India US Relations

[patriots]

. what's about sanction...
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[Kshatriya87]

India just has 6-7GW of nuclear energy. 2.4GW is for military plutonium production. India really does not care if 1-2 GW of civilian nuclear reactor went down. We have hundreds of GW of coal power and other power with total installed capacity over 300GW. 1% change is not a big deal

I understand its a minor change in the existing facilities. But the scope of expansion & construction of new reactors cannot be performed if you don't have the surety that you have secured an unhindered supply of fuel for the next couple of decades.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

I understand its a minor change in the existing facilities. But the scope of expansion & construction of new reactors cannot be performed if you don't have the surety that you have secured an unhindered supply of fuel for the next couple of decades.

There is no surety even now. The uranium supply is sporadic and highly political. If USA changes direction, the Uranium supply can vanish. The deal only gives waiver and nothing else

 

[Kshatriya87]

There is no surety even now. The uranium supply is sporadic and highly political. If USA changes direction, the Uranium supply can vanish. The deal only gives waiver and nothing else

True that. But you have mentioned only one deal i.e. with US. As the article mentions, there are a dozen countries with whom India has signed deals for supply of nuclear fuel now.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

True that. But you have mentioned only one deal i.e. with US. As the article mentions, there are a dozen countries with whom India has signed deals for supply of nuclear fuel now.

All of the countries whom India signed deal were either giving Uranium even before USA-123 agreement like Russia and former USSR states like Kazhakhstan or those who are NATO and allies -Canada, France, Australia etc

 

[Adioz]

Fed up of these USA moves:-

• They complaint of trade barriers we set up to support domestic solar panel manufacturers at the WTO, forcing us to withdraw.
• They themselves withdraw from Paris climate deal.
• They threaten to bully us on S-400 deal; before and after we signed it.
• Then they want us to cold shoulder Iran on oil and all other strategic investments.
• But they also want us to play a meaningful role in Afghanistan.
• Then their idiot president threatens us with trade war.
• And now this:-

US does not want firms to store data in India, other countries

We want to have prohibitions on data localisation to ensure free flow of information and free flow of data across borders: Deputy US Trade Representative and US Ambassador to the WTO Dennis Shea

I say let them sanction us. That will be the end of this relationship and we will learn enough not to trust Americans again. I will be happy and content once the American defence contractors are shut out of our defence market. This will close a direct route they can take to destroy our indigenous defence industry.

The only problems will be in the short term, in projects like Tejas, etc. But once we get Kaveri, that can go up again. And then there is our defence relationship with Israel, not sure what will happen to it either. USA got leverage on Israel.

Although I hope if these sanctions do happen, they must not happen until Modi gets re-elected. If these sanctions hit before that, RaGa might get elected as PM. And that will turn this opportunity into a double whammy.

 

[ezsasa]

Fed up of these USA moves:-

• They complaint of trade barriers we set up to support domestic solar panel manufacturers at the WTO, forcing us to withdraw.
• They themselves withdraw from Paris climate deal.
• They threaten to bully us on S-400 deal; before and after we signed it.
• Then they want us to cold shoulder Iran on oil and all other strategic investments.
• But they also want us to play a meaningful role in Afghanistan.
• Then their idiot president threatens us with trade war.
• And now this:-

US does not want firms to store data in India, other countries


I say let them sanction us. That will be the end of this relationship and we will learn enough not to trust Americans again. I will be happy and content once the American defence contractors are shut out of our defence market. This will close a direct route they can take to destroy our indigenous defence industry.

The only problems will be in the short term, in projects like Tejas, etc. But once we get Kaveri, that can go up again. And then there is our defence relationship with Israel, not sure what will happen to it either. USA got leverage on Israel.

Although I hope if these sanctions do happen, they must not happen until Modi gets re-elected. If these sanctions hit before that, RaGa might get elected as PM. And that will turn this opportunity into a double whammy.

It’s not going to work this time, data localisation is going to happen because Indian industry wants it to happen.

Moreover Indian data is worth billions of $...

 

[Indx TechStyle]

View: Why on earth is the US batting with China against India?

