India US Relations

[Tshering22]

It could be a big deal but what's the point of we can't use it against naxals and gayhadis.
It will be useless against china and pork and if we use it against naxals then murricunts will stop the weapons supply

Then we will have the opportunity to reverse engineer it. If you think my suggestion is outlandish, think of how we managed to build Tejas from ground up afterosong original blueprints to Boeing post 1998 sanctions.

The US on the other hand, loses every single defense deal for good. Do you think they’re ready to cross those hard lines yet? I don’t think so.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

Then we will have the opportunity to reverse engineer it. If you think my suggestion is outlandish, think of how we managed to build Tejas from ground up afterosong original blueprints to Boeing post 1998 sanctions.

The US on the other hand, loses every single defense deal for good. Do you think they’re ready to cross those hard lines yet? I don’t think so.

They did same with China after Soviet collapse, they care more about hegemony than profit

 

[sameer3694]

It could be a big deal but what's the point of we can't use it against naxals and gayhadis.
It will be useless against china and pork and if we use it against naxals then murricunts will stop the weapons supply

But why would we use drones against naxals and jihadis anyway? India has an unwritten policy of not using air power within its territory against its own citizens. The last and the only time we did it was back in the 60's against Mizo national front and that was it.

 

[hurrians]

1.When the case is argued in goras court , juicy details of us double agents and entrapment will come out.( Unless it's a secret trial with redacted transcript of proceedings)

2.Nothing stops Bharath (provided we have the courage to show gora sahib his duplicity on his face ) to have trial of Canada based and us based elements and how they have been groomed by their intelligence agencies to spread anarchy here.

3.Goras may have a rare imagined or accidental heathen plot to assasinate a minion of gora in goraland. But if the heathen baratiya looks carefully there may be many instances of gora supported assassination and anarchy in India.

4. Inherent racism will prevent gora to acknowledge sem2sem about his indulgence in anarchy in other countries .

Action in step 3 are dependent on willingness to go through step 2 actions.

 

[Tshering22]

But why would we use drones against naxals and jihadis anyway? India has an unwritten policy of not using air power within its territory against its own citizens. The last and the only time we did it was back in the 60's against Mizo national front and that was it.

Judging by the way politics is playing out, we might need to reconsider that rule within our borders. Air power is critical in eliminating large swathes of resistance and providing critical information to the ground force involved in a combat operation. The reason why Mizoram is peaceful today while Manipur and Nagaland remain boiling is the unwillingness of the GOI to use lethal force via air. Indira Gandhi may have been a lot of things but hesitant she was not in using overwhelming brute force to make the enemy submit.

Drone strikes against naxals and Jihadis will become the norm in the coming years as islamists get desperate with the increased turning of their tide by the Hindu nationalist movement. If you think Ram Mandir, Martand Temple and Krishna Janmabhoomi is going to soften them, you are clueless on what they will do. 25 crore exist inside our borders. Many are in jails, regrouping and creating ecosystems.

So his point stands.

 

[Tshering22]

They did same with China after Soviet collapse, they care more about hegemony than profit

We must only think about what suits us. If we can replicate the MQ-9s in the face of sanctions, we can create something even 80% as good which when produced domestically en masse wille be as effective. India can get pretty nasty when it comes to retaliating against military sanctions. Whether it was the space program or the ballistic missile program or the nuclear program we have shown the opportunities they lost in commercial collaboration. At this stage, India is also the only major power holding out on alternate curerncy system. Pushing them that far will mean pulling the end of dollar by a decade.

 

[Kumaoni]

Well done India. A great decision to relieve the Americans and others from anti piracy and anti hijacking duty in around Aden and at outlet of the Red Sea.

It forced in a hurry for US to reconsider resistance to MQ-9 sale to India.

There is one more step yet to be done in next 30 days. And that is Congressional Approval. If Biden desires that resistance is no big deal for him. Now it is certain that MQ-9 will arrive in India sooner than later.

With MQ-9, India will police a large part of Indian Ocean. ……. Chinese Navy watch out. India is watching from overhead.

This is also showing Americans are no longer capable of handling middle east. They are fearful after the recent ass kicking they received in Jordan.

 

[shade]

We must only think about what suits us. If we can replicate the MQ-9s in the face of sanctions, we can create something even 80% as good which when produced domestically en masse wille be as effective. India can get pretty nasty when it comes to retaliating against military sanctions. Whether it was the space program or the ballistic missile program or the nuclear program we have shown the opportunities they lost in commercial collaboration. At this stage, India is also the only major power holding out on alternate curerncy system. Pushing them that far will mean pulling the end of dollar by a decade.

The Chinky MIC was on steroids after they got sanctioned in the aftermath of Tiananmen Square massacre.

tbh military maal sanctions would be good for us if we weren't facing immediate peer-level conflicts, would shut off the import lobby at the source and dalals would have nothing to shill for.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

But why would we use drones against naxals and jihadis anyway? India has an unwritten policy of not using air power within its territory against its own citizens. The last and the only time we did it was back in the 60's against Mizo national front and that was it.

