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New Delhi, Moscow Discussing Supply of Russian T-90MS Battle Tanks
Read more: http://in.sputniknews.com/south_asia/20150911/1015674227.html#ixzz3lVAonyHx
Russia is in talks with India about the possibility of concluding a contract to supply the latest Russian T-90MS battle tanks, a representative of Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) machine building company said Friday.
"Negotiations are under way on the possibility of signing a new contract with new conditions, to supply India with T-90MS," the representative told RIA Novosti.
There is currently a contract in place between Moscow and New Delhi for the licensed production of T-90S tanks in India.
On Wednesday, a Uralvagonzavod spokesperson told RIA Novosti that Russia had completed the full cycle of testing on the T-90MS, which is the latest export version of the T-90.
T-90MS, also referred as Tagil, was first unveiled in 2011. It was proposed for the Russian Army and possible export markets, including India.
The tank uses the same type of ammunition as the T-90, but includes additional countermeasures to significantly reduce the chances of being hit by enemy anti-tank semi-automatic guided weapons.
Read more: http://in.sputniknews.com/south_asia/20150911/1015674227.html#ixzz3lVAonyHx
Read more: http://in.sputniknews.com/south_asia/20150911/1015674227.html#ixzz3lVAonyHx
Russia is in talks with India about the possibility of concluding a contract to supply the latest Russian T-90MS battle tanks, a representative of Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) machine building company said Friday.
"Negotiations are under way on the possibility of signing a new contract with new conditions, to supply India with T-90MS," the representative told RIA Novosti.
There is currently a contract in place between Moscow and New Delhi for the licensed production of T-90S tanks in India.
On Wednesday, a Uralvagonzavod spokesperson told RIA Novosti that Russia had completed the full cycle of testing on the T-90MS, which is the latest export version of the T-90.
T-90MS, also referred as Tagil, was first unveiled in 2011. It was proposed for the Russian Army and possible export markets, including India.
The tank uses the same type of ammunition as the T-90, but includes additional countermeasures to significantly reduce the chances of being hit by enemy anti-tank semi-automatic guided weapons.
Read more: http://in.sputniknews.com/south_asia/20150911/1015674227.html#ixzz3lVAonyHx
Does the main gun depress sufficiently to keep the turretheads alive when firing from reverse slope positions?
Is the ammo storage up to Abrams/Challenger safety standards?
I understand that these have been significant issues with post WW2 Russian tanks?
Is the ammo storage up to Abrams/Challenger safety standards?
I understand that these have been significant issues with post WW2 Russian tanks?
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Indian Army's T-90 Bhishma tanks take part in a military training exercise in the Thar Desert, Rajasthan. The tanks have two different turret armour arrays.
In 2001, India bought 310 T-90S tanks from Russia, of which 120 were delivered complete, 90 in semi-knocked down kits, and 100 in completely knocked down kits. The T-90 was selected because it is a direct development of the T-72 that India already employs with 60% logistics commonality with T-90 simplifying training and maintenance. India bought the T-90 after the delay in production of the domestically developed Arjun main battle tank, and to counter Pakistani deployment of the Ukrainian T-80UD in 1995–97. These tanks were made by Uralvagonzavod and the updated 1,000 hp (750 kW) engines were delivered by Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant. These tanks however did not feature the Shtora-1 passive/active protection system though there are reports that a separate contract for shipment of a modernised version of this suite is being discussed.[16]
A follow-on contract, worth $800 million, was signed on October 26, 2006, for another 330 T-90M "Bhishma" MBTs that were to be manufactured in India by Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, Tamil Nadu.
