HitmanBlood
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Giga Chad Jaishankar
Imo, the relationship with Russia in a decade will be more on nostalgia than tangible benefits. While it might pain the Pro-Russians in our country, Russia can't be depended upon as they're quickly becoming China's junior partner.And I doubt there is something called russian led world order against west anymore as we move forward . It ll be china led world order against west . So I am afraid we might not even have a choice in this regard . At best we ll engage Russia at individual level and keep the diverging forces some what less hostile , manageable towards our interest .
Unless we badly fuck up like Nehru did during Cold War, we wouldn't be abandoning any camp.This is Indian perspective. This is how India wants to be but it may not be agreed by other side. America can throw India out of their camp and Russia too can ditch India to join Chinese camp.
The world of geopolitics is full of uncertainties. The only assurance is our own strength.
Maybe this my last reply on this topic.@HitmanBlood "Let's hate west and be against them " is trendy and based . I get it . But should it be against our interest . Is China going to welcome us with sonpapdi after that .. We have nothing to gain here .
The dragon is the true threat thoughNever understood why Indians think China is the biggest threat when America is 10X worse. China doesn't have a fifth column inside India. How many elite Indians - especially in the media - are mindslaves of the US? How much cultural influence does the US have vs China over India? Wokism, LGBT stuff, radical feminism. All this is Western and especially US imports. China actually opposes all those things.
I'm not saying China is perfect. They fucked up in 2020 with the border skirmish and they alone bear responsibility for that crisis. But that is peanuts compared to the long-term cultural threat that the US poses. It won't be long before "Brahmanical patriarchy" becomes the norm in sociological seminars all across India and the Modi govt will be too scared to do anything about it. And if anyone dares do anything, the US will scream about "freedom of speech".
India is dancing with a snake to fend off a dragon.
Ukraine isn't a nuclear nation unlike Pakistan. So, the possibility of a full-scale war between India and Paki is low.We need to get out of this mindset that "war is a thing of the past". No self-respecting country that wants to have a sovereign, independent stance on the global high table takes this view.
COAS said this recently:-
Agree with that. Which is why Armed Forces are working on a non-contact warfare doctrine. @ezsasa had made a thread about it. But no progress heard about it in public domain since General Rawat's untimely demise.However, Conventional warfare was THE only way in the past. But now, we can also wage war across multiple domains: Information. Trade. Diplomacy. Technology. Biological.
Conventional warfare shouldn't be treated as the only arrow in the quiver.
why does everyone assume that when we are anti USA,we can't compete against china.we put in more harsher anti-china policies than the so called superpower who is officially in competition with china.@HitmanBlood "Let's hate west and be against them " is trendy and based . I get it . But should it be against our interest . Is China going to welcome us with sonpapdi after that .. We have nothing to gain here .
Huge essay but a tiny problem, none of them come close to Indo-Russian relationship.Lol..if you think Israel gave India all those weapons without US's acknowledgement then you are naive.. Whole of Israel defense establisment is highly coupled with US DoD and every year Israel get around $100 billion in military aid from Uncle Sam..
Also if you think US has provided zero tech to India then you are again wrong. The LCA fighter jets Programme got a decent amount of help from US companies especially (Lockheed Martin & GE) in the 80's after Late Indira and her Son Rajiv Gandhi started thawing relationship with the US. There was brief gap due to sanctions imposed by Clinton Admin due 98 nuclear blast as well as Kargil war. But thing started opening up in 2002 when US Sectary of Defense Rumsfeld visited India to start laying the ground work of Indo-US Civil Nuclear Program along with other technical cooperation. I can go on with provided tons of organizational as well as technical cooperation between US & India but I just hat typing all that at the moment.
Now does US screws over its own allies ? Yes it does in order to maintain Military & technical supremacy ( For eg: Israel used to have a fighter jet program, but the US went out of its way to sabotage that in order to keep the sales of F-16s to IAF.
The best path for India is to start development its own MIC especially with the help Indian Companies etc. Indian Defence Organization should focus on quality R&D, reduce its staff, outsource lot of manufacturing to defence manufacturers like TATA & Kalyani while maintaining the IPs to its self. DARPA of USA and DRDO of India have almost similar budget but DARPA has half the staff of DRDO since unlike DRDO it doesn't do manufacturing, maintenance etc but instead hires the best minds to do important Weapons platform development and contract out the test & simulation as well as manufacturing to other companies.
This is my take, or maybe I am wrong and you guys know more than me..
You write an essay, missing the main point - WAR.
Pak never consider attacking India using Chinese junk, but they will using US weapons.