So it's ok to let our citizens and soldiers die rather than taking action against terrorists who don't even consider themselves as citizen.
They will keep fighting back as they always have chance to do damage against ground troops but once they start getting pounded by bombs 30k feet above air they will realize their real aukad

 

[Hari Sud]

For nay sayers given below is what is included in MQ-9 deal. Although it appears very expensive. It includes the main toy and also include the hardware which makes it truly master of sky.



The Indian request also included 161 Embedded Global Positioning & Inertial Navigation Systems (EGIs); 35 L3 Rio Grande Communications Intelligence Sensor Suites; 170 AGM-114R Hellfire missiles; 16 M36E9 Hellfire Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM); 310 GBU-39B/B Laser Small Diameter Bombs (LSDB); and eight GBU-39B/B LSDB Guided Test Vehicles (GTVs) with live fuzes.

It also included Certifiable Ground Control Stations; TPE-331-10-GD engines; M299 Hellfire missile launchers; KIV-77 cryptographic appliques and other Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) equipment; KOR-24A Small Tactical Terminals (STT); AN/SSQ-62F, AN/SSQ-53G, and AN/SSQ-36 sonobuoys.
Further, the US$3.99 billion package would include ADU-891/E Adapter Group Test Sets; Common Munitions Built-In-Test (BIT) Reprogramming Equipment (CMBRE); GBU-39B/B tactical training rounds, Weapons Load Crew Trainers, and Reliability Assessment Vehicles-Instrumented; Portable Pre-flight/Post-flight Equipment (P3E); CCM-700A encryption devices; KY-100M Narrowband/wideband terminals; KI-133 cryptographic units; AN/PYQ-10 Simple Key Loaders; Automatic Identification System (AIS) transponders; ROVER 6Si and TNR2x transceivers; MR6000 ultra high frequency (UHF) and very high frequency (VHF) radios; Selex SeaSpray Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) surveillance radars; and HISAR-300 Radars.


Moreover, India would get SNC 4500 Auto Electronic Surveillance Measures (ESM) Systems; SAGE 750 ESM systems; Due Regard Radars (DRR); MX-20 Electro-Optical Infrared (EO-IR) Laser Target Designators (LTDs); Ku-Band SATCOM GAASI Transportable Earth Stations (GATES); C-Band Line-of-Sight (LOS) Ground Data Terminals; AN/DPX-7 IFF transponders; Compact Multi-band Data Links (CMDL); initial spare and repair parts, consumables, accessories, and repair and return support; secure communications, precision navigation, and cryptographic equipment.

More Expensive Than F-35 & Rafale Fighters, Is India's Acquisition Of MQ-Reaper Drones Worth The Money?

The United States has notified its Congress of a possible sale of 31 MQ-9B Sky Guardian drones, capable of being armed for anti-surface and anti-submarine missions, to India, along with a slew of weapons and sensors, all worth US$4 billion. In a statement on the notification, the United States...

www.eurasiantimes.com

 

[Spindrift]

Announcement of a Visa Restriction Policy to Promote Accountability for the Misuse of Commercial Spyware

The State Department is implementing a new policy today that will allow the imposition of visa restrictions on individuals involved in the misuse of commercial spyware.

This new policy is the most recent action in the United States’ comprehensive approach to countering the misuse of commercial spyware. Previous actions have included the issuance of an Executive Order prohibiting the U.S. government’s use of commercial spyware that poses risks to U.S. national security or foreign policy interests, Department of Commerce entity listings of commercial spyware companies that enabled the abuse of sophisticated surveillance tools, and diplomacy to boost international cooperation, including through the U.S.-led Joint Statement on Efforts to Counter the Proliferation and Misuse of Commercial Spyware.

The United States remains concerned with the growing misuse of commercial spyware around the world to facilitate repression, restrict the free flow of information, and enable human rights abuses. The misuse of commercial spyware threatens privacy and freedoms of expression, peaceful assembly, and association. Such targeting has been linked to arbitrary detentions, forced disappearances, and extrajudicial killings in the most egregious of cases. Additionally, the misuse of these tools presents a security and counterintelligence threat to U.S. personnel. The United States stands on the side of human rights and fundamental freedoms and will continue to promote accountability for individuals involved in commercial spyware misuse.

This visa restriction policy is pursuant to Section 212 (a)(3)(C) of the Immigration and National Act, and allows the Department of State to implement visa restrictions for (1) individuals believed to have been involved in the misuse of commercial spyware, to target, arbitrarily or unlawfully surveil, harass, suppress, or intimidate individuals including journalists, activists, other persons perceived to be dissidents for their work, members of marginalized communities or vulnerable populations, or the family members of these targeted individuals; (2) individuals believed to facilitate or derive financial benefit from the misuse of commercial spyware described in prong (1) above, including but not limited to developing, directing, or operationally controlling companies that furnish technologies such as commercial spyware to governments, or those acting on behalf of governments, that engage in activities as described in prong (1) above; and (3) the immediate family members of individuals subject to the restrictions in prongs (1) and (2) above. For purposes of this policy, “immediate family members” include spouses and children of any age.

