India US Relations

[spacemarine2023]

Not really. They last spied on Congress party after the Cold War was over. They were virtually running the party during the Dark Decade (2004-2014), putting pressure to put their preferred ministerial candidates in cabinet positions (Montek Singh's case as finance minister). They can't do that with PM Modi ji and that's why they started spying on him.

Remember that the US deep state has had a beef with our PM since the time he was ruling Gujarat. They initially spied on him to see how anti-US he would be, but when they saw him become friendly without capitulating to the American Empire, they got worried about India's strategic autonomy.

The spying has increased even more, since they see a revival of Hindu nationalism in India and see that people are embracing it. Any strong ideology that has its own origins is seen as a threat by the US deep state. Whether Hindu nationalism, Chinese communism, Japanese nationalism or anything else is all the same.

BTW, Nimrata Randhawa has been berating Biden and using us as an election campaign.

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USA you are not weak you are woke that is worst

 

[Hari Sud]

Not really. They last spied on Congress party after the Cold War was over. They were virtually running the party during the Dark Decade (2004-2014), putting pressure to put their preferred ministerial candidates in cabinet positions (Montek Singh's case as finance minister). They can't do that with PM Modi ji and that's why they started spying on him.

Remember that the US deep state has had a beef with our PM since the time he was ruling Gujarat. They initially spied on him to see how anti-US he would be, but when they saw him become friendly without capitulating to the American Empire, they got worried about India's strategic autonomy.

The spying has increased even more, since they see a revival of Hindu nationalism in India and see that people are embracing it. Any strong ideology that has its own origins is seen as a threat by the US deep state. Whether Hindu nationalism, Chinese communism, Japanese nationalism or anything else is all the same.

BTW, Nimrata Randhawa has been berating Biden and using us as an election campaign.

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US has definitely weakened in last 15 years and for sure in last four years . China’s rise resulted in US being challenged in everything. Now the US may be thinking that had they not built China the way they built it in last 25 years, it would not have happened. They are right in this. If they had not opened their doors for everything made in China, no matter how bad it is, it would not have happened. If the had distributed their needs for cheaper goods around the world in other countries, this would not happened.

Worst, they allowed the Chinese to steal all their technology without any checks. When the U.S. realized that this has happened and tried to stop it, it was too late.

These two things and many more with emphasis to buy everything Chinese is the key driver for Chinese rise and weakening of U.S.

Now US war in Ukraine is doing the rest.

US needs new and firm leadership. The current leadership is too weak and oriented towards a few votes of the minorities. It is not working.

 

[Tshering22]

US has definitely weakened in last 15 years and for sure in last four years . China’s rise resulted in US being challenged in everything. Now the US may be thinking that had they not built China the way they built it in last 25 years, it would not have happened. They are right in this. If they had not opened their doors for everything made in China, no matter how bad it is, it would not have happened. If the had distributed their needs for cheaper goods around the world in other countries, this would not happened.

Worst, they allowed the Chinese to steal all their technology without any checks. When the U.S. realized that this has happened and tried to stop it, it was too late.

These two things and many more with emphasis to buy everything Chinese is the key driver for Chinese rise and weakening of U.S.

Now US war in Ukraine is doing the rest.

US needs new and firm leadership. The current leadership is too weak and oriented towards a few votes of the minorities. It is not working.

But this realization is making the Americans try to cut us down in areas even where there is no conflict with them. The relentless targeting of our institutions must be responded to with a mix of force and lawfare. It is important to assert ourselves and retaliate against institutional attacks by making their minions pay. Working collaboratively while asserting our national interests is the only way to keep the US confused for the next 15 years, until when we are ready to be openly confrontational.

 

[ezsasa]

From a recent report by CSIS.

Interesting...
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Could it be that Indian statecraft, signaling by the MoEA and Indian think tanks have relayed the right information to the US about what works and what doesn't wrt India?

Let's remember however, that anything with America is often a test, wait and watch endeavour.

Link to the essay.
2024 Global Forecast: A World Dividing - Part IV VYING FOR INFLUENCE IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH February 7, 2024

this has been in works for some time since obama and they have been implementing this policy where ever their end of govt financing is not a major factor, political gridlocks within U.S have been preventing them from expanding the programme.

vaccine, sri lanka aid and even recent backing off from putting pressure on BD are a few examples.

 

[shade]

this has been in works for some time since obama and they have been implementing this policy where ever their end of govt financing is not a major factor, political gridlocks within U.S have been preventing them from expanding the programme.

vaccine, sri lanka aid and even recent backing off from putting pressure on BD are a few examples.

The way it works with these star-spangled gandus is exactly like how the guy you've quoted says, you have to power through whatever (((shit-test))) they throw at you, come out without bending the knee and state your terms.