India know balakot counter strike - now US upgrading Pak F16 why ? and what happened to Ukraine. ''Not fooling anybody'' - said by Jaishankar, becz he & India knows F16 actual purpose, to attack India. If US unable to provide satisfying statement, India have no choice, but to upgraded existing fighter jets, reconsider su57, jv with Safran.
Anyways its a good news to restarting Indo-US relationship without military angle [weapon purchase] and to focus on make in India, trade, fdi etc improving Indian economy & hdi neglecting politics.
I see a pattern , PAAP , KHANgress , mahaTHUGbandhan third front , Cutlets & now KHALIstanis are all bought & paid for by CIA glowniggers & being groomed for an insurrection in 2024 . These traitors need to be cut down to size .You didn't read the "They think" before that?
The point is they are doing to try some toolkit protest in late 2023, shaheen bagh and khalistani protest were just trial runs, by now you know that Congress has whored itself out wholesale to the CIA, and Kejriwal was already an asset since 2012.
So they will try to use another toolkit protest to either boot Mudi baba out of power, or if he wins try to show him as fascis, racis, nazi etc etc by pushing him so that he has to respond with violence.
The best way to know what is the "ideal state" the (((West))) wants India in is to read their rags like BBC, NYT, WaPo with the amount of negative propaganda they push out, they want to reduce India to their own puppet state.
There is no upside in doing an Imran Khan on these matters. The US is our biggest trading partner and while the US has largely gone along with India's reservations on many issues, they don't lack leverage . The idea is to keep the US on our side while still mostly doing what we feel necessary. Some give and take is necessary in diplomacy, if all we had to do was tell someone to f..o.., diplomacy isn't needed. Imran Khan would do.All is said and fine but the US must be made to understand that India will have its independence one way or the other from all others and that means energy independence, food independence, security independence, defense industry independence, etc. So if India wants to buy Iranian oil or Russian oil and US has a problem with that, US must be told to fuck off in the strongest terms. If India wants to buy Russian weapons, US can well fuck off. If India wants to sell weapons to Russia or Iran, then US can well fuck off.
Be patriotic, but level headed.All is said and fine but the US must be made to understand that India will have its independence one way or the other from all others and that means energy independence, food independence, security independence, defense industry independence, etc. So if India wants to buy Iranian oil or Russian oil and US has a problem with that, US must be told to fuck off in the strongest terms. If India wants to buy Russian weapons, US can well fuck off. If India wants to sell weapons to Russia or Iran, then US can well fuck off.
I would like to add even this forum is running on UK based platform.Be patriotic, but level headed.
No country in the world—not even China which is the next biggest power in the world—can tell the US to F off.
If we want to do whatever we want regardless of US' sanctions, then we'll have to be strong enough. We're growing, but we're nowhere near. If we were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Forget Defense, Economy and Oil—we aren't independent in them and won't be in this decade. Next decade? There's a good chance.
But there's something that's not certain even in next decade.
Our Tech. This is the weakest link. Even if we become independent in every other domain, we are literally nowhere in Tech independence.
Our national narratives are subject to the whims of Twitter, Facebook. We depend on Google and Youtube for most content.
With these big giants all catering to US, how can we achieve Tech independence? If we don't, how can we tell the US to F off?
and the UK platform is running on Indian numbers and mathematics. What’s your point?I would like to add even this forum is running on UK based platform.
...I'm assuming you're trying to joke. Anyway, our ancestors invented the numbers centuries ago but we can't use that to earn $$$. Brits invented these companies a few decades ago but they can not only earn $$, they can also exert influence.and the UK platform is running on Indian numbers and mathematics. What’s your point?
India tested nuclear weapons, brought s400, spending billions to buy Russian equipment, brought/buying Russian oil. Its just our case.Be patriotic, but level headed.
No country in the world—not even China which is the next biggest power in the world—can tell the US to F off.
If we want to do whatever we want regardless of US' sanctions, then we'll have to be strong enough. We're growing, but we're nowhere near. If we were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Forget Defense, Economy and Oil—we aren't independent in them and won't be in this decade. Next decade? There's a good chance.
But there's something that's not certain even in next decade.
Our Tech. This is the weakest link. Even if we become independent in every other domain, we are literally nowhere in Tech independence.
Our national narratives are subject to the whims of Twitter, Facebook. We depend on Google and Youtube for most content.
With these big giants all catering to US, how can we achieve Tech independence? If we don't, how can we tell the US to F off?
The point is you are behaving like a total retard.and the UK platform is running on Indian numbers and mathematics. What’s your point?
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