press their case. Sources say permission has been granted.

“If the ministry hands the OFB the BMP-2 upgrade on a platter, it will prove what we have always feared --- that we will always get step-motherly treatment because there is no political will to expose the DPSUs and OFB to market competition”, says a private industry CEO, bitterly.

The BMP-2, which the Indian Army calls the Sarath, is a tracked, armoured vehicle that carries three crewmembers and a “stick” of seven fully armed infantrymen. It can move cross-country at 45 kilometres per hour, keeping up with tanks and providing mechanised formations with mobile infantry to occupy the ground that tanks overrun.

Since the BMP-2 upgrade was first announced last March, it was to be a competitive programme featuring the private sector. Between March-June 2016, the army issued four separate Requests for Information (RFIs), soliciting interest from private firms in fitting the BMP-2 with a new, more powerful engine than its current 300 Horse Power engine; increasing its firepower with newer, more capable gun controls and electronics; and fitting a more modern, accurate anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) than the old Konkurs missiles it currently carries.

More than 20 private defence companies responded to the RFIs of May-June 2016, many of them having already built up technological capabilities and infrastructure for the FICV development project, a separate Rs 50,000 crore tender under the “Make” category. They offered to upgrade the BMPs within three years, with indigenisation of at least 50 per cent. Yet, these were ruled out to make way for the OFB.

Contacted by Business Standard to explain the rationale for privileging the OFB, the MoD has not responded.

Meanwhile, since late 2015, the army has pursued a separate proposal to indigenously upgrade the BMP-2’s power pack --- which includes the engine and transmission. It is unclear how, if at all, this relates to the current BMP-2 upgrade project.

India has operated BMP-1 and BMP-2 ICVs since the early 1980s. Russia has been persuading New Delhi to buy its readily available new BMP-3 ICV, rather than going in for the FICV. But the MoD has stuck to the path of indigenisation.

“The opportunity to upgrade the BMP-2 will hone our abilities to deliver the FICV. We will request the MoD one last time on Tuesday to provide a level playing field to the private sector, as successive DPPs have stipulated”, says a private sector official.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2017/01/disappointing-private-industry-mod.html

 

[wuzetian]

Their is everything available in India itself and ways to get, Their is no technology that we need to learn from ..

I hope u r talking of only Tank tech , not SCB or BLISK of Kaveri engine [emoji13]

 

[wuzetian]

So Army Day 2017 revealed that the T-72M1 CIA had been upgraded with Elop-ADT TIFCS. 1000 were ordered.


Note the sights, they are bulkier than before. Interestingly the IR Illuminator has been retained.

Also I guess the BMP-2 in this photo has been upgraded with the Elop-ADT TISK of which 970 were ordered. I might be wrong though and this might just be an unupgraded Sarath.

Are these Arjun Mk2 of the Army ??

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Upgrading BMP-2 have nothing related to FICV tender under Private CO ..

Its not 5,000 crore deal but 8,000, When this deal was done their were lot of opposition which was quite justified ..

Disappointing private industry, MoD handing Rs 5,000 crore BMP-2 upgrade to Ordnance Factory Board

On Tuesday, in a negative signal that will resonate discouragingly through India’s private defence industry, the ministry of defence (MoD) plans to kill competitive tendering for a Rs 5,000 crore project to upgrade the army’s 1,500 BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles (ICVs). Instead the project is being gifted to the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), without competition.

Capable private firms like Larsen & Toubro, Tata Motors, the Mahindras, Reliance Defence and Alpha Design Technology Ltd (ADTL) are being entrusted with designing, developing and manufacturing a high-tech Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) for the army, a “Make in India” contract about to be awarded. But they have been eliminated, without explanation, from the relatively simple task of upgrading the BMP-2 to grant it a lease of life until the FICV enters service.

This despite repeated assurances from Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar that he will treat private defence firms as partners on par with defence public sector undertakings (DPSUs) and the OFB. Successive Defence Procurement Policies (DPPs) have promised a “level playing field” for the private sector. Prime Minister Narendra Modi too has exhorted private industry to spearhead “Make in India” in defence.

