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Now you are talking....one look at your own families and stats come pretty accurate to your intution....although I am not sure anymore as we got decrowned by the new west.

Some champ was bleating and point to studies in other thread about malnutrition and what not....it must be their burgers and high nutrition that caused their brains to go dead dumb. IQ is not about inventing, its about keeping your survival intact and being human or animals, keep your offsprings and their extensions to wider culture and country survive and preserve.
In the past when Indian leaders would visit world leaders they would speak almost nothing and not give replies or rebuttals to questions. Jay Shankar is the first Indian politician who has been able to give meaningful reply.
 

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In the past when Indian leaders would visit world leaders they would speak almost nothing and not give replies or rebuttals to questions. Jay Shankar is the first Indian politician who has been able to give meaningful reply.
NOt replying is ok, Chinese never got into ego conflicts and let the opponent look big especially if they are not weaker than them but they used that energy to build themselves up stronger until the time came and now you see them treating americans like jhaant ki baal....my wonderful prof always used to say never debate with idiots but its hard not to do. Good to see JS do talk and also walk a lot too.
 

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Indians have always been ignorant when it comes to politics wherever they are in the world regardless of education or earning power. Indian cab and Indian doctor generally vote same way.
Generally speaking and based on my interactions with Indians in US the ones who are into 2nd amendment vote republican.
 

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India has no choice but to play along with America

India had little choice but to agree to the American demand to investigate the attempted assassination of Gurpatwant Pannu, despite his notorious reputation as a terrorist and anti-Indian agitator. This action may be perceived as yielding to American pressure, but it was a necessary step.

India had and still has good reasons to bow to American pressure. Reasons: Our economy stands on the brink of expansion, though our financial standing is merely adequate; to truly grow, we require substantial investment. In addition the security landscape, with adversaries to the north and west, instill fear in any observer. Consequently, when junior Western diplomats meddle in our internal affairs, our options are limited to mere protesting.

Consider China as a pertinent example. They maintained silence and placated Western provocations from 1990 to 2015. Having secured substantial investments and emerged as dominant export partners, they now challenge Western attempts at dictating policy. Reflect on the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989; the West remained silent, refraining from interfering in China's domestic affairs, recognizing its strategic value in countering Russia. Even today, as China wields influence fueled by Western capital, few dare to question their actions.

In contrast, a cadre of minor diplomats, housed in the German Embassy or the U.S. State Department, are advising India on purely internal matter on politicians embroiled in dubious financial practices. Ignoring the nuances of the situation, these diplomats brazenly interject themselves into our internal affairs. This is nothing short of blatant interference, particularly appalling given the overtly partisan legal maneuvers in U.S. itself, where effort is underway aimed at sidelining Donald Trump from upcoming elections in the U.S. It is imperative that they be shown mirror of reality of their own actions.

India must tread cautiously, avoiding escalation; it runs counter to our immediate interests. We require investment, technology, and trade from the West. Short of complete capitulation, we must refrain from antagonizing them, tolerating minor irritations as necessary. In due course, the West will come to know the truth and realize that the funds in Delhi government treasury did vanish due to astute manipulation of regulations, lining the pockets of the political elite.

In addition the U.S. has unwisely initiated a case intended to smear India in a terrorism-related matter involving Pannu. However, it is unlikely to progress swiftly, given the paucity of evidence and the dubious credibility of witnesses, some of whom are paid agents. Moreover, any defense could implicate the CIA, a predicament the U.S. is loath to confront. Truthfully, the CIA's involvement complicates matters and would be detrimental to U.S. interests if revealed.

Therefore, let us await the return of rationality in the West. India, unlike China, is a friend and is unwilling to engage in war of words over minor issues detailed above. As India reaches $10 Trillion economy then it will be the West watching its words when speaking to India. That time is only 5-7 years away.
 

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India has no choice but to play along with America

India had little choice but to agree to the American demand to investigate the attempted assassination of Gurpatwant Pannu, despite his notorious reputation as a terrorist and anti-Indian agitator. This action may be perceived as yielding to American pressure, but it was a necessary step.