 

[aghamarshana]

#BREAKING: India says, ‘we are adequately prepared to deal with the impact of this decision’, reacting on the announcement by US to discontinue the Significant Reduction Exemption to all purchasers of crude oil from Iran.

Did we jus show a middle finger to Unkil?[emoji23]

 

[garg_bharat]

US does not want firms to store data in India, other countries

See there is an issue. For example youtube is an American company bound by US laws. Same with facebook. Even data of this website may be on some USA server.

Unless India has local apps, the benefit of storing data locally is not really there.
For example Flipkart and Reliance Retail can store data locally.

Another issue is that countries like India, Pakistan etc. can have oppressive governments. Any local data storage also means government access to this data. Which can be used against own citizens.

USA should not be seen as an enemy. Platforms like twitter and youtube have benefited democracy in India.

OK this data allows USA to use this data for its own intelligence purposes. But then I feel safer with USA having this data compared to some South Asian country.

Our democracy is still very fragile. I think we should be careful what we wish for.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Did we jus show a middle finger to Unkil?

Or did we show it to Iran?
Our fuel imports from Iran are rising in numbers but are falling in terms of total energy imports as we are shifting to other suppliers.

 

[aghamarshana]

Or did we show it to Iran?
Our fuel imports from Iran are rising in numbers but are falling in terms of total energy imports as we are shifting to other suppliers.

Maybe. Maybe not.
Iran is a bubble. We don't want to risk our chances.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Or did we show it to Iran?
Our fuel imports from Iran are rising in numbers but are falling in terms of total energy imports as we are shifting to other suppliers.

There will be either a favourable deal with GCC or we are getting Iran oil

 

[ezsasa]

See there is an issue. For example youtube is an American company bound by US laws. Same with facebook. Even data of this website may be on some USA server.

Unless India has local apps, the benefit of storing data locally is not really there.
For example Flipkart and Reliance Retail can store data locally.

Another issue is that countries like India, Pakistan etc. can have oppressive governments. Any local data storage also means government access to this data. Which can be used against own citizens.

USA should not be seen as an enemy. Platforms like twitter and youtube have benefited democracy in India.

OK this data allows USA to use this data for its own intelligence purposes. But then I feel safer with USA having this data compared to some South Asian country.

Our democracy is still very fragile. I think we should be careful what we wish for.

Firstly major American companies like Gillette had their data centres in India for more than 15 years(unless they moved them to Singapore in last 5-7 years).

Second : issue is not with where the data is stored, issue is with where indian security or judicial agencies have access to data even after due procedure is followed. Right now Indian agencies do not have control over data access.

Third: Germany had strict data protection laws for more than 15 years, Americans don’t have problems with that.

Fourth: india is not a novice in data centre management, server farms have existed India for more than two decades. All major Indian cities have server farms maintained by private companies. Ctrl-S Is an example of such Indian companies.

Finally: we can’t take chances with with another event like burning of ancient taxila University anymore. With the amount of Indian content being generated these days we can’t be relying on underwater sea cables to have access to our own data. Imagine a crisis situation when some terrorist organisation manages to cut sea cable to cause destruction in the future.

 

[captscooby81]

So we are falling in line with Uncle s dikat and shifting our suppliers . It better be we are getting some defence tech share or better deal for this compromise of giving business to uncle friends in ME. Especially the Saudis

 

[garg_bharat]

Storing website data in India is very easy, just host the website on an Indian server. However sensitive data should never be on public servers. This is a task which government can handle easily. Data in facebook twitter etc is another matter.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

There will be either a favourable deal with GCC or we are getting Iran oil

I hope we shift our dependence from oil to other source ASAP.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

I hope we shift our dependence from oil to other source ASAP.

If you have noticed, I am the one giving petroleum theory of war and have extensively written about how petroleum can't be substituted. Only closest substitute is coal liquefaction

 

[vampyrbladez]

Trump Re-election Strategy Detailed :


I Helped Obama Win in 2012. Now Trump Is Using the Same Playbook.

Democrats have ceded the field, allowing the president to define the terms of the general election.

JUN 9, 2019
Ben LaBolt
Former national press secretary for President Obama’s reelection campaign

The general-election campaign is happening today. And Donald Trump is running unopposed.