The T-90M Bhishma (named for the almost invincible warrior in the Mahabharata) is a customised, improved version of the T-90S, which India developed with assistance from Russia and France, with both of whom India has very close ties. The tanks are equipped with the French Thales built Catherine-FC thermal sights[17] and utilises Russian Kontakt-5 K-5 explosive reactive armoured plates.[18] Kontakt-5 (K-5) ERA in its export variant provides a protection level of 1.2 [20%] against Kinetic Energy (APFSDS) rounds and 1.7–1.8 [70 %] against Chemical Energy rounds (Tandem HEAT). Semi-active baffle plates and ceramic layers with high tensile proprieties are employed in T-90 base armour. Even more advanced armour composition was implemented in the welded turrets of domestic T-90s and on export T-90 Bhishma tanks for India. In several tests conducted in front of an Indian delegation the latest foreign M829A2/KEW-A2 APFSDS ammunitions were fired from 250 metres against a T-90S lacking the normal built-in explosive reactive armour (ERA) Kontakt-5 (K-5) The turret proved completely impenetrable, which proved to be crucial in selling the T-90 Bhishma MBT to India.[19]
In April 2008, the Indian Army sent a request for proposal to Rafael, BAE Systems, Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and IBD Deisenroth Engineering for an active protection system for the T-90S Bhishma.[20] The contract is expected to be worth US$270 million. Saab's LEDS-150 won the contract in January 2009.[21]
A third contract, worth $1.23 billion, was signed in December 2007 for 347 upgraded T-90Ms, the bulk of which will be licence-assembled by HVF. The Army hopes to field a force of over 21 regiments of T-90 tanks and 40 regiments of modified T-72s. The Indian Army would begin receiving its first T-90M main battle tank in completely knocked-down condition from Russia’s Nizhny Tagil-based Uralvagonzavod JSC by the end of 2009.[22][23]
The T-90M features the 'Kaktus K-6' bolted explosive reactive armour (ERA) package on its frontal hull and turret-top (the T-90S has 'Kontakt-5' ERA), is fitted with an enhanced environmental control system supplied by Israel's Kinetics Ltd for providing cooled air to the fighting compartment, has additional internal volume for housing the cryogenic cooling systems for new-generation thermal imagers like the THALES-built Catherine-FC thermal imager (operating in the 8–12 micrometre bandwidth).[22] In all, India plans to have 1,640 T-90 tanks in service by 2018–2020.[24]
The first batch of 10 licence built T-90M "Bhishma" was inducted into the Indian army on August 24, 2009. These vehicles were built at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, Tamil Nadu.
A ₹10000 crore (US$1.5 billion) purchase of 354 new T-90MS tanks for six tank regiments for the China border has been approved[25] which would take the total number of T-90 tanks in the Indian Army's inventory to 2011 and with a total of nearly 4500 tanks (T-90 and variants, T-72 and Arjun MBT) in active service, the world's third largest operator of tanks.
India plans to have 21 tank regiments of T-90s by 2020, with 45 combat tanks and 17 training and replacement tanks per regiment, for 62 total each.
T-90MS – New modernised (M) version of the export tank T-90S, with a 1130HP engine, a PNM Sosna-U gunner view, a 7.62 mm turret UDP T05BV-1 RWS, GLONASS, inertial navigation systems and new explosive reactive armour (ERA).[61][62][63] A new removable turret bustle is included, which provides storage for eight additional rounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90
Indian Army's T-90 Bhishma tanks take part in a military training exercise in the Thar Desert, Rajasthan. The tanks have two different turret armour arrays.
In 2001, India bought 310 T-90S tanks from Russia, of which 120 were delivered complete, 90 in semi-knocked down kits, and 100 in completely knocked down kits. The T-90 was selected because it is a direct development of the T-72 that India already employs with 60% logistics commonality with T-90 simplifying training and maintenance. India bought the T-90 after the delay in production of the domestically developed Arjun main battle tank, and to counter Pakistani deployment of the Ukrainian T-80UD in 1995–97. These tanks were made by Uralvagonzavod and the updated 1,000 hp (750 kW) engines were delivered by Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant. These tanks however did not feature the Shtora-1 passive/active protection system though there are reports that a separate contract for shipment of a modernised version of this suite is being discussed.[16]
A follow-on contract, worth $800 million, was signed on October 26, 2006, for another 330 T-90M "Bhishma" MBTs that were to be manufactured in India by Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, Tamil Nadu.