They tried this with China too using the Tiananmen Squara protests -> massacre -> sanctions loop but eventually got on the negotatiating table with China.

ofc the reason there was pure greed wrt China, it's large labor pool and future large market, with us it will be our large supply of warm bodies to be thrown into war with an ascendant China, they don't have the relevant quantities of meat to pay the butcher's bill with, and as Ukraine and Israel-Gaza show, you cannot win wars without boots on ground.

 

[Indrajit]

US needs new and firm leadership. The current leadership is too weak and oriented towards a few votes of the minorities. It is not working.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Demographics is a big dictator of what will happen and that indicates more pandering.

 

[shade]

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Demographics is a big dictator of what will happen and that indicates more pandering.

Their leadership is the deepstate not whichever puppet is made the President.
The deepstate is once again made up of a class of people with a similar god-complex outlook on the world, not any one single (((race))) like people think when the term deepstate is used.

The demographic boogaloo itself is a result of deepstate social engineering

 

[Hari Sud]

Their leadership is the deepstate not whichever puppet is made the President.
The deepstate is once again made up of a class of people with a similar god-complex outlook on the world, not any one single (((race))) like people think when the term deepstate is used.

The demographic boogaloo itself is a result of deepstate social engineering

Perfectly agree with you.

 

[Tshering22]

The attacks on Indians and Indian-Americans continue.

Dr. Jaishankar needs to firmly address this with Blinken and issue a travel advisory to Indians formally.

 

[Tejbrahmastra]

 

[Tshering22]

Silly and/or opportunistic remark by Nikki Haley is devoid of thought. Has she heard of the Quad, or India's recent arms purchases from the US, India's more investment-friendly ( including from the US) policies and behaviour?

At this point, their politicians will use whatever it takes, even if we were buying only sewing needles from Russia. Remember, Russia is the untouchable outcast right now whom they treat with disdain. So anyone touching them will be doubted, hated or feared equally.

Nimrata is clueless of thought because she is facing her toughest contest yet - an all-popular Donald Trump, who has not appeared in a single debate yet leads all charts, who is further reinforced by the second-most popular candidate, Vivek, who'd be the VP.

She's the Republican version of Rahul Gandhi; look at her actions - she became a Sikhni for a few days during her visit to India. Then she went back and started reciting the Bible.

She reminds me of what Varun Grover said about Rahul Gandhi suddenly becoming Hindu in the following skit.


Development and America First is Donald's core competency. She can't get into that. Straightening the economy is Vivek's USP - so she had to do something drastic and different.

 

[Varoon2]

At this point, their politicians will use whatever it takes, even if we were buying only sewing needles from Russia. Remember, Russia is the untouchable outcast right now whom they treat with disdain. So anyone touching them will be doubted, hated or feared equally

Right, though it does feel like they were harder on/ more resentful of, India for its imports of oil from Russia, than toward European countries for their larger imports of oil/natural gas from Russia in the first year and a half of that war. Probably because India's imports also came with a lack of direct denunciation of Russia's actions. There are Americans capable of taking a balanced, thoughtful view of India's stance. A second cousin of mine is married to one! He's of Irish- Italian background. At the dinner table, he remarked that India is certainly not approving of Russia's behaviour, but India wants some leverage, and that explains its position. If only such people were in the corridors of power in the US, India wouldn't have even a fraction of the problems it's had with the US all these decades!

 

[ezsasa]

Right, though it does feel like they were harder on/ more resentful of, India for its imports of oil from Russia, than toward European countries for their larger imports of oil/natural gas from Russia in the first year and a half of that war. Probably because India's imports also came with a lack of direct denunciation of Russia's actions. There are Americans capable of taking a balanced, thoughtful view of India's stance. A second cousin of mine is married to one! He's of Irish- Italian background. At the dinner table, he remarked that India is certainly not approving of Russia's behaviour, but India wants some leverage, and that explains its position. If only such people were in the corridors of power in the US, India wouldn't have even a fraction of the problems it's had with the US all these decades!

it's not that they don't know these things. look at it from murican perspective.

firstly we have to remember that they have an inefficient feedback loop system, as in the feedback their state department/white house gets from other countries is from political and journalistic appointees who prioritise reinforcement of ideological views/establishment narrative rather than facts on the ground. "The Blood Telegram" of 71 is an example of this, Archer was informing his president of things that were not reaching his ear thru traditional feedback loop. to solve this mystery i had started the global think tank thread, after curating it for a number of years, i can say with a fair degree of confidence, their feedback loop consists a considerable degree of omission of facts on ground.

secondly, for a non treaty ally like India, if the premise is every thing is kumbaya, where would the leverage for negotiations come from. even though India is not an enemy/adversary of U.S, but there will always be things that needs to be negotiated on the table.

and thirdly, globally there is an entire cabal of academia and news media who refuse to move out of their comfort zone of viewing India thru colonial lense. this lot reinforce the stereotypes for the first point.

Not just muricans, GoI too needs to take into account murican internal systems and build institutional capacity, when planning their engagements with U.S.