Presidents who have recently won reelection seeded their victories not in the final sprint before Election Day, but by executing a two-year campaign to exploit a contentious primary on the other side, reconnect with their base of supporters, and define the election as a choice, not a referendum. I served as the national press secretary on President Barack Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign, when we used that strategy to great effect. Now I’m watching President Trump executing the same strategy that powered Obama to reelection, while the Democratic organizations that could answer him have left an open playing field in the battleground states where the election will be decided.

The Trump campaign launched at the start of 2019 and hasn’t paused for a day. It is using the candidate’s schedule, a staffed-up campaign team, and a sophisticated digital-advertising effort to reach its target voters. The campaign has spent more than $5 million on Facebook ads, with a particular focus on older voters and women, firing up the base by attacking “fake news” and promoting its message on immigration. The advertising team has gone beyond social-media campaigns, sponsoring podcasts and creating a significant paid-media presence on YouTube. In fact, Trump is outspending Democrats six to one on video ads, the primary digital-engagement tool for voters today.
Simultaneously, Trump has begun to hold rallies in battleground states across the country, dipping into media markets where he can fire up his base, such as Panama City, Florida, and battleground markets, such as Green Bay, Wisconsin. Many of these visits lead to localized polling bumps that last for weeks.

Look no further than the Trump campaign’s press secretary’s Twitter feed to watch daily footage of the campaign reconnecting with supporters and asking them to engage its networks. Trump’s campaign manager is raising general-election funds and appearing before influential audiences.

Meanwhile, neither the Democratic National Committee nor any of the major Democratic super PACs are live with any notable broadcast or digital-advertising budget in battleground states targeted toward general-election swing voters. The 23 Democratic presidential campaigns are naturally focused on proximate targets, such as winning early states and meeting the DNC’s fundraising thresholds. As a partner at Bully Pulpit Interactive, a communications and digital-marketing agency that has in the past served as an advertiser for Democratic presidential campaigns and super PACs, I follow this world closely. I’ve seen a number of campaigns begin to spend on digital advertising, but their ads are not focused on messages that will erode support for Trump. That’s not the role they are expected to play at this stage.

Democrats face the urgent necessity of countering the Trump campaign in the battleground states. The leading Democratic presidential candidates have raised less this year than they did in 2007. (In the first quarter, Senator Bernie Sanders topped out at $18.2 million, followed by Senator Kamala Harris at $12 million. In the first quarter of 2007, Hillary Clinton raised $26.1 million, and Barack Obama raised $25.7 million.) Democratic donors may be sitting on the sidelines because the field is wide and they are undecided. But if so, that also represents an opportunity. They could fund an effort that turns to the general election today even if they haven’t picked their primary horse.

There is no dearth of advertising material to air. The Chinese are importing soybeans from Russia and Brazil instead of Iowa and Ohio. Trump is steadily unwinding protections for LGBTQ Americans. Taxes have gone up on some voters who pay state income taxes after Republicans repealed the state and local tax exemption. And Democrats are again fighting to protect health-care benefits. The content writes itself.

What worries me is that I’ve implemented many aspects of the strategy that the Trump campaign has been executing. The groundwork for President Obama’s 2012 victory against Mitt Romney was laid in 2011. In November of that year, The New York Times Magazine ran a cover story called “Is Obama Toast?” declaring that Obama had a 17 percent chance of winning reelection based on the economic indicators that had been historically predictive of whether the president wins reelection.

We on the Obama campaign didn’t let those early odds intimidate us. By the spring, we had launched a major effort to reinvigorate Obama’s activists, define Romney to swing voters by highlighting his every jolt to the right, and build a data-driven field and persuasion effort. Quietly, we fed research to media outlets that would highlight Romney’s hypocrisy, providing ammunition to his Republican-primary opponents, and draw attention to the deficiencies in his record in the private sector and as governor, which would concern general-election voters. And as we tested and finessed the most effective frame for the general election, we learned that we needed to do more education about Obama’s success in turning around the economy after the financial crisis.