The T-90M Bhishma (named for the almost invincible warrior in the Mahabharata) is a customised, improved version of the T-90S, which India developed with assistance from Russia and France, with both of whom India has very close ties. The tanks are equipped with the French Thales built Catherine-FC thermal sights[17] and utilises Russian Kontakt-5 K-5 explosive reactive armoured plates.[18] Kontakt-5 (K-5) ERA in its export variant provides a protection level of 1.2 [20%] against Kinetic Energy (APFSDS) rounds and 1.7–1.8 [70 %] against Chemical Energy rounds (Tandem HEAT). Semi-active baffle plates and ceramic layers with high tensile proprieties are employed in T-90 base armour. Even more advanced armour composition was implemented in the welded turrets of domestic T-90s and on export T-90 Bhishma tanks for India. In several tests conducted in front of an Indian delegation the latest foreign M829A2/KEW-A2 APFSDS ammunitions were fired from 250 metres against a T-90S lacking the normal built-in explosive reactive armour (ERA) Kontakt-5 (K-5) The turret proved completely impenetrable, which proved to be crucial in selling the T-90 Bhishma MBT to India.[19]
In April 2008, the Indian Army sent a request for proposal to Rafael, BAE Systems, Raytheon, Rosoboronexport, Saab, and IBD Deisenroth Engineering for an active protection system for the T-90S Bhishma.[20] The contract is expected to be worth US$270 million. Saab's LEDS-150 won the contract in January 2009.[21]
A third contract, worth $1.23 billion, was signed in December 2007 for 347 upgraded T-90Ms, the bulk of which will be licence-assembled by HVF. The Army hopes to field a force of over 21 regiments of T-90 tanks and 40 regiments of modified T-72s. The Indian Army would begin receiving its first T-90M main battle tank in completely knocked-down condition from Russia’s Nizhny Tagil-based Uralvagonzavod JSC by the end of 2009.[22][23]
The T-90M features the 'Kaktus K-6' bolted explosive reactive armour (ERA) package on its frontal hull and turret-top (the T-90S has 'Kontakt-5' ERA), is fitted with an enhanced environmental control system supplied by Israel's Kinetics Ltd for providing cooled air to the fighting compartment, has additional internal volume for housing the cryogenic cooling systems for new-generation thermal imagers like the THALES-built Catherine-FC thermal imager (operating in the 8–12 micrometre bandwidth).[22] In all, India plans to have 1,640 T-90 tanks in service by 2018–2020.[24]
The first batch of 10 licence built T-90M "Bhishma" was inducted into the Indian army on August 24, 2009. These vehicles were built at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, Tamil Nadu.
A ₹10000 crore (US$1.5 billion) purchase of 354 new T-90MS tanks for six tank regiments for the China border has been approved[25] which would take the total number of T-90 tanks in the Indian Army's inventory to 2011 and with a total of nearly 4500 tanks (T-90 and variants, T-72 and Arjun MBT) in active service, the world's third largest operator of tanks.
India plans to have 21 tank regiments of T-90s by 2020, with 45 combat tanks and 17 training and replacement tanks per regiment, for 62 total each.
T-90MS – New modernised (M) version of the export tank T-90S, with a 1130HP engine, a PNM Sosna-U gunner view, a 7.62 mm turret UDP T05BV-1 RWS, GLONASS, inertial navigation systems and new explosive reactive armour (ERA).[61][62][63] A new removable turret bustle is included, which provides storage for eight additional rounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90
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Russia India T-90MS Tank Deal Negotiations For Moscow To Supply Military Battle Vehicle Have Begun
By Christopher Harress @Charress [email protected] on September 11 2015 11:10 AM EDT
Indian soldiers unveiled their new Russian-made T-90 battle tanks during an Army Day parade in New Delhi, Jan. 15, 2003. India is now in negotiations to buy the latest version of the tank, the T-90MS. REUTERS/Kamal Kishore
The Russian military began discussions with India Friday over a contract to supply the South Asia country with the T-90MS battle tank, according to a report from Russian news site Sputnik. Supplying the tank, which costs around $4.5 million per unit, would be the latest defense contract signed between the two countries over the last year.
"Negotiations are underway on the possibility of signing a new contract with new conditions, to supply India with T-90MS," said a representative of Uralvagonzavod, the manufacturer of the tank. However, the number of tanks that Russia would supply to India and their value have yet to be negotiated.
India currently has a license with Russia to reproduce a similar tank known as the T-90S. Both tanks use the same type of ammunition, but the T-90MS includes additional countermeasures to significantly reduce the chances of being hit by enemy anti-tank semi-automatic guided weapons.