Despite the MoD’s “nomination” of the OFB for the BMP-2 upgrade, private defence firms are fighting to remain in the fray. On Friday, industry chamber, Ficci, wrote to the MoD, requesting permission for industry to present its case at a crucial Tuesday meeting of the Services Capital Acquisition Plan Categorization Higher Committee (SCAPCHC), which will rule on who will upgrade the BMP-2.
After silence from the ministry, industry representatives met MoD officials on Monday afternoon to press their case. Sources say permission has been granted.

“If the ministry hands the OFB the BMP-2 upgrade on a platter, it will prove what we have always feared --- that we will always get step-motherly treatment because there is no political will to expose the DPSUs and OFB to market competition”, says a private industry CEO, bitterly.

The BMP-2, which the Indian Army calls the Sarath, is a tracked, armoured vehicle that carries three crewmembers and a “stick” of seven fully armed infantrymen. It can move cross-country at 45 kilometres per hour, keeping up with tanks and providing mechanised formations with mobile infantry to occupy the ground that tanks overrun.

Since the BMP-2 upgrade was first announced last March, it was to be a competitive programme featuring the private sector. Between March-June 2016, the army issued four separate Requests for Information (RFIs), soliciting interest from private firms in fitting the BMP-2 with a new, more powerful engine than its current 300 Horse Power engine; increasing its firepower with newer, more capable gun controls and electronics; and fitting a more modern, accurate anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) than the old Konkurs missiles it currently carries.

More than 20 private defence companies responded to the RFIs of May-June 2016, many of them having already built up technological capabilities and infrastructure for the FICV development project, a separate Rs 50,000 crore tender under the “Make” category. They offered to upgrade the BMPs within three years, with indigenisation of at least 50 per cent. Yet, these were ruled out to make way for the OFB.

Contacted by Business Standard to explain the rationale for privileging the OFB, the MoD has not responded.

Meanwhile, since late 2015, the army has pursued a separate proposal to indigenously upgrade the BMP-2’s power pack --- which includes the engine and transmission. It is unclear how, if at all, this relates to the current BMP-2 upgrade project.

India has operated BMP-1 and BMP-2 ICVs since the early 1980s. Russia has been persuading New Delhi to buy its readily available new BMP-3 ICV, rather than going in for the FICV. But the MoD has stuck to the path of indigenisation.

“The opportunity to upgrade the BMP-2 will hone our abilities to deliver the FICV. We will request the MoD one last time on Tuesday to provide a level playing field to the private sector, as successive DPPs have stipulated”, says a private sector official.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2017/01/disappointing-private-industry-mod.html

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I am talking in Indian Army Armored vehicle thread, Anything else should be an off-topic ..

I hope u r talking of only Tank tech , not SCB or BLISK of Kaveri engine [emoji13]

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Are these Arjun Mk2 of the Army ??

i am pretty sure these are not mk2 but t72

 

[Bornubus]

Get some tech from T 14 also, may be army can get few for trails to see want they want in the future indigenous tank in term of new technology

They didn't gave us Gun barrel TOT for T series Tank why would they give us TOT for T 14


But throw some $$ they will be more than ready to sell Armata or even Putin's GF

 

[Bahamut]

Their is everything available in India itself and ways to get, Their is no technology that we need to learn from ..

There is some use tech like the inbuilt drone the tank has, also the AI and machine learning component . Plus the army can just look and see what it want in the future tank fleet. I am not see to buy it, just send some army personal to look at the new tank so the get a idea and if the army find that some technology are worth it then ask for ToT.

 

[Adioz]

Are these Arjun Mk2 of the Army ??

i am pretty sure these are not mk2 but t72

They are T-90 .............................................

 

[wuzetian]

They are T-90 .............................................

When will we see Arjun Mk2 like this ?? [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

This already exist in Army who are responsible for making requirements ..

There is some use tech like the inbuilt drone the tank has, also the AI and machine learning component . Plus the army can just look and see what it want in the future tank fleet. I am not see to buy it, just send some army personal to look at the new tank so the get a idea and if the army find that some technology are worth it then ask for ToT.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their are other upgrades as well ..