We, too, had studied prior playbooks. President George W. Bush used the Democratic knife fight between Dick Gephardt, Howard Dean, Wesley Clark, and John Kerry to define the field as angry and unpatriotic and to begin to conduct a persuasion campaign to the segment of voters that would decide the election. In 1995, President Bill Clinton took swift action to recover from devastating losses in the midterm elections by linking Bob Dole with the more extreme and unpopular Newt Gingrich.

While Trump’s soft poll numbers may suggest otherwise, the general-election battle won’t be easy, in large part because he’s getting a head start. The Trump campaign entertained appeals from the Russians and WikiLeaks the last time around; it’s anyone’s guess what measures he and his staff will take to win reelection. The Democratic candidates should be careful not to get caught up in a primary debate that rewards purity (No fundraisers! Attend every forum regardless of audience!) over preparing a precise plan to win the broadest set of voters in order to halt President Trump’s historic assault on Democratic—and democratic—values.

It’s not time for Democrats to despair; it’s time for us to engage. Because primary campaigns have finite resources and shorter-term needs to address before they can get to the main battle, the DNC and allied super PACs need to begin advertising now in battleground states to provide air cover for the future nominee while he or she is tied up in what will likely be a highly competitive and lengthy primary race.

Donors, including those waiting to pick their favored candidate, should invest now in a serious, year-long fill-the-gap effort that ensures that the Trump campaign’s dominance is checked as quickly as possible. And activists, as they engage in primary organizing, should also consider what steps they can take today to win next year’s election, from registering voters to persuading swing voters in battleground states.

If Democrats don’t act now, the Trump campaign will define the general election on its own terms, before we can even choose our nominee.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...-win-2020-heres-what-democrats-can-do/591265/

 

[WolfPack86]

India, US may sign a pact on defence technology sharing at 2-plus-2 Washington meet
India and the US are heading in the right direction on the defence technology-sharing pact. The two countries are expected to sign a deal at the upcoming 2+2 dialogue in Washington on December 19. The deal will make way for the participation of aviation majors in the contest to manufacture and supply 114 combat jets to the Indian Air Force.

A key Indo-US industry body feels that the best way to go ahead with procurement — valued at about $20 billion — is through a government-to-government deal to enable ‘Make in India’ and technology-sharing.

Sources told ET that the upcoming dialogue, being led by defence minister Rajnath Singh and external affairs minister S Jaishankar, will focus on renewed efforts to take forward the Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) to include drone warfare, light-weight arms and virtual augmented reality.


It is expected that the two sides will sign the Industrial Security Annex (ISA) that will enable transfer of technology by a US firm to its Indian partners in the private sector. While several US companies, including Lockheed Martin and Boeing, are already working on defence products with Indian partners — mostly to meet offset obligations — the projects are primarily of the ‘build to print’ kind.

The ISA, sources said, would enable transfer of key high-end technology pieces regulated under the US law and would have safeguards to ensure that the information is protected under Indian law. “Basically, an ISA lets the US industry share sensitive US information and technology with Indian companies. Used effectively, it enables India to jump start its indigenous defence industry through much more sophisticated partnerships with the US industry,” US-India Strategic Partnership Forum senior advisor Vikram J Singh told ET.

The industry forum shares the perspective of several global aviation majors that the complex plan to build 114 fighter jets after a selection process would be best served under a government-togovernment deal that would assure transfer of technology.

“FMS, which is the governmentto-government system for the United States, is probably the only way for this deal to work with a US firm. FMS is also desirable — there have been no incidents of corruption or scandal in billions of dollars of FMS transactions with India. Integrating into a global f leet of thousands of aircraft would do more to boost India’s defence industry than almost anything else,” Singh said.

As reported by ET, India and the US are unlikely to sign a key foundational defence agreement for mutual access to high accuracy geospatial maps as technical issues on sharing of data have still not been worked out. The pact will however come up for discussion during the meeting. Talks will also focus on revitalising the DTTI initiative that has little to show for in terms of projects but is currently being reworked. As reported by ET, a DTTI plan to share technology for building fighter jet engines has been ‘suspended’ but new areas of cooperation are being identified.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...gy-sharing-at-2-plus-2-Washington-meet-798314