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The T-90MS, also referred as Tagil, was first unveiled in 2011. It was proposed specifically for the Russian army and possible export markets, including India. Russia has completed the full cycle of testing on the T-90MS, a spokesperson for the defense company manufacturing the tank told Sputnik Wednesday.
Last week, the Indian Defense Acquisition Council said it would add 48 Russian-built Mi-17-V5 helicopters to its military's fleet, Russia's official news agency Tass reported. That deal adds to the $6 billion contract that India signed earlier this year to buy BrahMos cruise missiles from Russia.
Despite sanctions resulting from Russia's involvement in the east Ukraine war, Russian defense sales topped $15 billion dollars in 2014, and the country's long term defense portfolio stands at about $48 billion, said Alexander Formin, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technological Cooperation, according to the Russian government owned Rossiyskaya Gazeta.
"We planned to deliver $15.59 billion worth of products but the actual cost of deliveries was $15.3 billion. Foreign currency revenue exceeded $14 billion," said Formin.
www.ibtimes.com/russia-india-t-90ms-tank-deal-negotiations-moscow-supply-military-battle-vehicle-have-2092998
By Christopher Harress @Charress [email protected] on September 11 2015 11:10 AM EDT
Indian soldiers unveiled their new Russian-made T-90 battle tanks during an Army Day parade in New Delhi, Jan. 15, 2003. India is now in negotiations to buy the latest version of the tank, the T-90MS. REUTERS/Kamal Kishore
The Russian military began discussions with India Friday over a contract to supply the South Asia country with the T-90MS battle tank, according to a report from Russian news site Sputnik. Supplying the tank, which costs around $4.5 million per unit, would be the latest defense contract signed between the two countries over the last year.
"Negotiations are underway on the possibility of signing a new contract with new conditions, to supply India with T-90MS," said a representative of Uralvagonzavod, the manufacturer of the tank. However, the number of tanks that Russia would supply to India and their value have yet to be negotiated.
India currently has a license with Russia to reproduce a similar tank known as the T-90S. Both tanks use the same type of ammunition, but the T-90MS includes additional countermeasures to significantly reduce the chances of being hit by enemy anti-tank semi-automatic guided weapons.
Indian Military Expenditure Over Time | FindTheData
The T-90MS, also referred as Tagil, was first unveiled in 2011. It was proposed specifically for the Russian army and possible export markets, including India. Russia has completed the full cycle of testing on the T-90MS, a spokesperson for the defense company manufacturing the tank told Sputnik Wednesday.
Last week, the Indian Defense Acquisition Council said it would add 48 Russian-built Mi-17-V5 helicopters to its military's fleet, Russia's official news agency Tass reported. That deal adds to the $6 billion contract that India signed earlier this year to buy BrahMos cruise missiles from Russia.
Despite sanctions resulting from Russia's involvement in the east Ukraine war, Russian defense sales topped $15 billion dollars in 2014, and the country's long term defense portfolio stands at about $48 billion, said Alexander Formin, director of the Federal Service for Military-Technological Cooperation, according to the Russian government owned Rossiyskaya Gazeta.
"We planned to deliver $15.59 billion worth of products but the actual cost of deliveries was $15.3 billion. Foreign currency revenue exceeded $14 billion," said Formin.
www.ibtimes.com/russia-india-t-90ms-tank-deal-negotiations-moscow-supply-military-battle-vehicle-have-2092998
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T-90MS main battle tank
Description
The T-90MS is the next step in the development of the Russian-made main battle tank T-90. The new T-90MS was presented for the first time to the public during the defence exhibition Russian Expo arms in September 2011. This new tank is a complete modernization of the T-90 by touching all the characteristics of the basic variant to increase its operational capabilities in combat and against modern threats of the battlefield. The weight of the T-90MS has increased of 1,500 kg, compared to the basic model of the T-90 to reach 48 tons, but it remains significantly lower compared to the German main battle tank Leopard 2A6 and the American M1 Abrams.