Disappointing private industry, MoD handing Rs 5,000 crore BMP-2 upgrade to Ordnance Factory Board

On Tuesday, in a negative signal that will resonate discouragingly through India’s private defence industry, the ministry of defence (MoD) plans to kill competitive tendering for a Rs 5,000 crore project to upgrade the army’s 1,500 BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles (ICVs). Instead the project is being gifted to the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), without competition.

Capable private firms like Larsen & Toubro, Tata Motors, the Mahindras, Reliance Defence and Alpha Design Technology Ltd (ADTL) are being entrusted with designing, developing and manufacturing a high-tech Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) for the army, a “Make in India” contract about to be awarded. But they have been eliminated, without explanation, from the relatively simple task of upgrading the BMP-2 to grant it a lease of life until the FICV enters service.

This despite repeated assurances from Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar that he will treat private defence firms as partners on par with defence public sector undertakings (DPSUs) and the OFB. Successive Defence Procurement Policies (DPPs) have promised a “level playing field” for the private sector. Prime Minister Narendra Modi too has exhorted private industry to spearhead “Make in India” in defence.

Despite the MoD’s “nomination” of the OFB for the BMP-2 upgrade, private defence firms are fighting to remain in the fray. On Friday, industry chamber, Ficci, wrote to the MoD, requesting permission for industry to present its case at a crucial Tuesday meeting of the Services Capital Acquisition Plan Categorization Higher Committee (SCAPCHC), which will rule on who will upgrade the BMP-2.
After silence from the ministry, industry representatives met MoD officials on Monday afternoon to press their case. Sources say permission has been granted.

“If the ministry hands the OFB the BMP-2 upgrade on a platter, it will prove what we have always feared --- that we will always get step-motherly treatment because there is no political will to expose the DPSUs and OFB to market competition”, says a private industry CEO, bitterly.

The BMP-2, which the Indian Army calls the Sarath, is a tracked, armoured vehicle that carries three crewmembers and a “stick” of seven fully armed infantrymen. It can move cross-country at 45 kilometres per hour, keeping up with tanks and providing mechanised formations with mobile infantry to occupy the ground that tanks overrun.

Since the BMP-2 upgrade was first announced last March, it was to be a competitive programme featuring the private sector. Between March-June 2016, the army issued four separate Requests for Information (RFIs), soliciting interest from private firms in fitting the BMP-2 with a new, more powerful engine than its current 300 Horse Power engine; increasing its firepower with newer, more capable gun controls and electronics; and fitting a more modern, accurate anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) than the old Konkurs missiles it currently carries.

More than 20 private defence companies responded to the RFIs of May-June 2016, many of them having already built up technological capabilities and infrastructure for the FICV development project, a separate Rs 50,000 crore tender under the “Make” category. They offered to upgrade the BMPs within three years, with indigenisation of at least 50 per cent. Yet, these were ruled out to make way for the OFB.

Contacted by Business Standard to explain the rationale for privileging the OFB, the MoD has not responded.

Meanwhile, since late 2015, the army has pursued a separate proposal to indigenously upgrade the BMP-2’s power pack --- which includes the engine and transmission. It is unclear how, if at all, this relates to the current BMP-2 upgrade project.

India has operated BMP-1 and BMP-2 ICVs since the early 1980s. Russia has been persuading New Delhi to buy its readily available new BMP-3 ICV, rather than going in for the FICV. But the MoD has stuck to the path of indigenisation.

“The opportunity to upgrade the BMP-2 will hone our abilities to deliver the FICV. We will request the MoD one last time on Tuesday to provide a level playing field to the private sector, as successive DPPs have stipulated”, says a private sector official.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2017/01/disappointing-private-industry-mod.html

 

[SilentKiller]

Disappointing private industry, MoD handing Rs 5,000 crore BMP-2 upgrade to Ordnance Factory Board

On Tuesday, in a negative signal that will resonate discouragingly through India’s private defence industry, the ministry of defence (MoD) plans to kill competitive tendering for a Rs 5,000 crore project to upgrade the army’s 1,500 BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles (ICVs). Instead the project is being gifted to the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), without competition.