 

[spacemarine2023]

it's not that they don't know these things. look at it from murican perspective.

firstly we have to remember that they have an inefficient feedback loop system, as in the feedback their state department/white house gets from other countries is from political and journalistic appointees who prioritise reinforcement of ideological views/establishment narrative rather than facts on the ground. "The Blood Telegram" of 71 is an example of this, Archer was informing his president of things that were not reaching his ear thru traditional feedback loop. to solve this mystery i had started the global think tank thread, after curating it for a number of years, i can say with a fair degree of confidence, their feedback loop consists a considerable degree of omission of facts on ground.

secondly, for a non treaty ally like India, if the premise is every thing is kumbaya, where would the leverage for negotiations come from. even though India is not an enemy/adversary of U.S, but there will always be things that needs to be negotiated on the table.

and thirdly, globally there is an entire cabal of academia and news media who refuse to move out of their comfort zone of viewing India thru colonial lense. this lot reinforce the stereotypes for the first point.

Not just muricans, GoI too needs to take into account murican internal systems and build institutional capacity, when planning their engagements with U.S.

Nothing can be farther from truth, USA has developed, mastered and weaponised information gathering. Feedback lol no US department doesn’t depend on beaurocracy or media channels.

These folks probably has more information on lost ancient text of Hinduism than even Govt of India.

USA follows Judea Christian agenda where all the information is analysed and a policy is drafted how to use what information to further their own agenda.

US front line media is used for massive propaganda by US system, then frontline think tanks are sophistically used to convey the same to systems of opposing nations.
What people dont understand is USA is in constant zeal with its massive digital edge to find cracks into all current and potential adversaries there is none that is not classified as not one.

Missionaries, Islamists, Communists, Military, Useful Idiots, Economy is all tools they have on their speed dial.

One is fool to believe USA Govt/System has feedback problem

 

[ezsasa]

Nothing can be farther from truth, USA has developed, mastered and weaponised information gathering. Feedback lol no US department doesn’t depend on beaurocracy or media channels.

These folks probably has more information on lost ancient text of Hinduism than even Govt of India.

USA follows Judea Christian agenda where all the information is analysed and a policy is drafted how to use what information to further their own agenda.

US front line media is used for massive propaganda by US system, then frontline think tanks are sophistically used to convey the same to systems of opposing nations.
What people dont understand is USA is in constant zeal with its massive digital edge to find cracks into all current and potential adversaries there is none that is not classified as not one.

Missionaries, Islamists, Communists, Military, Useful Idiots, Economy is all tools they have on their speed dial.

One is fool to believe USA Govt/System has feedback problem

this premise works only when there is no intent to engage with the U.S, which is not the case with GoI.

 

[spacemarine2023]

this premise works only when there is no intent to engage with the U.S, which is not the case with GoI.

USA with its firmly established policies regarding India, presents a challenge for engagement but can be effectively managed to mitigate adverse effects while maximising mutual benefits. Basically managing not engaging.

 

[ezsasa]

USA with its firmly established policies regarding India, presents a challenge for engagement but can be effectively managed to mitigate adverse effects while maximising mutual benefits. Basically managing not engaging.

Jaishankar writes: “This is a time to engage America, manage China, cultivate Europe, reassure Russia, bring Japan into play.”

from his book.
The India way

 

[spacemarine2023]

Jaishankar writes: “This is a time to engage America, manage China, cultivate Europe, reassure Russia, bring Japan into play.”

from his book.
The India way

Jaishankar is repeating this again and again recently also he said something on similar lines, Modi basically welcomed them for partnership.
In reply India is getting Manipur, Khalistan and Sub national diplomacy. Raul Vinci and other opposition leaders seems in regular communes with US deep state actors aka CIA and other Intel and Soros like pawns

 

[ezsasa]

Jaishankar is repeating this again and again recently also he said something on similar lines, Modi basically welcomed them for partnership.

it's his quote, he will repeat it as many times he wants, to convey the point across.

In reply India is getting Manipur, Khalistan and Sub national diplomacy. Raul Vinci and other opposition leaders seems in regular communes with US deep state actors aka CIA and other Intel and Soros like pawns

sure, this is also true. not just U.S, european elements are involved too.

that's what diplomats are for, to handle these sort of situations.

 

[shade]

Jaishankar is repeating this again and again recently also he said something on similar lines, Modi basically welcomed them for partnership.
In reply India is getting Manipur, Khalistan and Sub national diplomacy. Raul Vinci and other opposition leaders seems in regular communes with US deep state actors aka CIA and other Intel and Soros like pawns

Those are all shit-tests to get us to bend over.
They tried that with the Chinkus in the form of the Tiananmen Square protests which the CCP answered with an unexpected massacre and expulsion of imported journalists among other things, and incurred sanctions.

Since then gora sahib has been at the negotiation table with chinky and has desisted from his usual tricks except for the Hong Kong azadi protests in 2020-2021 which mysteriously ended when the Wuhan Virus was released