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The main armament includes a 125mm high-accuracy gun 2A46M-5 with new features as the installation of high-rigidity barrel tube, play-free trunnion assembly units with elastic rollers an return wedge and two additional play take-up elements with rollers. The 2A46M-5 gun design made it possible to reduce technical dispersion of shells of all types by 15% in average and to increase effective range of fire. A 7.62mm coaxial machine gun 6P7K is coupled to the 125mm gun. The T-90MS carries 40 rounds of 125mm, 22 are ready to be used on an automatic carousel autoloader, other ammunitions are stowed in a special hull rear section to avoid the risks of explosion and provide high crew survivability.
A remote weapon system is mounted on the right side on the top of the turret which is armed with a 7.62mm machine gun. The automatic machine gun of the turret is designed to destruct stationary and moving targets. The machine gun mount with two-axis stabilization enables the tank commander to deliver effective fire from his station inside the vehicle at a halt and on the move independently of the main armament. The remote weapon station is equipped with panoramic sight, controlled from the commander's station which can fire at a maximum range of 1,500m, with elevation from -10° to +45° on 316° rotation. Six smoke-grenade dischargers are mounted to each side of the turret.
Design and protection
The basic armour of the T-90MS provides a protection of the crew against conventional small weapons and shell splinters. To increase the protection of the T-90MS, the tank is fitted with the new RELIKT reactive armour on the front of the hull and the turret which is designed to replace the Kontakt-5 reactive armor used on older T-90 tanks, will help the tank withstand attacks from all current and future anti-tank weapons. The RELIKT system is based on a new element of dynamic protection, EDZ 4S23, which is the latest in the line of dynamic protection elements developed by NII Stali - 4S20, 4S22, 4S24. The new dynamic protection element utilizes a completely new composition of explosives that works effectively against modern and future-generation shaped-charge munitions, including tandem munitions, as well as armour-piercing sub-caliber missiles. Unlike the serially-produced Kontakt-5 system, Relikt works equally reliably against both low-velocity and high-velocity missiles. The hull and the turret are upgraded with detachable modules with built-in explosive reactive armour. The protection system is provided with aramid-fabric inner splinter-proof liners to protect the crew and equipment from the secondary flux of tank fragments. The rear part of the hull and the turret are equipped with wire cage armour to increase the protection of the power pack compartment and ammunition compartment against anti-tank grenades and rockets.
Propulsion
The T-90MS is motorized with the new high power diesel engine V-92S2F which is rated at 1130 HP coupled to an automatic transmission gearbox with 7-forward and 1-reverse. With this new engine the T-90MS can run at maximum road speed of 72 km/h with a range of 550 km. The T-90MS features a new improved suspension and drive train. The suspension of each side consists of six of six dual rubber tired road wheels with the drive sprocket at the rear, idler at the front and three track-return rollers. The upper part of the suspension on each side is fitted with built-in explosive reactive armour.
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The T-90MS has an automated single control system, an automatic targets tracking system, and satellite navigation via GLONASS/GPS. To improve the tank’s offensive capabilities, the T-90MS is equipped with the Kalina fire control system which incorporates gunner's multichannel sight, commander's panoramic sight, digital ballistic computer, with a set of weather and fire condition sensors, and parallel sight is the backbone of the tank fire power. According to some Russian sources the Kalina is equal to the best foreign systems of this type. The Kalina fire control system can be implemented automatically track the target, T-90MS at any time in the stationary and moving long distances against the effective strength of the threat of tanks and anti-tank missile fleet. The gunner's station is equipped with latest generation of sight with video-viewing device with automatic fire control system and loader. The commander's station is equipped with video-viewing device with electronic GPS combat map.
As all generation of modern Russian combat armoured vehicle, the T-90MS is also equipped with NBC protection system. The self-protection of T-90MS includes also an automatic screening system which can create an automatic aerosol screen laying in the direction of enemy's anti-tank means with active laser emission.
Specifications
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Armament
One 125mm gun 2A46M-5, one coaxial machine gun 7.62mm and remote weapon system with 7.62mm on the top of the turret.
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Prototype in Russia
Designer Country
Russia
Accessories
Remote machine gun on top turret, computer firing control system, gunner sight with video control, air conditioner cooling unit, commander video viewing device.