India had and still has good reasons to bow to American pressure. Reasons: Our economy stands on the brink of expansion, though our financial standing is merely adequate; to truly grow, we require substantial investment. In addition the security landscape, with adversaries to the north and west, instill fear in any observer. Consequently, when junior Western diplomats meddle in our internal affairs, our options are limited to mere protesting.

Consider China as a pertinent example. They maintained silence and placated Western provocations from 1990 to 2015. Having secured substantial investments and emerged as dominant export partners, they now challenge Western attempts at dictating policy. Reflect on the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989; the West remained silent, refraining from interfering in China's domestic affairs, recognizing its strategic value in countering Russia. Even today, as China wields influence fueled by Western capital, few dare to question their actions.

In contrast, a cadre of minor diplomats, housed in the German Embassy or the U.S. State Department, are advising India on purely internal matter on politicians embroiled in dubious financial practices. Ignoring the nuances of the situation, these diplomats brazenly interject themselves into our internal affairs. This is nothing short of blatant interference, particularly appalling given the overtly partisan legal maneuvers in U.S. itself, where effort is underway aimed at sidelining Donald Trump from upcoming elections in the U.S. It is imperative that they be shown mirror of reality of their own actions.

India must tread cautiously, avoiding escalation; it runs counter to our immediate interests. We require investment, technology, and trade from the West. Short of complete capitulation, we must refrain from antagonizing them, tolerating minor irritations as necessary. In due course, the West will come to know the truth and realize that the funds in Delhi government treasury did vanish due to astute manipulation of regulations, lining the pockets of the political elite.

In addition the U.S. has unwisely initiated a case intended to smear India in a terrorism-related matter involving Pannu. However, it is unlikely to progress swiftly, given the paucity of evidence and the dubious credibility of witnesses, some of whom are paid agents. Moreover, any defense could implicate the CIA, a predicament the U.S. is loath to confront. Truthfully, the CIA's involvement complicates matters and would be detrimental to U.S. interests if revealed.

Therefore, let us await the return of rationality in the West. India, unlike China, is a friend and is unwilling to engage in war of words over minor issues detailed above. As India reaches $10 Trillion economy then it will be the West watching its words when speaking to India. That time is only 5-7 years away.
one doesn’t reach 10 Trillion Dollar by being mellow to west, not sure why this concept has homed into many Indians.

To become mammoth economy one needs to be ruthless, one needs to be assertive one needs to be proactive.

These openly public meddling by west to save its rats inside and outside India needs to be dealt with iron hand.

India is growing because of our own potential we are not growing due to largesse of west.

India is growing due to its own set up fuelled by quick policy implementations, large investments in Infrastructure, open arms to investments not by US or west govt largesses.

No one is going to invest their money into you if they dont see a good ROI, its simple fundamental economics.

West can today arrest our officials on made up charges they can do it tmmrw also, India needs to make sure there is some cost somewhere that these west political elite pays only way to stop them not being mellow.

Wrong thinking…

Our motto should be “Bhay Bin Na Ho Priti”
Thats what our ancient Bharat tells us
 
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one doesn’t reach 10 Trillion Dollar by being mellow to west, not sure why this concept has homed into many Indians.

To become mammoth economy one needs to be ruthless, one needs to be assertive one needs to be proactive.

These openly public meddling by west to save its rats inside and outside India needs to be dealt with iron hand.

India is growing because of our own potential we are not growing due to largesse of west.

India is growing due to its own set up fuelled by quick policy implementations, large investments in Infrastructure, open arms to investments not by US or west govt largesses.

No one is going to invest their money into you if they dont see a good ROI, its simple fundamental economics.

West can today arrest our officials on made up charges they can do it tmmrw also, India needs to make sure there is some cost somewhere that these west political elite pays only way to stop them not being mellow.

Wrong thinking…

Our motto should be “Bhay Bin Na Ho Priti”
Thats what our ancient Bharat tells us
This ruthless approach was adopted by Indira Gandhi for 15 years and ended up with 3% growth rate. Nothing has ever been approached by being aggressive. India has differed enough with the West on Ukraine war and Russian oil purchases. No more tangling with them is needed. The point is that India needed 10% growth and that has to be achieved by hand shake.

I do agree with ‘Blademaster’ view that India is waiting for its time and opportunity to strike back. That should happen post elections in India. First to strike back will be Canada.
 

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