Capable private firms like Larsen & Toubro, Tata Motors, the Mahindras, Reliance Defence and Alpha Design Technology Ltd (ADTL) are being entrusted with designing, developing and manufacturing a high-tech Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) for the army, a “Make in India” contract about to be awarded. But they have been eliminated, without explanation, from the relatively simple task of upgrading the BMP-2 to grant it a lease of life until the FICV enters service.

This despite repeated assurances from Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar that he will treat private defence firms as partners on par with defence public sector undertakings (DPSUs) and the OFB. Successive Defence Procurement Policies (DPPs) have promised a “level playing field” for the private sector. Prime Minister Narendra Modi too has exhorted private industry to spearhead “Make in India” in defence.

Despite the MoD’s “nomination” of the OFB for the BMP-2 upgrade, private defence firms are fighting to remain in the fray. On Friday, industry chamber, Ficci, wrote to the MoD, requesting permission for industry to present its case at a crucial Tuesday meeting of the Services Capital Acquisition Plan Categorization Higher Committee (SCAPCHC), which will rule on who will upgrade the BMP-2.
After silence from the ministry, industry representatives met MoD officials on Monday afternoon to press their case. Sources say permission has been granted.

“If the ministry hands the OFB the BMP-2 upgrade on a platter, it will prove what we have always feared --- that we will always get step-motherly treatment because there is no political will to expose the DPSUs and OFB to market competition”, says a private industry CEO, bitterly.

The BMP-2, which the Indian Army calls the Sarath, is a tracked, armoured vehicle that carries three crewmembers and a “stick” of seven fully armed infantrymen. It can move cross-country at 45 kilometres per hour, keeping up with tanks and providing mechanised formations with mobile infantry to occupy the ground that tanks overrun.

Since the BMP-2 upgrade was first announced last March, it was to be a competitive programme featuring the private sector. Between March-June 2016, the army issued four separate Requests for Information (RFIs), soliciting interest from private firms in fitting the BMP-2 with a new, more powerful engine than its current 300 Horse Power engine; increasing its firepower with newer, more capable gun controls and electronics; and fitting a more modern, accurate anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) than the old Konkurs missiles it currently carries.

More than 20 private defence companies responded to the RFIs of May-June 2016, many of them having already built up technological capabilities and infrastructure for the FICV development project, a separate Rs 50,000 crore tender under the “Make” category. They offered to upgrade the BMPs within three years, with indigenisation of at least 50 per cent. Yet, these were ruled out to make way for the OFB.

Contacted by Business Standard to explain the rationale for privileging the OFB, the MoD has not responded.

Meanwhile, since late 2015, the army has pursued a separate proposal to indigenously upgrade the BMP-2’s power pack --- which includes the engine and transmission. It is unclear how, if at all, this relates to the current BMP-2 upgrade project.

India has operated BMP-1 and BMP-2 ICVs since the early 1980s. Russia has been persuading New Delhi to buy its readily available new BMP-3 ICV, rather than going in for the FICV. But the MoD has stuck to the path of indigenisation.

“The opportunity to upgrade the BMP-2 will hone our abilities to deliver the FICV. We will request the MoD one last time on Tuesday to provide a level playing field to the private sector, as successive DPPs have stipulated”, says a private sector official.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2017/01/disappointing-private-industry-mod.html

Reason i believe is FICV will go (majority work) to private players so BMP upgrade goes to OFB..

 

[tejas warrior]

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[Bornubus]

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Well protected turret Top.


1st Armor Division (Airawat Division)

 

[wuzetian]

Arjun MK2 repair and retreival vehicle is being made at BEML ..
Once this vehicle is ready then more Arjun Mk2 will be ordered

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Probabaly during operation parakram ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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Long before the arrival of digital camouflage, Indian Army was using tectric camouflage on vehicles since 1970s ..

One of the best patterns design in India and world, Hope Arjuns get it too in very complex form ..