Crew
3
Armor
Protection against small arms and shell splinters, detachable explosive reactive armour, side panels with explosive armour
Weight vehicle
48,000 kg
Speed vehicle
72 km/h maximum road speed
Range
550 km
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The T-90MS has an automated single control system, an automatic targets tracking system, and satellite navigation via GLONASS/GPS. To improve the tank’s offensive capabilities, the T-90MS is equipped with the Kalina fire control system which incorporates gunner's multichannel sight, commander's panoramic sight, digital ballistic computer, with a set of weather and fire condition sensors, and parallel sight is the backbone of the tank fire power. According to some Russian sources the Kalina is equal to the best foreign systems of this type. The Kalina fire control system can be implemented automatically track the target, T-90MS at any time in the stationary and moving long distances against the effective strength of the threat of tanks and anti-tank missile fleet. The gunner's station is equipped with latest generation of sight with video-viewing device with automatic fire control system and loader. The commander's station is equipped with video-viewing device with electronic GPS combat map.
As all generation of modern Russian combat armoured vehicle, the T-90MS is also equipped with NBC protection system. The self-protection of T-90MS includes also an automatic screening system which can create an automatic aerosol screen laying in the direction of enemy's anti-tank means with active laser emission.
Specifications
Back to topArmament
One 125mm gun 2A46M-5, one coaxial machine gun 7.62mm and remote weapon system with 7.62mm on the top of the turret.
Country users
Prototype in Russia
Designer Country
Russia
Accessories
Remote machine gun on top turret, computer firing control system, gunner sight with video control, air conditioner cooling unit, commander video viewing device.
Crew
3
Armor
Protection against small arms and shell splinters, detachable explosive reactive armour, side panels with explosive armour
Weight vehicle
48,000 kg
Speed vehicle
72 km/h maximum road speed
Range
550 km
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Dimensions
Length, ? m; Width, ? m; Height, ? m
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Here's a better picture of the same and its the oulet to the Bilge pump system, considering the placement of it being very near to the floor of the compartment. To enable the it to ford properly for the assigned time and depth. Most likely a straight lift from Arjun MBT. There should be two pumps - Primary at floor level and secondary at a level a little higher which would get kicked in only once the primary pump is overwhelmed. But
The above pic in Neeraj Mathur's post is left back side. While the below picture is the right back side which means the oulet for this pumping system is on both sides. Which makes good design sense.
The above pic in Neeraj Mathur's post is left back side. While the below picture is the right back side which means the oulet for this pumping system is on both sides. Which makes good design sense.
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dont you think the propellers are kinda small for an amphibious of this size and load it will carryHere's a better picture of the same and its the oulet to the Bilge pump system, considering the placement of it being very near to the floor of the compartment. To enable the it to ford properly for the assigned time and depth. Most likely a straight lift from Arjun MBT. There should be two pumps - Primary at floor level and secondary at a level a little higher which would get kicked in only once the primary pump is overwhelmed. But
The above pic in Neeraj Mathur's post is left back side. While the below picture is the right back side which means the oulet for this pumping system is on both sides. Which makes good design sense.
example
http://defensetech.org/2014/09/25/corps-eyes-new-amphibious-assault-vehicles/
@Neeraj Mathur I don't think those were propellers at all on the Krestel product. I may be wrong but in case of Fording / deep wading / driving on the river bed, you can expect some level of flooding of the compartments inside and that is what it looks like to me on the Krestel product. The outlets are directly connected to the passenger compartment. I won't deny the possibility that these may be propellers in which case you are right they do seem too small. I would expect the propellers to be this size if they are propellers:
In fact in one of your pictures it does give the impression that there is a propeller on the Krestel product. This is is the picture which looks like it. If you enlarge it you will notice that there is a mesh on the front side. So initially it did look to me too like its a propeller. But I changed my view to that of an outlet for the bilge pump assembly since that part is a done deal from Arjun MBT and can be taken straightaway (almost) to any other amphibian product.
The one you are now showing does look like propellers: 1) because it does not seem to be connected as a duct with the interior of the vehicle and (2) because it looks like it is ducted fan with distinct electrical/mechanical connections too and (3) because 2 of those would actually can be expected to give the same output as one of the bigger ones sported by BTR-60.
