Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[Vinod DX9]

Nope................No APC in the world will stand against ATGM's

May not be ATGM, but against RPGs? Yes , if you have this

 

[Kunal Biswas]

ATGM are ineffective against SLAT Armour, As long as they are using HEAT round even tandam ..

 

[Vinod DX9]

Kunal sir,
1) do we use Kanchan armour in our T-72s too?
2) do we use kanchan 2 exclusively for Arjun 2?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I don`t think Kanchan is used on T-72M1,, Kanchan 2 is only known to be used on MK2 yet ..

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It cannot survive anything but 12.7mm AP rounds on frontal Armour only ..

BMP-2s are all about mobility and firepower for which it sacrifice it protection ..

Kunal sir,
1) do we use Kanchan armour in our T-72s too?
2) do we use kanchan 2 exclusively for Arjun 2?

Can Indian army BMP's survive modern day ATGM's?

 

[SilentKiller]

Did some reserch on IFV's around world, at it seems that USA's Bradley has been made capable to with stand 30mm on front arc and it can float over water with small preparation. it lacks a bit in firepower as it has 25mm cannon. but covers up somewhat to take on tanks as it has set of 2 Anti-tank missiles systems.

for FICV, we should follow Bradley's direction but remove crewed turret and add a 40mm Remote Turret.
a lot of advancements been made into Arjum MK2 can be brought to FICV too, like Aluminium wheels etc. anything lower that 25tons has possibility to float as this is must have for indian western border. only practical defense porki have is canal system.

 

[SajeevJino]

ATGM are ineffective against SLAT Armour, As long as they are using HEAT round even tandam ..

Tandem too, because of velocity you mean

anyway, Third gen ATGM's have top attack capability, so the steel cage wont help them

 

[armyofhind]

anything lower that 25tons has possibility to float as this is must have for indian western border. only practical defense porki have is canal system.

Yes... Porkis have canals as a defence.
But in an ideal situation, these canals won't be crossed by ICVs by fording. Fording, no matter how efficient, is a slow process.
Canals would most likely be crossed by bridging vehicles, or floating pontoon bridges.

 

[SilentKiller]

Yes... Porkis have canals as a defence.
But in an ideal situation, these canals won't be crossed by ICVs by fording. Fording, no matter how efficient, is a slow process.
Canals would most likely be crossed by bridging vehicles, or floating pontoon bridges.

If so, why go with with a25ton and move to 35Ton which has a better armor (to be protected against at least 105mm frontal arc).

BMP2 - sacrifices protection for firepower and mobility.
If we add more protection, we would need better engine..
add 105mm and 30mm coaxial gun (remote turret as BMP3 has), add additional armor protection, weight can be 35 Ton, if we have to use pontoon bridges or bridging vehicles, why worry on weight?

 

[Vinod DX9]

If so, why go with with a25ton and move to 35Ton which has a better armor (to be protected against at least 105mm frontal arc).

BMP2 - sacrifices protection for firepower and mobility.
If we add more protection, we would need better engine..
add 105mm and 30mm coaxial gun (remote turret as BMP3 has), add additional armor protection, weight can be 35 Ton, if we have to use pontoon bridges or bridging vehicles, why worry on weight?

We have BUSK for that. And may be future tracked Kestrel comes with that too

 

[SilentKiller]

We have BUSK for that. And may be future tracked Kestrel comes with that too

BUSK ? please elaborate.

Kestrel can be developed into Tracked APC or IFV. but i am trying to say is that under 25ton vehicle can float over water on its own power but in 30+ Ton category it cannot. heavy weight means better armor and better protection for squad sitting in. lighter means air transport is better, much more faster. etc.

APC is different, it isn't supposed to take on tanks or support tanks in battle, indian Tank busters use BMP2 to take tanks (using ATGM as head on battle isn't in its favor).

Both vehicles aren't meant for urban warfare, for this and for convey protection, patrolling etc. we have to use MPV's.

 

[armyofhind]

If so, why go with with a25ton and move to 35Ton which has a better armor (to be protected against at least 105mm frontal arc).

BMP2 - sacrifices protection for firepower and mobility.
If we add more protection, we would need better engine..
add 105mm and 30mm coaxial gun (remote turret as BMP3 has), add additional armor protection, weight can be 35 Ton, if we have to use pontoon bridges or bridging vehicles, why worry on weight?

Because the weight isn't to be considered only for water crossings.
Weight affects mobility too.

Going for increased protection would result in increased weight... thereby necessitating an upgrade of not just the engine, but suspension, powertrain and hydraulics as well.

If one has to overhaul all that, might as well go in for a new platform altogether.
Which is basically the idea behind FICV.

As for more firepower, BMP-2s in our service already have disposable ATGM canisters.
A rapid firing 30mm cannon is good enough against infantry fortifications.
Also note that a Mech. Inf platoon goes into battle with their own Carl Gustavs and 120mm mortars mounted on BMPs.
You don't really need a 105mm cannon on an ICV. It's not meant to fight against tanks. Tanks fight against Tanks.
And in the future, NAMICA will supplement our tanks.

BMP-3 is a failure. Hardly any orders for the platform.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

BMP-1 has a horrible gun accuracy deteriorate after 700ms and because of that gun the mounted soldiers are not issued with RL, Now BMP-2 comes with a auto cannon due to that mounted infantry is issued with 84mm RL and Its well known about its reputation ..

 

[Vinod DX9]

Kunal sir, one question. You gave me a pic of a prototype of Arjun which you said worked didn't continue on it, remember?

Is this somehow inspired by Chally 2 rather Leo 2?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their is a little information on it, @Shaitan did updated about ..

Kunal sir, one question. You gave me a pic of a prototype of Arjun which you said worked didn't continue on it, remember?
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Is this somehow inspired by Chally 2 rather Leo 2?

 

[Vinod DX9]

Their is a little information on it, @Shaitan did updated about ..

Sir what info please? Or link please

 

[Shaitan]

Sir what info please? Or link please

There's really not much any of us can add. Only ones who can give you details are the ones in CVRDE.

Trishul was the one who exposed this image, there was a small thumbnail of it in DRDO's site for a long time, but it was so small, people like me ignored it. Until Trishul got the bigger, better quality image.

That prototype is lost in time.

 

[Vinod DX9]

Is it possible that the particular prototype was an attempt to make an Indian Challenger 2 ?

 

[Shaitan]

Is it possible that the particular prototype was an attempt to make an Indian Challenger 2 ?

I think possibly. I really cant say.

 

[Vinod DX9]

Arjun's 120 mm rifled gun is the most powerful ever (but not the best and troublesome) ...is it true?

 

[indiandefencefan]

Arjun's 120 mm rifled gun is the most powerful ever (but not the best and troublesome) ...is it true?

You can't call it the most powerful ever because power is measured not by the gun but by the round it fires.
In this regard the US Army's depleted Uranium shells can be called the most powerful due to its penetrating capability.

The advantage of Arjun's 120mm rifled gun is that it provides greater accuracy at longer ranges.
This is at the cost of the Arjun being unable to fire guided missiles like the 9M119 Invar anti-tank missile from its main gun like how the T-90 can.