Source: https://www.state.gov/announcement-...ability-for-the-misuse-of-commercial-spyware/

Fallout of the Pegasus episode?

 

[spacemarine2023]

India Biggest Enemies in Descending Order:

1. USA and its euro minions
2. China
3. Pakis living in India
4. Pakistan

 

[Tshering22]

India's Biggest Enemies in Descending Order:

1. Islamists (secularists and jihadis inside India, and now in non-Gulf arab states) the USA and its minions (including missionaries)
2. China
3. Pakistan

There, corrected it for you.

Why?

Because this:

 

[Tshering22]

The sheer amount of attacks on Indian students in the last 3 months is crazy. Most attacks being done by the nijjars.

WARNING: it's a bit graphic




The usual culprits:

 

[Hari Sud]

For nay sayers; here are some of the details and costs of the MQ-9 purchases

The 31 MQ9-B SkyGuardian drones itself costs USD 1.70 billion, while the rest of the services including technology and equipment is estimated to cost USD 2.29 billion. In addition to 31 MQ-9B SkyGuardian drones, the proposed deal includes 161 Embedded Global Positioning & Inertial Navigation Systems (EGIs), 35 L3 Rio Grande Communications Intelligence Sensor Suites.

It includes 170 AGM-114R Hellfire Missiles, 16 M36E9 Hellfire Captive Air Training Missiles, 310 GBU-39B/B Laser Small Diameter Bombs (LSDB) and eight GBU-39B/B LSDB Guided Test Vehicles (GTVs) with live fuzes. These prices are subject to further negotiations by the Indian Government.

Armed With Missiles And Bombs, MQ9-B Drones To Bolster India's Surveillance Capability

Washington: The MQ9-B SkyGuardian Aircraft being sold to India by the US would be equipped with highly sensitive surveillance and lethal at...

www.indiandefensenews.in

 

[Hari Sud]

Pannu case is almost dead

Pannu case is on the back burner. It was a bunch of Democrats who had created this case to pressure India. Reasons:

1. it was artificial case unlikely to stand scrutiny on phone intercepts.

2. Now India has reduced oil purchases from Russia, hence Biden and his cohorts in the Administration has nothing left to pressure India.

3. India came in a big way to defend western Indian Ocean from Pirates and Hijackers. That relieved US and Briton who are spread thin in Red Sea and elsewhere of police duty.

4. In one meeting with Biden the Democratic chairman of US Senate Foreign relations Committee dropped his opposition to MQ-9 deal.

5. The extradition appeal of Nikil Gupta in Czech Republic in the highest court will take months may be years. By then Biden will be gone and so will his Democrat cohorts. His prosecution will be a distant issue with no evidence.

Hence Pannu case will be forgotten and last irritant of the Indo-US relations will be history.

Moreover, US has to do a soul search as to how many people it has murdered in little while for its political goals.

 

[mokoman]

There, corrected it for you.

Why?

Because this:


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"why not other parties"

maybe because its the ruling party at center

they spy on even their western allies - economic espionage / geopolitics etc

 

[spacemarine2023]

"why not other parties"

maybe because its the ruling party at center

they spy on even their western allies - economic espionage / geopolitics etc

It says from 2010. BJP was not in power.

US didn’t need to do because Congress is already in lap of both US and China. BJP is the only nationalist party in India.
Fckin dhindus chutias have no shatrubodh

 

[Tshering22]

"why not other parties"

maybe because it's the ruling party at the center

they spy on even their Western allies - economic espionage/geopolitics etc

Not really. They last spied on Congress party after the Cold War was over. They were virtually running the party during the Dark Decade (2004-2014), putting pressure to put their preferred ministerial candidates in cabinet positions (Montek Singh's case as finance minister). They can't do that with PM Modi ji and that's why they started spying on him.

Remember that the US deep state has had a beef with our PM since the time he was ruling Gujarat. They initially spied on him to see how anti-US he would be, but when they saw him become friendly without capitulating to the American Empire, they got worried about India's strategic autonomy.

The spying has increased even more, since they see a revival of Hindu nationalism in India and see that people are embracing it. Any strong ideology that has its own origins is seen as a threat by the US deep state. Whether Hindu nationalism, Chinese communism, Japanese nationalism or anything else is all the same.

BTW, Nimrata Randhawa has been berating Biden and using us as an election campaign.

 

[Varoon2]

Silly and/or opportunistic remark by Nikki Haley, devoid of thought. Has she heard of the Quad, or India's recent arms purchases from the US, India's more investment friendly( including from the US) policies and behaviour?