But if your view is that Krestel product has propellers then I concede they do look too small for the size of the vehicle. Or it could be some super-propellers
In fact in one of your pictures it does give the impression that there is a propeller on the Krestel product. This is is the picture which looks like it. If you enlarge it you will notice that there is a mesh on the front side. So initially it did look to me too like its a propeller. But I changed my view to that of an outlet for the bilge pump assembly since that part is a done deal from Arjun MBT and can be taken straightaway (almost) to any other amphibian product.
The one you are now showing does look like propellers: 1) because it does not seem to be connected as a duct with the interior of the vehicle and (2) because it looks like it is ducted fan with distinct electrical/mechanical connections too and (3) because 2 of those would actually can be expected to give the same output as one of the bigger ones sported by BTR-60.
But if your view is that Krestel product has propellers then I concede they do look too small for the size of the vehicle. Or it could be some super-propellers
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Doesn't have to be connected as a duct to the interior.@Neeraj Mathur I don't think those were propellers at all on the Krestel product. I may be wrong but in case of Fording / deep wading / driving on the river bed, you can expect some level of flooding of the compartments inside and that is what it looks like to me on the Krestel product. The outlets are directly connected to the passenger compartment. I won't deny the possibility that these may be propellers in which case you are right they do seem too small. I would expect the propellers to be this size if they are propellers:
In fact in one of your pictures it does give the impression that there is a propeller on the Krestel product. This is is the picture which looks like it. If you enlarge it you will notice that there is a mesh on the front side. So initially it did look to me too like its a propeller. But I changed my view to that of an outlet for the bilge pump assembly since that part is a done deal from Arjun MBT and can be taken straightaway (almost) to any other amphibian product.
The one you are now showing does look like propellers: 1) because it does not seem to be connected as a duct with the interior of the vehicle and (2) because it looks like it is ducted fan with distinct electrical/mechanical connections too and (3) because 2 of those would actually can be expected to give the same output as one of the bigger ones sported by BTR-60.
But if your view is that Krestel product has propellers then I concede they do look too small for the size of the vehicle. Or it could be some super-propellers
BTR-90 has similar sized propellers that are shrouded:
LAV-4 has similar sized propellers that are un-shrouded:
Also, BMP has similar sized "propellers" (not propeller blades, but water jets from upwash from the tracks is directed backwards):
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No, the entire wheeled APC market of the World has moved towards cheap easy to produce 8X8 armored platforms.Almost all of them look similar with minor differences due to commonalities in design philosophies The TATAs have developed this in conjunction with the DRDO. However yes I'd concede that some amount of inspiration for the platform must've come from similar successful concepts already in operation around the world.
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@Neeraj Mathur I don't think those were propellers at all on the Krestel product. I may be wrong but in case of Fording / deep wading / driving on the river bed, you can expect some level of flooding of the compartments inside and that is what it looks like to me on the Krestel product. The outlets are directly connected to the passenger compartment. I won't deny the possibility that these may be propellers in which case you are right they do seem too small. I would expect the propellers to be this size if they are propellers:
In fact in one of your pictures it does give the impression that there is a propeller on the Krestel product. This is is the picture which looks like it. If you enlarge it you will notice that there is a mesh on the front side. So initially it did look to me too like its a propeller. But I changed my view to that of an outlet for the bilge pump assembly since that part is a done deal from Arjun MBT and can be taken straightaway (almost) to any other amphibian product.
The one you are now showing does look like propellers: 1) because it does not seem to be connected as a duct with the interior of the vehicle and (2) because it looks like it is ducted fan with distinct electrical/mechanical connections too and (3) because 2 of those would actually can be expected to give the same output as one of the bigger ones sported by BTR-60.
But if your view is that Krestel product has propellers then I concede they do look too small for the size of the vehicle. Or it could be some super-propellers
Doesn't have to be connected as a duct to the interior.
BTR-90 has similar sized propellers that are shrouded:
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LAV-4 has similar sized propellers that are un-shrouded:
Also, BMP has similar sized "propellers" (not propeller blades, but water jets from upwash from the tracks is directed backwards):
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lets wait for more pics and info bcoz i think there might be some more changes
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